Orthodox Jews murdered by 2 Black Hebrew Israelites in Jersey City NJ

[Gandalf]

I suggest you are dumb Denilson because group IQ differences do not mean that 'black people are dumb'. That is simplistic and untrue, but a stupid person would take it that way. Of course there are many tremendously smart black people and I have worked with some of them. It just means differences are at work in groups not helped by how kids are raised which leads into issues of broken families. Poor white kids are struggling today in British schools. I sense it is for similar reasons..

Will you just man the fuck up for once is your life.

"Well, ya know, not all blk ppl are dumb, there are some smart ones, but most are dumb or dumber than other races hey look, it's not racist, just facts, i mean cmon...Asian are smart....so ya know that my get out of jail card, they're not as smart as us white"

The old fking pathetic scared ass reasoning I've heard millions of times from white ppl.

Ok. Gandalf. Your correct. Since you want so desperately to be smarter than blk ppl.

Your smarter than me. Right ?

You have all that superior whites genes which makes your brain bigger and the all the circuitry connect.

Have you had your little ego boost ? Have I given you your white ego massage ?
Have I raised your self esteem high enough ?

Are you gonna stop crying now ?

You're the man. I can't compete with you white man.

Now what should be done with these black ppl who you claim to be dumb ?

Now don't scared or wimp out "well ya know, sum blk ppl are smart , but erm on av...)

You have proven my point completely. You are a one trick pony, Dennis. Do you actually have a point to make?

You complain and ask me what should we do with black people and I argue that you either don't have kids if you know you cannot choose a good partner or handle it or else choose a good partner, raise your child with love, nurture and values and hopefully things will work out better.

The chip on the shoulder you have going on is not being able to man up. I am being a man Dennis. I am not blaming any other racial group for my own poor life decisions. Be a better person, accept that people are different, and accept that it is choices that lead to outcomes.

I view Candace Owens as a smart black person. She gets it. You don't. You haven't grown up yet. There is still time.

Are white people superior to black people?

Or are blk ppl superior to white ppl ?

Superior?

I don't really think in those terms, but are there general differences between races, countries, genders, etc, then of course there are. However, I do not think in terms of superiority or control over the other.

Are there differences in intelligence between races?

The evidence compiled in the scientific literature by smarter men than I would suggest that is the case. Does that imply superiority? I don't see it like that due to variables and how I think. I know my cat has a lower IQ than me, but I do not consider myself superior. We just are.

There are incredibly smart black people and incredibly stupid Asian people, there are too many variables at work to just say a race is superior to another race and that is not how I think. However, I look at data and think it is a useful tool to understand why some people in some groups might behave as they do. It isn't white people holding everyone down otherwise Asians would be running the world if it was all about IQ, though Asians do perform better than other groups in even Western societies, but some will obviously not do well at all.

It is complicated and if there are obvious flaws like broken families, nutritional deprivation, bad role models etc, then it is something that can be fixed and improved on and thus lead to better outcomes. Genetics is likely a factor, sure. But you don't need a high IQ to choose a good partner, hold down a job and raise a kid with nurture and love. Those things come from self responsibility and having decency in you and it is not about superiority of intelligence, but just making better decisions.

The white man blame game is a lame game. It is you denying agency for black people and that is terribly racist. I argue that many do have agency and that many could certainly work on that agency and I apply it to all races.

I'll ask question. Are whites superior to blacks ?

And u could not answer.

I rest my case.

Some yes and some no and depending on what you are measuring. Eyesight, IQ, height, beauty, verbal skills. It is an impossible question unless you are to ask me what we are measuring and in most cases it would be yes and no due to individual differentials.

Are white ppl more intelligent than black ppl ?

I have answered this question.

Ok. In that case. We agree then. Bcoz reading bk at what you said is that some whites r more intelligent than blks and vice versa.

Who would disagree with that ?

No one.

I have said that the science tells us that there are group differences. There is no denial of that, the only questions are why and to what extent. Obviously there will be many black people with IQ's way above average and Asians well bellow average, but the trend is that overall Asians have higher IQ's than Caucasians and in turn they have higher IQ's than blacks. It has nothing to do with superiority. There are a lot of research papers written on this topic. Here is one easily searched. Have a read, look at the research it references, counter it with different research if you like. There is reams of literature on this subject which is frankly controversial because it upsets people. You have this thing with racism and superiority whilst I frankly don't get upset by any of it and have to live in a country where the average IQ is higher than my own. Oh the horror.

