Boris Johnson as Prime Minister thread

[walrus]

The most far right Party in the nation’s modern history just seized power through a campaign of lies and misinformation. To do this it evaded scrutiny, spent millions of foreign money on deception, and suppressed information. If you voted for that don't you dare ever claim to be a patriot. You are the absolute opposite.

Don't blame the people that voted, blame the party that made itself unvotable.

The people who are stuck on the far left really don't understand democracy do they

Leave wins - let's protest
Labour loses - let's protest

If the Brexiteers lost and then went out protesting then they would be labelled as mindless racist thugs.

If labour won all of their usual strongholds and people went out protesting then they would be labelled as mindless racist thugs.

All the gnashing of teeth isn't going to change anything, I don't like or trust Bozza but he has said that he is going to do his best for the people that loaned him their vote and (unfortunately I was one of those people) and now I've gotta sit tight and wait and see if he is a man of his word (Which I very much doubt)

Beans I think that to say that anyone who voted against Labour is unpatriotic is a bit narrow minded, everyone is entitled to vote for whoever they want for whatever reasons, you might not agree with their reasons but to chuck insults around is a little childish.

I am sure their are millions of people who voted with the very best of intentions. It is also true though that they voted on the basis of a massive pack of outright lies in many cases, and this seems to be being very conveniently buried and forgotten.

There are two separate issues though.

I can understand why many would have voted for Brexit. I have always said you can make a very strong case, even as someone on the left (far left even) for Brexit. One of my brothers voted for Brexit , my step-son voted for Brexit , Master voted for Brexit, but weirdly because I voted, after much soul searching, 'Remain' I have had to put up with years here of being called unpatriotic and undemocratic. Mainly, ironically, by Americans who struggle to know the difference between the UK , England , Scotland and Wales.

In the referendum I voted with England and the UK'S best interest at heart and what would be best for my family and the generations to come. I did the same thing in the General Election, but with the crucial difference that the most important thing was removing a party that is full of bad actors and has already begun selling the United Kingdom off. Not just our assets, like Nuclear to the Chinese and French the NHS and healthcare to corporations like Virgin and ATOS (how unpatriotic is that?), but much of our cultural and traditional heritage as well as showing scant disregard for the environment and one of the things that defines us as a nation, small businesses.


The Tories have made it clear everything is for sale. To be complicit in voting for that is utterly unpatriotic.


They have shown disrespect for all the things supposed Patriots are supposed to venerate - The Sovereignty of Parliament and the The Rule of Law.

The shrinking of the state through Austerity is deeply, deeply unpatriotic. I do not say these things lightly. Patriotism (pride in country) is massively compromised when you shrink and sell of the public services that make it great. It betrays the country and it's people.

Patriotism is not hating the EU. That is an American religion. Fuck that. Patriotism for us Brits is about celebrating and being proud of what we have created together as a nation. Galleries, Parks, Schools, Hospitals, etc not selling them off and closing them en masse.


If people really could not vote for labour there were plenty of alternatives, including 'None of the above',but many former Labour supporters did vote Tory, and so they willingly acted against the best interest of the UK. Just because it was 'To Get Brexit Done' does not instantly absolve them of responsibility and make them patriots.

I am sure many were and continue to be ignorant but to claim because they wave a foreign made flag like the American equivalent, that they are patriotic is just not true.

Nah don’t try to clean it up beanz you are right, anyone who voted differently from you is unpatriotic.

[Beanz]

The most far right Party in the nation’s modern history just seized power through a campaign of lies and misinformation. To do this it evaded scrutiny, spent millions of foreign money on deception, and suppressed information. If you voted for that don't you dare ever claim to be a patriot. You are the absolute opposite.

Don't blame the people that voted, blame the party that made itself unvotable.

The people who are stuck on the far left really don't understand democracy do they

Leave wins - let's protest
Labour loses - let's protest

If the Brexiteers lost and then went out protesting then they would be labelled as mindless racist thugs.

