Canelo’s short list

[TIC]

I completely understand that p4p is subjective. The problem is that there is obviously a point to where you would find someone who doesn’t have knowledge of the sport. For example, if I said that Andy Ruiz was #1 p4p and his whole team said the same thing, you would just assume it was all biased and wouldn’t take it seriously.

That was my point. Certain lists you can’t take seriously for one reason or another. If you can’t see that then I don’t know what to tell you.

i fully understand that some lists can't be taken seriously. the point i was making is there are knowledgable people around boxing that consider canelo number one p4p. having andy ruiz at number one, i think we both would agree would be ridiculous, but a case can be made for canelo. from the second ggg fight he has been nothing but marvelous

I’ve already made my point multiple times and you still aren’t getting it so I won’t state it again.

My biggest argument against Canelo though is that if GGG would have gotten both decisions (which majority of people had him winning both fights) would any list have him at #1? The answer is no. People can only put him at #1 because he got gifted a draw in the first fight and was fortunate to get the win in the second one. Weight rankings and mandatories are one thing since they are more official rankings. Since p4p is just opinion on who is the best, then I think we should throw out official scoring and base it off of what actually happens in the ring.

you are not getting my point, i answered your question with examples, just because you don't like the examples doesn't mean they don't exist or are less relevant than your opinion. i thought canelo won the second fight. i put him at number one because i had him beating ggg at his own game in the second fight, destroyed fielding who holds a win over ryder, clearly beat jacobs, and jumped two weight divisions to knockout a titleholder at lightheavyweight

That all looks good on paper 100 years from now they may consider Canelo a ATG who was misunderstood but we all know truth. Notice you did not mention the first triple G fight with Canelo so I take that you accept he lost that but got a draw?

A closer 2nd fight true but still lost in my eyes, You know the hand picked "destroying" of Rocky Fielding (who Callum Smith truly destroyed in 1 round) was very opportunistic and whilst stopping Kov was impressive that was another champion that was carefully selected too.

Normally jumping around weight's and beating champions is a mark of a pound for pound champion. It should be applauded but when you can clearly see that it is avoiding even better fights then you need to question Canelo's motives.

I thought canelo lost the first ggg fight. i had ggg rated very high after that fight. i said from the second ggg canelo he has been nothing but marvelous. i don't think a fighter needs to be undefeated to be top of the list. i thought he beat ggg in the second go round. he also defeated jacobs much clearer than both ggg and sergei d did. say whay you want about kovalev but i don't see any other middleweights eager to jump two divisions to face him even now. canelo is not a lightheavyweight, if you are going to criticize him for not facing the best lightheavyweights, then all the other supermiddleweights and middleweights should be held to the same standard. a case could be made for any of the top five guys to be number one and a few of them have struggled recently. p4p is only for fun

[Master]

Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez open to crossover bout vs. Jorge Masvidal

Saul "Canelo" Alvarez would be open to the possibility of boxing against UFC star Jorge Masvidal in a blockbuster crossover bout.

Four-weight world champion Canelo was called out by Masvidal after "Gamebred" defeated Nate Diaz at UFC 244 early in November.

After initially rebuffing the call-out, Canelo was more open to the suggestion when presented the idea by TMZ.



"For business? Why not," he replied when asked about fighting Masvidal, who has seen his stock rise in MMA circles after notable wins over Darren Till, Ben Askren and Diaz in 2019.

Pressed if it could be his next fight, Canelo replied simply: "We'll see, we'll see."

Alvarez, who defeated Sergey Kovalev on the same night as Masvidal beat Diaz, also reiterated his desire for a rematch with Floyd Mayweather Jr. The Mexican was comfortably defeated via majority decision — with one judge controversially scoring the fight a draw — in September 2013.

Canelo is sure of a different outcome should the two mix it up again, though the 29-year-old doubts the fight will be made.

"It's a fight I'd definitely like. It's a different time now, I was very young and inexperienced at the time," Alvarez added. "I'm a different fighter. It'd be a totally different result. But I don't think it will happen."

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/sau...002441692.html

[palmerq]

Bloody ell, a fight v masvidal would be rubbish, it'd be far more interesting if he fought logan and Jake paul....

[powerpuncher]

Mayweather at least made sense to fight Mcgregor. His career was already over and it was more of a spectacle. So now that we have seen the boxing vs mma in a boxing match, we don’t need to see it again. Especially against a prime fighter like Canelo. He already signed a huge contract with DAZN so I don’t get what this fight would do for him.

Unless somehow he can make the fight outside of his DAZN contract and it’s just extra money in his pocket.

[Spicoli]

It honestly sounds like he's running out of ideas or something. Fans with basic desire talk about a real super fight unification with optional opponents, Bivol Beterbiev or dip to 168 Benavidez Smith etc and he's over there talking about circus shows and fantasy lottery wins with Mayweather which has all the chance of a snowball flying in Arizona. Yes..a fighter fights to make money but ffs make it actually relevant.

[TitoFan]

It honestly sounds like he's running out of ideas or something. Fans with basic desire talk about a real super fight unification with optional opponents, Bivol Beterbiev or dip to 168 Benavidez Smith etc and he's over there talking about circus shows and fantasy lottery wins with Mayweather which has all the chance of a snowball flying in Arizona. Yes..a fighter fights to make money but ffs make it actually relevant.

We all know what it's all about, bro. People are shy to just come out and say it..... but if it was just any Joe Blow picking and choosing his way through boxing divisions and then talking about UFC circus shows while still in his prime and PLENTY of boxing opposition out there to be had, well...... how do you think Joe Blow would fare? Both in the public eye and by the boxing orgs. He'd be drawn and quartered and threatened with taking away his belts if he didn't start fighting all comers. But it's NOT Joe Blow. Royalty has its privileges.