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfreds...sen30years.pdf

[Gandalf]

Well, when I say the average IQ is 'higher than my own' I do not mean my own individual IQ. What I mean is the IQ of my race or even my country. My own IQ is individual and not around 100 which is average. I am an individual and you cannot judge me on the group data and that is one of the points I was making.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

I have said that the science tells us that there are group differences. There is no denial of that, the only questions are why and to what extent. Obviously there will be many black people with IQ's way above average and Asians well bellow average, but the trend is that overall Asians have higher IQ's than Caucasians and in turn they have higher IQ's than blacks. It has nothing to do with superiority.

So let me get this straight.

You're saying that the science tell us that white and Asian people are intellectually superior to black people but then you say that this has nothing to do with the intellectual superiority of white n Asian people have over black people.



If you can’t see the irony embedded in your remarks then you’re probably not prepared to enter a dialogue about much of anything.

I've said this before

What I can not understand is this : Why can’t you be just a racist ? Why do you need these pseudos scientifical explanations? What is wrong with racism? You do promote it, so why be a shame of it?

Just say “N****S are stupid.”? And be done.

That's mystery to me.

It's like in the bell curve were they basically suggests that we might as well stop making progress in further research for finding the true factors and blindly accept them as a natural law.

Like you they think they have found the ultimate explanation of everything and any other research can halt now. But then, at the same time, they take a nostalgic look backwards to philosophies of long gone centuries where the unwashed masses of dumb sheep are at the mercy of an elite. An elite who alone have the power to choose when they are generous and when they are punitive.

There are a lot of research papers written on this topic. Here is one easily searched. Have a read, look at the research it references, counter it with different research if you like. There is reams of literature on this subject which is frankly controversial because it upsets people. You have this thing with racism and superiority whilst I frankly don't get upset by any of it and have to live in a country where the average IQ is higher than my own. Oh the horror. https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfreds...sen30years.pdf

That "science" paper in the above link (for some reason the link isn't working now) were written by Phillip Rushton and Arthur Jensen. Both of whom are dead I may add.

Dr. Phillipe Rushton was exposed as a fraud and racist. So try again.

Like other racists with an agenda, he has expounded upon the innate inferiority of blacks in particular. He is also another weirdo obsessed with black men's genitals and ‘high’ testosterone’ levels. This is the man who in 1988, conducted a survey at the Eaton Center (Canada) in Toronto where 50 whites, 50 blacks, and 50 Asians were paid to answer questions about their sexual habits. He asked their genital size and how far they could ejaculate and then he just couched it in jargon and academic terms.

It boils down to men’s sexuality and their feelings of inferiority.

"Asian men are the smartest, hence they have the smallest peckers. The white men are next, but have slightly bigger peckers than the smartest Asians. They're just right! The blacks have the biggest peckers, thus the smallest brains."

You don't feel superior to a black man and you know it. So you have to over compensate with this IQ thing.

Plus Rushton’s work was funded by a highly conservative right-wing think tank (Pioneer Fund) and it generally got trashed by peer reviewers for many of the reasons which I’ve brought up in the past.

The Pioneer fund paid for much of the research behind The Bell Curve.

So your scientific sources are from the very people who funded a book about trying to prove that black people are stupid.

So using these as a source for race and intelligence is like me using Ronald McDonald as a source for information on vegetarians.

The Pioneer fund and Rushton and Jensen are all about eugenics, that thing about making the human race better through selective breeding. Hitler rose to power and took US eugenic laws as a model. And then went one step further: extermination.

Hitler gave eugenics a bad name.

But the eugenic mindset lives on. You see it in the likes of Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor.

Why don’t the Eugenists ever choose themselves to be the first to be rid of?

Rushton wouldn’t have been doing much science at all if it wasn’t for funding from people who have vested political interests in proving the genetic superiority or inferiority of this or that group.

When you look at the both of them (Ruston and Jensen)

• Arthur Jensen was a Psychologist.
• J. Philippe Rushton was a Psychologist

Notice anything strange ?

Where is the biologists or anthropologists or geneticists ?

I mean they're and you're trying to prove the inferiority of certain races then get me the biologists or anthropologists or geneticists to prove it.

Biologists, anthropologists and geneticists are the very people who study these things for a living.

You are trying to hijack science in the same way that people hijack religion.............. to promote your agenda.

The problem is : Unlike in religion, science is far less open to interpretation. Which is you fail so often.

You're talking points sound good when your talking sh*t to your non white girlfriend or family and friends.