If labour won all of their usual strongholds and people went out protesting then they would be labelled as mindless racist thugs.

All the gnashing of teeth isn't going to change anything, I don't like or trust Bozza but he has said that he is going to do his best for the people that loaned him their vote and (unfortunately I was one of those people) and now I've gotta sit tight and wait and see if he is a man of his word (Which I very much doubt)

Beans I think that to say that anyone who voted against Labour is unpatriotic is a bit narrow minded, everyone is entitled to vote for whoever they want for whatever reasons, you might not agree with their reasons but to chuck insults around is a little childish.

I am sure their are millions of people who voted with the very best of intentions. It is also true though that they voted on the basis of a massive pack of outright lies in many cases, and this seems to be being very conveniently buried and forgotten.

There are two separate issues though.

I can understand why many would have voted for Brexit. I have always said you can make a very strong case, even as someone on the left (far left even) for Brexit. One of my brothers voted for Brexit , my step-son voted for Brexit , Master voted for Brexit, but weirdly because I voted, after much soul searching, 'Remain' I have had to put up with years here of being called unpatriotic and undemocratic. Mainly, ironically, by Americans who struggle to know the difference between the UK , England , Scotland and Wales.

In the referendum I voted with England and the UK'S best interest at heart and what would be best for my family and the generations to come. I did the same thing in the General Election, but with the crucial difference that the most important thing was removing a party that is full of bad actors and has already begun selling the United Kingdom off. Not just our assets, like Nuclear to the Chinese and French the NHS and healthcare to corporations like Virgin and ATOS (how unpatriotic is that?), but much of our cultural and traditional heritage as well as showing scant disregard for the environment and one of the things that defines us as a nation, small businesses.


The Tories have made it clear everything is for sale. To be complicit in voting for that is utterly unpatriotic.


They have shown disrespect for all the things supposed Patriots are supposed to venerate - The Sovereignty of Parliament and the The Rule of Law.

The shrinking of the state through Austerity is deeply, deeply unpatriotic. I do not say these things lightly. Patriotism (pride in country) is massively compromised when you shrink and sell of the public services that make it great. It betrays the country and it's people.

Patriotism is not hating the EU. That is an American religion. Fuck that. Patriotism for us Brits is about celebrating and being proud of what we have created together as a nation. Galleries, Parks, Schools, Hospitals, etc not selling them off and closing them en masse.


If people really could not vote for labour there were plenty of alternatives, including 'None of the above',but many former Labour supporters did vote Tory, and so they willingly acted against the best interest of the UK. Just because it was 'To Get Brexit Done' does not instantly absolve them of responsibility and make them patriots.

I am sure many were and continue to be ignorant but to claim because they wave a foreign made flag like the American equivalent, that they are patriotic is just not true.

Nah don’t try to clean it up beanz you are right, anyone who voted differently from you is unpatriotic.

Who asked you anything? Got your Taiwanese made MAGA cap and plastic flag ready for when Trump starts bidding for our nations soul yet? Prick

[walrus]

The most far right Party in the nation’s modern history just seized power through a campaign of lies and misinformation. To do this it evaded scrutiny, spent millions of foreign money on deception, and suppressed information. If you voted for that don't you dare ever claim to be a patriot. You are the absolute opposite.

Don't blame the people that voted, blame the party that made itself unvotable.

The people who are stuck on the far left really don't understand democracy do they

Leave wins - let's protest
Labour loses - let's protest

If the Brexiteers lost and then went out protesting then they would be labelled as mindless racist thugs.

If labour won all of their usual strongholds and people went out protesting then they would be labelled as mindless racist thugs.

All the gnashing of teeth isn't going to change anything, I don't like or trust Bozza but he has said that he is going to do his best for the people that loaned him their vote and (unfortunately I was one of those people) and now I've gotta sit tight and wait and see if he is a man of his word (Which I very much doubt)

Beans I think that to say that anyone who voted against Labour is unpatriotic is a bit narrow minded, everyone is entitled to vote for whoever they want for whatever reasons, you might not agree with their reasons but to chuck insults around is a little childish.

