Cooking the Books on Covid-19?

[TIC]

Witch hunts = ignorance
Racism = ignorance

COVID-19 exists. It's reach, contagiousness and mortality might be a matter of debate... but it exists, regardless of your one-man crusade to say otherwise.

The Dallas salon owner, if everything is as you say, suffered an injustice... especially if she was willing to abide by social distancing rules.

No one here is celebrating the millions who have lost their jobs or their livelihoods.

But whereas most of us can see both sides of the coin, you seem hellbent (and then some) on making this crusade of yours your life's mission.

The onus is not on the vast majority of people who believe COVID-19 exists to prove it to the misguided few who don't................. it's the other way around.

so those in the majority & with force didn't have to prove those people were witches? the majority with force who believed themselves superior didn't need to prove they were? just hung & set up separate areas because it was the accused witches & blacks that needed to prove they weren't witches or weren't inferior. if you believe covid 19 exists, you need to prove it. example bertrand declares that a teapot is, at this very moment, in orbit around the sun between the earth and mars, and that because no one can prove him wrong, his claim is therefore a valid one. no one should be forced against their free will if they are doing nothing wrong. the lockdowns & government is the reason for people losing their jobs & livelihoods not a virus. i'm just asking for proof that covid 19 is real & is the cause of these deaths

Why don't we move from the witch hunt and racism comparisons that do not apply and use a much more similar example....... smoking and secondhand smoke.

Say you smoke and believe secondhand smoke doesn't harm anybody. And you're smoking right next to someone who does not smoke and believes secondhand smoke is harmful.

Is he supposed to have to "prove" to you that secondhand smoke is harmful before you agree to move away from him or put out your cigarette?

Again.... someone with my mindset wouldn't be too agreeable.

i am not comparing witch hunts & racism, i am comparing unsubstantiated beliefs. putting poisons into your body is bad. are you saying putting poisons into your body is bad is a belief? it would also depend where we were. if we were in my house i'd tell him to get fucked. outside in public, same thing. not forcing anyone to stand near me if i'm smoking. most smokers tend to move away from my experience. if there were signs prohibiting it & i could be under threat of fines or worse i would choose to comply under duress as i would against an other thugs i was unable to avoid, i would still be 100% opposed. has smoking shutdown the world? why don't you use tuberculosis as a comparison? do you wear a mask titofan? & if so do you think they work?

Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.

you could convince me with proof of your belief

that's assuming I wanted to convince you

you don't have to convince me but it is clear that as in history, unsubstantiated beliefs are damaging lives. let's move on, let's imagine covid 19 is real, do you think masks work?

[TitoFan]

Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.

you could convince me with proof of your belief

that's assuming I wanted to convince you

you don't have to convince me but it is clear that as in history, unsubstantiated beliefs are damaging lives. let's move on, let's imagine covid 19 is real, do you think masks work?

Why do you care what I think? We've already established you don't think COVID-19 is real. Everything beyond that is a moot point.

[TIC]

Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.

you could convince me with proof of your belief

that's assuming I wanted to convince you

you don't have to convince me but it is clear that as in history, unsubstantiated beliefs are damaging lives. let's move on, let's imagine covid 19 is real, do you think masks work?

Why do you care what I think? We've already established you don't think COVID-19 is real. Everything beyond that is a moot point.

i can't know it's real until it's proven to me yeh? but i was trying to find some common ground & see if you agree with some of the inconsistencies & some of the random stuff like dancing nurses, locking up surfers or those at parks & beaches & those trying to support their families. or if you felt it strange that big businesses were able to remain open like supermarkets but smaller businesses were not, when some smaller places could enforce social distancing better. or if you think reopening will lead to a second phase. i think a second phase is already planned. just because i don't believe the virus is real doesn't mean the actions being taken are not serious. but yeh, let's drop it

[TitoFan]

Well we've both made our feeling clear, haven't we. I think the argument has run its course. You won't convince me.... I won't convince you.

you could convince me with proof of your belief

that's assuming I wanted to convince you

you don't have to convince me but it is clear that as in history, unsubstantiated beliefs are damaging lives. let's move on, let's imagine covid 19 is real, do you think masks work?

Why do you care what I think? We've already established you don't think COVID-19 is real. Everything beyond that is a moot point.

i can't know it's real until it's proven to me yeh? but i was trying to find some common ground & see if you agree with some of the inconsistencies & some of the random stuff like dancing nurses, locking up surfers or those at parks & beaches & those trying to support their families. or if you felt it strange that big businesses were able to remain open like supermarkets but smaller businesses were not, when some smaller places could enforce social distancing better. or if you think reopening will lead to a second phase. i think a second phase is already planned. just because i don't believe the virus is real doesn't mean the actions being taken are not serious. but yeh, let's drop it

TIC, please don't think I'm unsympathetic with the examples you posted above. Unlike you, I do believe there's a virus pandemic. But I don't agree with the arresting of surfers, those in wide open spaces posing a danger to no one, etc. I also feel the restrictions are being unfairly meted out. Business is business and, if you can enforce social distancing measures in supermarkets, you should be able to do so as well in small businesses while allowing them to open. Common sense, logic, empathy, are all very big with me. But as usual, laws are put together haphazardly without the attention to detail that requires rolling up your sleeves and actually giving everything careful planning and thought. We may not agree on the virus being real, but that doesn't mean this automatic polarization of ideas that usually occurs in here, has to take place now. Many of us "virus-believers" are quite reasonable.