They sound good when no-one is their to check them

Start with this

Define “race” in humans in scientific terms first. That is, unambiguously and universal throughout the world, not only the USA

[Gandalf]

Do you not understand what race is Denilson? I assume if you are married you married a black woman and not a white or Asian woman. Why would that be? There is generally an in group preference and race is a factor in that. It is not something I hold to but most actually do.

If you would like to show me data refuting racial group differences then show me it because everything I read suggests that this is a fact as uncomfortable as it might seem.

I have no agenda at work beyond knowing what is as I think truth is important. Thus I won't shy away when suggesting that racism is not the reason why groups struggle more than others or point out that not choosing a partner well has bad outcomes for children.

Your entire line is 'White man bad' and thus I think you are a one trick pony. If it is so bad then why do you live in a racist country? Go to Africa and cheer yourself up. Bet you return within 6 months though.

[Gandalf]

It is not racism to point out group differentials be it IQ or sprinting or whatever. That's the limited left wing side of you coming out Dennis. Racism is to hold people down because of their race. I don't hold anyone down, I just suggest that there are group differences as evidenced by academic research.

No white man can run as fast as Bolt. Is that racist? Is he holding the white men down by adding weights to slow them? He is just good at what he does. There is no intrinsic hatred of the other in pointing out facts.

[p4pking]

What a pathetic mess this board has become.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

No white man can run as fast as Bolt. Is that racist? Is he holding the white men down by adding weights to slow them? He is just good at what he does. There is no intrinsic hatred of the other in pointing out facts.

And no black man can play like Gretzky.

Do white guys have an extra muscle in their feet that makes the ice skates turn faster?

Speed skating uses the same muscle set as sprinting then why don’t black people dominate that ? Surely are supposed “fast twitch muscle” should reign supreme there too?

• Why aren't all championship high jumpers black?
• Why is every player who has ever won an NHL scoring title is white?
• Why is every Olympic weightlifting record is held by a Caucasian or non-black person?
• Why is every major league pitcher who has ever won 300 games is white?
• Why is almost all Olympic champions rowers and kayakers are white ?

Do you think whites or non black are physically advantaged in shooting, hockey pucks, lifting barbells, skating, or rowing ?

The whole "Blacks are faster" rumor is a sour grapes thing started by un-athletic white guys...you know..."we can't run as well as they can because they have an extra fast twitch muscle" “we can’t jump as high as they can because they were bred in slavery” or some nonsense.

It’s all comes to down to white supremacy and in a system of white supremacy black people can’t dominate in anything positive.

So if black people are dominating in something positive then there has to be some genetic advantage black people must have.

Why?

Because black people can’t be dominant in anything positive.

That’s what it all this really comes down to.

The original story was that white people were superior in body and brains.

In the 1936 Olympics Hitler was confident that his Aryan athletes would dominate the Black American sprinters.



Because of Jessie Owens. That didn’t happen.



The white Supremacists pretend that they had never believed that white people were physically superior to black people and that their ideas hadn’t been embarrassingly refuted.

They just figured that brains were more important. So if Black people were to be sold to the world as inferior, it would have to be based on us being genetically stupid.

Bill Burr did a funny sketch on this



Look.

Something as major as an additional pair of muscles would have required major evolutionary changes. Or a loss of a pair of muscles, since all humans evolved from a common ancestor.

In order for black people to have "an extra muscle" from other human beings there would have to be fixed genetic differences between races.

Meaning a clear break

Indeed this seems like a speciation level difference to be frank, such as "Blacks" having a gene for X and no one else. This is absolutely clearly not the case. Not a shadow of a doubt.

What's the name of this supposed muscle? What studies verified that blacks possess it more frequently?

Most muscles come in pairs, sort of opposing each other (one muscle to move your foot forward, another one to pull it backward)?

The idea of a "one muscle in each leg" is crazy. What happens to it after this "extra" muscle contracts? Makes this sound even more like some kind of a racist urban legend.

Most black athletes who grew up in poverty thrive in sports that feature three things

1. Modest equipment investment
2. High social/cultural approval
3. Fame and wealth in professional ranks

That's why young urban black athletes who are strong in sports keep gravitatating to the same five

1. Basketball
2. Football
3. Baseball
4. Track & field
5. And increasingly tennis.

The fundamentals of these sports can be learned at a very young age

Thousands of hours can be logged playing and practicing with your peers in the streets, and the rewards for top talent can be scouted and developed from middle school on. You just don't get the same community support or interest if you're black and happen to be good at ice hockey.