I am sure their are millions of people who voted with the very best of intentions. It is also true though that they voted on the basis of a massive pack of outright lies in many cases, and this seems to be being very conveniently buried and forgotten.

There are two separate issues though.

I can understand why many would have voted for Brexit. I have always said you can make a very strong case, even as someone on the left (far left even) for Brexit. One of my brothers voted for Brexit , my step-son voted for Brexit , Master voted for Brexit, but weirdly because I voted, after much soul searching, 'Remain' I have had to put up with years here of being called unpatriotic and undemocratic. Mainly, ironically, by Americans who struggle to know the difference between the UK , England , Scotland and Wales.

In the referendum I voted with England and the UK'S best interest at heart and what would be best for my family and the generations to come. I did the same thing in the General Election, but with the crucial difference that the most important thing was removing a party that is full of bad actors and has already begun selling the United Kingdom off. Not just our assets, like Nuclear to the Chinese and French the NHS and healthcare to corporations like Virgin and ATOS (how unpatriotic is that?), but much of our cultural and traditional heritage as well as showing scant disregard for the environment and one of the things that defines us as a nation, small businesses.


The Tories have made it clear everything is for sale. To be complicit in voting for that is utterly unpatriotic.


They have shown disrespect for all the things supposed Patriots are supposed to venerate - The Sovereignty of Parliament and the The Rule of Law.

The shrinking of the state through Austerity is deeply, deeply unpatriotic. I do not say these things lightly. Patriotism (pride in country) is massively compromised when you shrink and sell of the public services that make it great. It betrays the country and it's people.

Patriotism is not hating the EU. That is an American religion. Fuck that. Patriotism for us Brits is about celebrating and being proud of what we have created together as a nation. Galleries, Parks, Schools, Hospitals, etc not selling them off and closing them en masse.


If people really could not vote for labour there were plenty of alternatives, including 'None of the above',but many former Labour supporters did vote Tory, and so they willingly acted against the best interest of the UK. Just because it was 'To Get Brexit Done' does not instantly absolve them of responsibility and make them patriots.

I am sure many were and continue to be ignorant but to claim because they wave a foreign made flag like the American equivalent, that they are patriotic is just not true.

Nah don’t try to clean it up beanz you are right, anyone who voted differently from you is unpatriotic.

Who asked you anything? Got your Taiwanese made MAGA cap and plastic flag ready for when Trump starts bidding for our nations soul yet? Prick

Wait, the most patriotic guy in England just mentioned Trump, that was a joke right. I can’t keep up with beanerbabies declarations

[TitoFan]

C'mon guys...... stop sniping at each other.

After all...........................


https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...ionship-083732

"Boris and Donald: A very special relationship"



It's the continuation of a bea-u-ti-fool friendship.

It's win-win, guys. Trump can now point to Boris and say See?? I'm not the only world leader that acts like a buffoon. We're the "new normal."

[walrus]

C'mon guys...... stop sniping at each other.

After all...........................


https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...ionship-083732

"Boris and Donald: A very special relationship"



It's the continuation of a bea-u-ti-fool friendship.

It's win-win, guys. Trump can now point to Boris and say See?? I'm not the only world leader that acts like a buffoon. We're the "new normal."

Tits stop trying to shit stir if I was truly sniping beanerbaby would be gone. I am here to congratulate my friends across the pond on Boris winning as I predicted early on he would.

[TitoFan]

C'mon Wally..... don't tell me this doesn't bring a tear to your eye.


"Much has been made of Trump and Johnson’s superficial similarities: Both have flamboyant blond hairstyles, rail against political correctness, are slippery with the truth, sound populist themes, and are willing to buck the establishment for political gain — in Johnson’s case, for instance, he broke with his party's leaders to back Brexit."

