Calzaghe on a about a fight with Ward, do you agree??

[Master]

Remember Joe was struggling with Kessler who was young, unbeaten and confident champion early in their fight particularly his right hand. I was worried for Calzaghe but he adjusted his foot work and out boxed Kessler even landed a hard body shot that nearly stopped Kessler mid-way in that fight.

A peak Joe Calzaghe would be the young, fit, no hand injuries, hungry version that beat Chris Eubank with the experience that beat Lacy/Kessler. That Joe would beat Andre Ward anywhere in the world including his back yard.

[powerpuncher]

Here’s what I say about Ward. Before the Kovalev fight, he basically destroyed all of his opponents. Nobody could even get close to beating him. Also, he fought really good competition. It’s not like Ward was beating nobodies or hype jobs. He even beat Froch basically with one hand. The only fight that Ward struggled with was the first Kovalev fight. People tend to forget though that Ward was still a bit rusty and moving up in weight. Also, Kovalev was a top 3 p4p fighter at the time (arguably #1).

I think that Joe is a tough match for most fighters because of his output. He beat good enough competition to prove that he was legit and wasn’t just a hype job. Unlike Ward though, I had seen Joe struggle here and there with certain fighters. He adjusted well and ended up winning, but I give the adjustment advantage to Ward. Even if Joe adjusted during a Ward fight, I see Ward adjusting quickly after that to get back on top.

Like I said before, I think Joe definitely wins some rounds, but I think Ward wins fairly in a close on the scorecards kind of fight in which Ward dictated the pace better.

[Mark TKO]

These guys could have a trilogy and we'd be guaranteed 36 rounds.

Each fight would come to a razor thin SD I reckon - if I was a betting man I'd pit money on Ward as Joe could be the victim of a couple of flash knockdowns which would sway it on the cards.

[Primo Carnera]

Remember Joe was struggling with Kessler who was young, unbeaten and confident champion early in their fight particularly his right hand. I was worried for Calzaghe but he adjusted his foot work and out boxed Kessler even landed a hard body shot that nearly stopped Kessler mid-way in that fight.

A peak Joe Calzaghe would be the young, fit, no hand injuries, hungry version that beat Chris Eubank with the experience that beat Lacy/Kessler. That Joe would beat Andre Ward anywhere in the world including his back yard.

Come on @Master, ffs. we all know it’s a close call, and there is no right or wrong reallly.
But let’s have a level playing field . The “Peak” Joe that you miss mash from the best parts of his career never existed!
His peak is either the young hungry one with no hand problems, or the one with experience that beat Kessler.
Don’t load it just to suit your opinion, just stick to the facts.

[Master]

Remember Joe was struggling with Kessler who was young, unbeaten and confident champion early in their fight particularly his right hand. I was worried for Calzaghe but he adjusted his foot work and out boxed Kessler even landed a hard body shot that nearly stopped Kessler mid-way in that fight.

A peak Joe Calzaghe would be the young, fit, no hand injuries, hungry version that beat Chris Eubank with the experience that beat Lacy/Kessler. That Joe would beat Andre Ward anywhere in the world including his back yard.

Come on @Master, ffs. we all know it’s a close call, and there is no right or wrong reallly.
But let’s have a level playing field . The “Peak” Joe that you miss mash from the best parts of his career never existed!
His peak is either the young hungry one with no hand problems, or the one with experience that beat Kessler.
Don’t load it just to suit your opinion, just stick to the facts.

I am just pointing out that Joe had hand/elbow injuries which nearly derailed his career. He had awful defences in-between Eubank to Jeff Lacy.

[Ron Swanson]

Love the argument that you can’t say Lacy was overrated even if you ALWAYS said Lacy was overrated, his career demonstrated he was overrated, and you picked Joe in every fight of his career. Because somehow it’s revisionist even if it’s true.

We know what it really is, people think if you say Lacy was overrated you are diminishing Joe when in fact you are only speaking the truth about Lacy. Truth that they know is the truth. The logic on this board is extra special.

[Memphis]

Love the argument that you can’t say Lacy was overrated even if you ALWAYS said Lacy was overrated, his career demonstrated he was overrated, and you picked Joe in every fight of his career. Because somehow it’s revisionist even if it’s true.

We know what it really is, people think if you say Lacy was overrated you are diminishing Joe when in fact you are only speaking the truth about Lacy. Truth that they know is the truth. The logic on this board is extra special.

Who said you cant say Lacy was over rated? Quit making shit up Ron. I'm sure you've got 'evidence' somewhere in your 'evidence' files that most people picked Lacy to beat Joe up, no? When that didn't happen, the number of people that 'knew' Lacy was a hype job shot up. Those people Ron...........are bullshitters. See?

[powerpuncher]

Love the argument that you can’t say Lacy was overrated even if you ALWAYS said Lacy was overrated, his career demonstrated he was overrated, and you picked Joe in every fight of his career. Because somehow it’s revisionist even if it’s true.

We know what it really is, people think if you say Lacy was overrated you are diminishing Joe when in fact you are only speaking the truth about Lacy. Truth that they know is the truth. The logic on this board is extra special.

I think we found that Lacy was overrated, but it’s not as if Lacy didn’t beat anyone of note at the time. He at least proved to be one of the top guys at the weight. The question is that after Lacy lost, how much did Joe take from him?

[Alpha]

Ward is one of those fighters that finds a way to win. I think he takes a close decision.

[imp]

That video is about 5 years old.

Look at it this way..if they swapped opponents would they have beaten, struggled or lost against them.

Calzaghe vs Reid could have been a draw and Calzaghe vs old boy Hopkins could have went either way.

Ward clearly beat all his opponents apart from Kovalev 1..that should have been a draw at least.