If there was big money and cultural approval in professional bowling, blacks would dominate that too.

But yeah sure you’ll find 75% of African Americans in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to you're theory, athleticism and blackness somehow run together then you'd expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions. Nigeria, Chad, Kenya, Congo, Jamaica should be kicking ass at the Olympic tournament.

They don't. Why?

There’s not one majority black country that makes the worlds top ten in the basketball rankings.



Apart from the USA basketball team (And the USA is still a majority white and non-black nation) countries representing black nations are very average.

Also if black people are physically more capable of playing basketball then why don't blacks dominate volleyball the same way ? You have to be tall, jump well and have v.good hand to ball control in that sport. No ?

There are good reasons why track and field and boxing events are dominated the way they are; because that's who trains and competes in them. Boxing is generally for people who have limited opportunities. Racism limits your opportunities.

And yes Africans have been ahead of the rest of the world in long distance training methods for thirty years; it's no surprise they dominate the competitions.

If people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion sprinters and a different group of people from a geographic region of Africa are the world's champion marathon runners and both are alleged to be part of some specific "race" then you have argued against sprinting or distance running as being a "racial" characteristic. Since the two groups you tried to put into one "race" have contradictory abilities.

This is Simone Manuel



She's the current world and Olympic champion in 100m freestyle. Despite the fact that participation rates in swimming for black people are very low. When she received the gold medal the BBC showed it live while NBC showed a tape of Russian gymnasts.

This is Simone Biles



She crushed the competition in a sport that is usually dominated by Eastern Europeans and the Chinese.

People just need to stay out of our way and watch more of us break records in sports that are not traditionally “black”

Even the best driver in the world is a black man Lewis Hamilton.



Hell even a crippled way past his best Tiger Woods comes back and wins the the biggest comp in Golf (US Masters)



When it comes to athletic ability you either can or you can’t

You either can run the 100m in under ten seconds or you can’t

But in the workforce. Old boy’s networks still skew opportunity to those with the best connections. Will this person “fit in” ? Do they have “enough” experience?

All of these evaluations are judgment calls,

Whether or not a person can hit a three-pointer is not nearly as subjective

Finally and this is arguably the most important point

White people have always been willing to let black people entertain them

Even at the height of racism, you still had your Muhammad Ali’s, Jim Brown’s, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson’s, Eusebio’s, Pele’s and Hank Aaron’s.

Hell when Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth’s home run record. He broke a record for receiving almost a million letters of hate mail from white supremacists all over the US who were upset about a Black man beating Ruth’s record.

[Denilson-The-Comeback]

It is not racism to point out group differentials be it IQ or sprinting or whatever. That's the limited left wing side of you coming out Dennis.

As usual there always has to be at least one mention of “the liberals” or “lefties” or “Political Correctness”

You will never find such mention in serious scientific publications.

We never really drill down to the nuts and bolts that need to be asked of guys like you and you like it that way. Because you never have to actually put you’re ideas out there on the line to be scrutinized.

You can always claim ideological martyr status for being shouted down as being iconoclasts in the public square and pretend that marginalized trash are actually hidden gems of knowledge only you and a select few others can see.

Let’s have the debate.

Let's see what it would actually mean in public policy terms. Let’s see how you intend to address the problems of our time and indeed things you see as problems.

But I don't think you or people who think like you, will because you need a new theory of racism that allows you to separate yourselves from the blue collar stormfronters.

If you would like to show me data refuting racial group differences then show me it because everything I read suggests that this is a fact as uncomfortable as it might seem.

That's not how it works.

Science is not "I have this theory. Now all of you try and prove me wrong"

Science is

1. Gather facts.
2. Come up with a hypothesis to make sense of them.
3. Test the hypothesis.

The important thing is that the hypothesis can be tested and can fail. That gives science a way to root out its own errors.

Your science and guys who think like you is the opposite:

1. Come up with the desired conclusion (In your case blacks are the most stupid. Whites not so and Asian not so)
2. Gather facts that support the conclusion.
3. Find excuses for the facts that do not fit.

Science makes progress though discovery and disproof. Science loves facts that don't fit because they point to new ideas and discoveries.

Your brand of science never makes new discoveries that go against its claims

If you are trying to ground IQ as a genetic product of race the very first thing you need to do is offer up a genetic or biological definition of race, something no one has not done nor has any study.