[X]

Ironically enough ..... Corbyn is a confirmed ideologue, who hasn't changed his world view for over 30 years. As a PM, I think he would have been really inflexible and not capable of compromise.

Whereas, for Boris Johnson, everything is about Boris Johnson and him staying in power. I'm not convinced he has a genuinely held ideology so I think he will be much more flexible and willing to compromise to others' beliefs.

Maybe, anyway?

[TitoFan]

Ironically enough ..... Corbyn is a confirmed ideologue, who hasn't changed his world view for over 30 years. As a PM, I think he would have been really inflexible and not capable of compromise.

Whereas, for Boris Johnson, everything is about Boris Johnson and him staying in power. I'm not convinced he has a genuinely held ideology so I think he will be much more flexible and willing to compromise to others' beliefs.

Maybe, anyway?

Good point, X.

[Beanz]

Ironically enough ..... Corbyn is a confirmed ideologue, who hasn't changed his world view for over 30 years. As a PM, I think he would have been really inflexible and not capable of compromise.

Whereas, for Boris Johnson, everything is about Boris Johnson and him staying in power. I'm not convinced he has a genuinely held ideology so I think he will be much more flexible and willing to compromise to others' beliefs.

Maybe, anyway?

Which will be disastrous for us when Trump starts turning the thumb screws. Boris will fold. Flatter Boris. Boris will fold. Bribe Boris, Boris will fold. Show Boris some blonde bird with big boobs? Boris will fold. Trump is probably liking his lips in anticipation. Boris has already proved to have no idea what life is like for the majority of people he is supposed to represent. He could tell the price of a bottle of champagne but not of a bottle of milk. He does have an ideology and that is one of believing that gross and extreme wealth and power inequality is natural. It is why he could set fire to ten pound notes and throw them at the homeless and not feel even a twinge of guilt. It is why he has already said feels for the bankers that the general public bailed out after the crash.

Already today day two of his leadership Grieves has started talking about private health insurance and a Tory MP and his wife have set up a foodbank app they are charging foodbank donators and others to use. It is an insane level of cruelty and selfishness that he will usher in because that is what he was brought up to believe. Look at his old man saying let the Irish shoot each other and making excuses for his adult son who is PM not turning up for a TV interview. He has installed a foreign spy as home secretary and a tax avoiding ex-banker as the chancellor. He either has no judgment, just does not give a fuck and just wants to surround himself with sychophants or he is genuinely a bit of an evil bastard. A bit of all three probably.

Never mind though at least he will be a bit of a hoot if you are English and white upper class




...shit that is hardly anyone here..if anyone.... and not a lot more in the UK.


Almost sounds like he is one of the Elite.


He is not even British.


Crazy times.

[ykdadamaja]

Ironically enough ..... Corbyn is a confirmed ideologue, who hasn't changed his world view for over 30 years. As a PM, I think he would have been really inflexible and not capable of compromise.

Whereas, for Boris Johnson, everything is about Boris Johnson and him staying in power. I'm not convinced he has a genuinely held ideology so I think he will be much more flexible and willing to compromise to others' beliefs.

Maybe, anyway?

Great point. Corbyn had no real ideas or plan on BREXIT. That was obvious. lololol..... bullshitter.

[Fatboxingfan]

from my view across the channel with my very limited knowledge a British politics I feel that Labour can triumph again, but only if it skips the wild arrogance of the Thatcher years.
Young people/socialists of today should NOT wait until 2030 to win a general election. Compromising with voters is their only hope. This time please (holy fuck!) don’t say the RMT can run the trains, don’t bother trying to nationalize 10 per cent of every goddamn motherfucking thing that moves FFS. They fucked up royally bcuz IMHO Labour was either going to lose the "Leave" North or the "remain" South. Imbecile Corbyn tried to win both and lost both. WTF

And if you want to come back from this thumping defeat then dammit support your traditional institutions: the monarchy and the armed forces.

Get the fuck on with winning before you totally forget how.

