Is it wrong to decry the decline of world leadership quality?

[walrus]

Want to know the REAL trouble....JFK was a Democrat back then. Today where would someone with his views fit?

Definitely. He was a bit conservative with taxes, got rid of the 90% rate, strong on military, literally thinking of launching the bomb figuring we would lose 30% or so of the US but wipe out Russia

[TitoFan]

Want to know the REAL trouble....JFK was a Democrat back then. Today where would someone with his views fit?

Definitely. He was a bit conservative with taxes, got rid of the 90% rate, strong on military, literally thinking of launching the bomb figuring we would lose 30% or so of the US but wipe out Russia

Precisely what he DIDN'T do though did he.

Regardless of the unbearable pressures being put on him by the hawkish U.S. military leaders of the time.

But go ahead and put him down, if it helps prop up the human trash bin that inhabits the White House today.

[Fatboxingfan]

well the word wrong really is a subjective call and you are talking about morals and people's standards which vary according to the individual. So there's nothing wrong per se with decrying etc

and remember it's not just world leadership it is humanity in general that is declining and because the world leaders are chosen from the pool of humanity they will be reflecting that same phenomenon

also these days with technology everywhere and information coming at us from all sides 24/7 it is more understandable that people are on a hair trigger with fighting back and retaliating because if something goes viral these days even if it's wrong or fake it can completely destroy you so people are more on a hair trigger and people are much more overly defensive because the stakes are a lot higher

If there's anything wrong about it I can't think of it to answer your question

[Fatboxingfan]

but the exact same thing can be said of music as well when you go back and watch a music video of Jimi Hendrix and then you watch a music video from 2019 it also feels like you have been transported back to a different world where everything was a very much higher character and quality

[TitoFan]

well the word wrong really is a subjective call and you are talking about morals and people's standards which vary according to the individual. So there's nothing wrong per se with decrying etc

and remember it's not just world leadership it is humanity in general that is declining and because the world leaders are chosen from the pool of humanity they will be reflecting that same phenomenon

also these days with technology everywhere and information coming at us from all sides 24/7 it is more understandable that people are on a hair trigger with fighting back and retaliating because if something goes viral these days even if it's wrong or fake it can completely destroy you so people are more on a hair trigger and people are much more overly defensive because the stakes are a lot higher

If there's anything wrong about it I can't think of it to answer your question

This is something nobody would outwardly agree to... but worth some consideration. The information overload problem coupled with the social media explosion... yeah... it should probably be thrown into the equation also.

Feels somehow dirty to think that "humanity in general is declining", as you say. But the truth is that people with an ironclad word and honor seem more rare nowadays than the dodo.

I still balk at the idea that we have to SETTLE (caps on purpose) for whatever we drag from the bottom of the barrel, but what the hell...........

[Fatboxingfan]

Think back on the classical days of classical oratory. The Roman senators the Greek sophists think back on the Renaissance the people of letters the great men and women of scholarliness. We definitely do not have any more of that that is for sure

[TitoFan]

Think back on the classical days of classical oratory. The Roman senators the Greek sophists think back on the Renaissance the people of letters the great men and women of scholarliness. We definitely do not have any more of that that is for sure

We don't need to go back that far though, bro.

I'd settle for someone with diction, vocabulary and speaking skills a tad higher than the town drunk.

[Fatboxingfan]

Think back on the classical days of classical oratory. The Roman senators the Greek sophists think back on the Renaissance the people of letters the great men and women of scholarliness. We definitely do not have any more of that that is for sure

@TitoFan Trump couldn't carry their jockstraps.... But then again, neither could Obama or PELOSI or Bush, none of whom could do a 2-hour impromptu speech without a cunt teleprompter.

[TitoFan]

Think back on the classical days of classical oratory. The Roman senators the Greek sophists think back on the Renaissance the people of letters the great men and women of scholarliness. We definitely do not have any more of that that is for sure

@TitoFan Trump couldn't carry their jockstraps

Second correct thing you've said on this thread. You're on a roll bro.

Only thing I'd add is there is a conga line of past POTUSes whose jocks Trump wouldn't be able to carry.

The man is a clown with limited speaking skills, and the personality of a chubby, 5th grade bully.

Fuck Trump.

[El Kabong]

Want to know the REAL trouble....JFK was a Democrat back then. Today where would someone with his views fit?

Definitely. He was a bit conservative with taxes, got rid of the 90% rate, strong on military, literally thinking of launching the bomb figuring we would lose 30% or so of the US but wipe out Russia

Precisely what he DIDN'T do though did he.

Regardless of the unbearable pressures being put on him by the hawkish U.S. military leaders of the time.

But go ahead and put him down, if it helps prop up the human trash bin that inhabits the White House today.

Quite true. Now look at Trump, sure he's talked of bombing places and what not, but what has he DONE? Peace in Korea...who expected that? Working to bring the "endless wars" to a close, allowing our troops to demolish ISIS so that our service members can come home.

Think of the pressures on Trump regarding Syria. People calling him a Russian asset for NOT getting stuck in over there....yet he quite bravely kept us out of that hornets nest despite the peer pressure.


Sure he is a bit large at times....he's Donald Fucking Trump, he's been that way his whole life. Lots of characters were larger than life, JFK and Marilyn anyone? Reagan and "the bombing begins in 5 minutes"? Churchill and when the lady said she'd poison him he responded "if you were my wife I'd drink it" ...... have a bit of a laugh.

[Beanz]

Bravely? (:

[El Kabong]

Bravely? (:

Yes actually.

[Gandalf]

Probably wrong. In the words of Byrne 'Same as it ever was'. From Kennedy, to Nixon, to Clinton, to Bush and beyond.

Kennedy was a junky sermingly with a chronic sex addiction. Charming on the surface, but pretty messed up.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/jfk-...de-pornography

[TitoFan]

Probably wrong. In the words of Byrne 'Same as it ever was'. From Kennedy, to Nixon, to Clinton, to Bush and beyond.

Kennedy was a junky sermingly with a chronic sex addiction. Charming on the surface, but pretty messed up.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/jfk-...de-pornography

I couldn't give less of a shit about his sexual exploits. Fact of the matter was he conducted himself like the fucking President of the United States well enough where you didn't feel embarrassed telling others that he was the President of your country.

That the bar has been lowered to Earth core levels remains a sad commentary on humanity.

[walrus]

Want to know the REAL trouble....JFK was a Democrat back then. Today where would someone with his views fit?

Definitely. He was a bit conservative with taxes, got rid of the 90% rate, strong on military, literally thinking of launching the bomb figuring we would lose 30% or so of the US but wipe out Russia

Precisely what he DIDN'T do though did he.

Regardless of the unbearable pressures being put on him by the hawkish U.S. military leaders of the time.

But go ahead and put him down, if it helps prop up the human trash bin that inhabits the White House today.

Dude I don’t know why you took that as putting him down. It was just a historical fact that he was ready and considered doing it. Kennedy has been judged rather saintly because of the bullet. Had he served out his term history may not have been so kind. He made bad calls and did stupid shit like all other presidents plus the fiasco of corrupting the vote would have been more in the front than it was.