But I’ll sit back, invite you to give me such a definition. Mainly because your fumbling attempts to define race point out just how subjective such definitions are. In close to a decade of debating race with guys like you.

I have yet to see any one of them - No matter what their scientific credentials - offer up an acceptably neutral definition of race.

• Which are those “races” then, purely scientifically speaking and in clear text ?
• What are the precise genetic criteria for making this classification ?

Those questions can obviously only be answered in arbitrary dimensions which are man-made constructs according to human perception alone.

However you twist it, you will run in circles and eventually spiral back into concepts based on human perception alone.

Do you even know what a scientific fact is ?

A scientific fact is that rain water freezes at 0°C at a pressure of 1 bar.

There’s no human choice involved. It’s observable and reproducible anywhere by anybody in the exact same way. Now a scientific fact, peer-reviewed, confirmed and approved, can have political consequences. Using the simple water example, it means that public administration, set into function by politics, orders winter road service to get ready once the temperatures fall below 0°C and the roads are wet.

But yet you throw around concepts that have no constant repeatability everywhere you try to reproduce the experiment or apply the theoretical claim.

In natural science, only one single significant deviation is enough to render the claim at least disputable, at worst invalid.

The reality is that there is not only one but a multitude of deviations that those “scientists” choose to ignore.

In neurology no one takes IQ seriously. It is archaic and only really useful to social scientists. Neurologists who have a better understanding of how the brain works because they spend decades of their lives studying it have little to no use for it, but to the public at large it is so important.

Because the public is only concerned with what feels like it should be true rather than what is actually the case in reality

I have no agenda at work beyond knowing what is as I think truth is important. Thus I won't shy away when suggesting that racism is not the reason why groups struggle more than others or point out that not choosing a partner well has bad outcomes for children.

You are making an explicatory argument.

You’re saying black IQ is lower, in general, because blacks are “naturally” less intelligent. That sort of exceptionally radical statement needs exceptionally radical proof to back it up. Proof you don't have.

The racial designations that we currently use are principally based on three characteristics.

!) Facial structure
2) Skin color
3) Hair texture.

Those are things that are controlled by six genes out of thirty thousand genes in the human genome and those genes have never been shown by any geneticist on the planet, any biologist on the planet, to be connected, or what geneticists call “concordant,” with any other trait known as intelligence

I just suggest that there are group differences as evidenced by academic research.

OK. So in that case then you believe that white people are intellectually superior ro black people ? Yes ?

And how about white people ? They're certainly less genetically diverse than Blacks, but they obviously have genetic variance between say… Scandinavians and Italians or Anglo Saxons and Spaniards… but evidently, those genetic differences are somehow never linked to intelligence.

Why don't you theorize on which group of White people are the least intelligent.

No !



That's only used for talking about black ppl. Right ?



Who are the genetically dumber and disadvantaged Whites ? If there is enough genetic difference for whites to have different hair color, eye color and different average height, then why not intelligence ?

The answer is because this is not science, it’s politics and to ask that question doesn't serve the political goals of racist Whites.

You don’t want to face the idea that you might belong to the dumbest group of White people in your little hierarchy. So you theorize that “Whiteness” simply makes all Whites just as capable, and all Blacks equally disadvantaged

Finally why don't you drive your arguments to their logical conclusions ?

That is if IQ is so important and so trustworthy then

• Why not give all the top positions to those with the highest IQ ?
• Why have elections? Why have job interviews or resumes ?
• Why not have birth licences or sterilization based on IQ ?

[Alpha]

Do you even know what a scientific fact is ?

A scientific fact is that rain water freezes at 0°C at a pressure of 1 bar.

There’s no human choice involved. It’s observable and reproducible anywhere by anybody in the exact same way. Now a scientific fact, peer-reviewed, confirmed and approved, can have political consequences. Using the simple water example, it means that public administration, set into function by politics, orders winter road service to get ready once the temperatures fall below 0°C and the roads are wet.

In natural science, only one single significant deviation is enough to render the claim at least disputable, at worst invalid.
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Some goods points in there, but peer review can be highly fraudulent. Objective facts and objective truths prove themselves through practical demonstration and experiment.

I always find it funny when I see someone referencing natural science, testing and experimenting, scientific facts etc, and then refer to earth as a planet.

[Gandalf]

Too long, meandering and waffly, Dennis. If you do not think race exists, then why on earth do you spam the forum with that and only that year after year? It is clearly something very dear to your heart.

Black people being the best sprinters is now also white supremacy? You need a job in Hollywood.