[Beanz]

from my view across the channel with my very limited knowledge a British politics I feel that Labour can triumph again, but only if it skips the wild arrogance of the Thatcher years.
Young people/socialists of today should NOT wait until 2030 to win a general election. Compromising with voters is their only hope. This time please (holy fuck!) don’t say the RMT can run the trains, don’t bother trying to nationalize 10 per cent of every goddamn motherfucking thing that moves FFS. They fucked up royally bcuz IMHO Labour was either going to lose the "Leave" North or the "remain" South. Imbecile Corbyn tried to win both and lost both. WTF

And if you want to come back from this thumping defeat then dammit support your traditional institutions: the monarchy and the armed forces.

Get the fuck on with winning before you totally forget how.

None of this post makes any sense whatsoever. Young people 18-35 overwhelmingly voted for Labour, Old people 55-99 overwhlemingly voted for the Conservatives. Those inbetween were much more split. There is loads more there to unpick

[Fatboxingfan]

from my view across the channel with my very limited knowledge a British politics I feel that Labour can triumph again, but only if it skips the wild arrogance of the Thatcher years.
Young people/socialists of today should NOT wait until 2030 to win a general election. Compromising with voters is their only hope. This time please (holy fuck!) don’t say the RMT can run the trains, don’t bother trying to nationalize 10 per cent of every goddamn motherfucking thing that moves FFS. They fucked up royally bcuz IMHO Labour was either going to lose the "Leave" North or the "remain" South. Imbecile Corbyn tried to win both and lost both. WTF

And if you want to come back from this thumping defeat then dammit support your traditional institutions: the monarchy and the armed forces.

Get the fuck on with winning before you totally forget how.

None of this post makes any sense whatsoever. Young people 18-35 overwhelmingly voted for Labour, Old people 55-99 overwhlemingly voted for the Conservatives. Those inbetween were much more split. There is loads more there to unpick

I'm just trying to figure out a way for them to win next time

[Master]

from my view across the channel with my very limited knowledge a British politics I feel that Labour can triumph again, but only if it skips the wild arrogance of the Thatcher years.
Young people/socialists of today should NOT wait until 2030 to win a general election. Compromising with voters is their only hope. This time please (holy fuck!) don’t say the RMT can run the trains, don’t bother trying to nationalize 10 per cent of every goddamn motherfucking thing that moves FFS. They fucked up royally bcuz IMHO Labour was either going to lose the "Leave" North or the "remain" South. Imbecile Corbyn tried to win both and lost both. WTF

And if you want to come back from this thumping defeat then dammit support your traditional institutions: the monarchy and the armed forces.

Get the fuck on with winning before you totally forget how.

None of this post makes any sense whatsoever. Young people 18-35 overwhelmingly voted for Labour, Old people 55-99 overwhlemingly voted for the Conservatives. Those inbetween were much more split. There is loads more there to unpick

I'm just trying to figure out a way for them to win next time

Try and learn English first.

Labour do not need your help.

[Fatboxingfan]

from my view across the channel with my very limited knowledge a British politics I feel that Labour can triumph again, but only if it skips the wild arrogance of the Thatcher years.
Young people/socialists of today should NOT wait until 2030 to win a general election. Compromising with voters is their only hope. This time please (holy fuck!) don’t say the RMT can run the trains, don’t bother trying to nationalize 10 per cent of every goddamn motherfucking thing that moves FFS. They fucked up royally bcuz IMHO Labour was either going to lose the "Leave" North or the "remain" South. Imbecile Corbyn tried to win both and lost both. WTF

And if you want to come back from this thumping defeat then dammit support your traditional institutions: the monarchy and the armed forces.

Get the fuck on with winning before you totally forget how.

None of this post makes any sense whatsoever. Young people 18-35 overwhelmingly voted for Labour, Old people 55-99 overwhlemingly voted for the Conservatives. Those inbetween were much more split. There is loads more there to unpick

I'm just trying to figure out a way for them to win next time

Try and learn English first.

Labour do not need your help.

Learn English? I don't get it