Should Boris Resign?

[El Kabong]

I'm asking quite sincerely: Does anyone think that statues of Churchill need to come down? If so why?



I don't want debate as I won't respond with anything but a "thank you for taking the time to respond", I just want opinions but I do ask for you to be as specific as you can.

Of course there will be some, considering some of the appalling attitudes he expressed and pretty evil things he did, but the majority of people, even on the furthest edges of the left, do not want the Statues of Churchill to be taken down.

That is just a convenient distraction though, and one that people like you, will use to try and discredit any kind of movement to actually better educate people. An education system that has for years been failing so miserably, because of deeply entrenched racist attitudes, that are ironically (considering the censorship claims of the babies espousing them) very anti free speech themselves, needs a long overdue overhaul.

The proliferation of odious revisionists need to stop censoring the uncomfortable truth. You, and many here, are part of a movement for years that have resisted that, and would rather maintain lies that lay out the complete picture.


That the education system has failed in teaching any kind of truthful history is pretty clearly demonstrated by many neanderthal idiots all over this forum, boasting about their ignorance as though it were a badge of honour.

Thanks for the response

[Beanz]

I'm asking quite sincerely: Does anyone think that statues of Churchill need to come down? If so why?



I don't want debate as I won't respond with anything but a "thank you for taking the time to respond", I just want opinions but I do ask for you to be as specific as you can.

Of course there will be some, considering some of the appalling attitudes he expressed and pretty evil things he did, but the majority of people, even on the furthest edges of the left, do not want the Statues of Churchill to be taken down.

That is just a convenient distraction though, and one that people like you, will use to try and discredit any kind of movement to actually better educate people. An education system that has for years been failing so miserably, because of deeply entrenched racist attitudes, that are ironically (considering the censorship claims of the babies espousing them) very anti free speech themselves, needs a long overdue overhaul.

The proliferation of odious revisionists need to stop censoring the uncomfortable truth. You, and many here, are part of a movement for years that have resisted that, and would rather maintain lies that lay out the complete picture.


That the education system has failed in teaching any kind of truthful history is pretty clearly demonstrated by many neanderthal idiots all over this forum, boasting about their ignorance as though it were a badge of honour.

Thanks for the response

Thanks for trying to distract from the fact that because like you, our idiot Prime Minister has no time for Science when it gets in the way of Capitalism, his two week lock down delay cost thousands of British Citizens their lives.


It is incredibly telling that even now after this and other revelations every day, many people who for years have lied about caring for England, Great Britain etc are still blaming someone who as not elected. Just like your deafening silence when hundreds were arrested after attacking the Police and desecrating the War Memorials they were supposed to be defending.

The 'Data' the 'Facts' are all here in this thread and yet supposed Patriots are all standing idly by as their country, The UK, is sold off to the most corrupt huge corporations and interests of your globalist schill President.

Like you who i presume would have chastised those taking down the statue Of King George in New York. this corrupt Government under Johnson have now suggested that like you they think, statues are more important than living people.


The current sentencing guidelines for most rape cases is a measly and inadequate 5 - 10 years. This Government under Johnson has now suggested that daubing a statue carry at least 10 years.


That is why he has to go.


Yesterday was the four year anniversary of the Death of the MP Jo Cox. A woman killed for her compassion and empathy, by someone who shared many of the same beliefs and attitudes of the racist Johnson, You, Gandalf and many of the extreme no deal fuck Britain over Brexit vandals here.

Johnson should be gone.

[El Kabong]

Thanks for trying to distract from the fact that because like you, our idiot Prime Minister has no time for Science when it gets in the way of Capitalism, his two week lock down delay cost thousands of British Citizens their lives.


It is incredibly telling that even now after this and other revelations every day, many people who for years have lied about caring for England, Great Britain etc are still blaming someone who as not elected. Just like your deafening silence when hundreds were arrested after attacking the Police and desecrating the War Memorials they were supposed to be defending.

The 'Data' the 'Facts' are all here in this thread and yet supposed Patriots are all standing idly by as their country, The UK, is sold off to the most corrupt huge corporations and interests of your globalist schill President.

Like you who i presume would have chastised those taking down the statue Of King George in New York. this corrupt Government under Johnson have now suggested that like you they thing statues are more important than living people.


The current sentencing guidelines for most rape cases is a measly and inadequate 5 - 10 years. This Government under Johnson has now suggested that daubing a statue carry at least 10 years.


That is why he has to go.


Yesterday was the four year anniversary of the Death of the MP Jo Cox. A woman killed for her compassion and empathy, by someone who shared many of the same beliefs and attitudes of the racist Johnson, You, Gandalf and many of the extreme no deal fuck Britain over Brexit vandals here.

Johnson should be gone.

Do you actually want a response from me or do you just enjoy hectoring anyone who dares disagree with you?

[Beanz]

Thanks for trying to distract from the fact that because like you, our idiot Prime Minister has no time for Science when it gets in the way of Capitalism, his two week lock down delay cost thousands of British Citizens their lives.


It is incredibly telling that even now after this and other revelations every day, many people who for years have lied about caring for England, Great Britain etc are still blaming someone who as not elected. Just like your deafening silence when hundreds were arrested after attacking the Police and desecrating the War Memorials they were supposed to be defending.

The 'Data' the 'Facts' are all here in this thread and yet supposed Patriots are all standing idly by as their country, The UK, is sold off to the most corrupt huge corporations and interests of your globalist schill President.

Like you who i presume would have chastised those taking down the statue Of King George in New York. this corrupt Government under Johnson have now suggested that like you they thing statues are more important than living people.


The current sentencing guidelines for most rape cases is a measly and inadequate 5 - 10 years. This Government under Johnson has now suggested that daubing a statue carry at least 10 years.


That is why he has to go.


Yesterday was the four year anniversary of the Death of the MP Jo Cox. A woman killed for her compassion and empathy, by someone who shared many of the same beliefs and attitudes of the racist Johnson, You, Gandalf and many of the extreme no deal fuck Britain over Brexit vandals here.

Johnson should be gone.

Do you actually want a response from me or do you just enjoy hectoring anyone who dares disagree with you?

If it has one single thing to do with Johnson and his resigning , yes an American perspective would be interesting. If it is to distract and just further your own polarised myopic 'right at all costs' agenda then kindly

[El Kabong]

If it has one single thing to do with Johnson and his resigning , yes an American perspective would be interesting. If it is to distract and just further your own polarised myopic 'right at all costs' agenda then kindly

My perspective is: Why would Johnson resign when you've got a Parliamentary system that holds votes on a whim if no confidence is had in the leader. A demand for resignation comes from political opponents not having the pull to actually do anything against Johnson. Now you personally may not like that, but it's the truth. The Left/Center Left parties have failed to strike upon what the people want and that's why they've lost several elections in a row...they've doubled and tripled down on failed platforms, they've not had successful arguments, they've not sold the people on their vision for the nation. In order to gain political strength they've got to find out what the people actually want that they as a political party(or parties) can offer them that the Tories aren't providing.

Say what you will about the Tories, they were smart enough to co-opt Brexit and they were rewarded with votes. Labour could have done the same thing, but they were too focused on being in the EU and attempting to shape how life was going to be as a part of the EU. Labour thought "We're past the point of no return, the voters wouldn't dare overrule us now". They bet on the wrong horse and now they've got precious little political pull when they could have been figuring out what Britain was going to look like on it's own as lead by Labour and the Left.

That's my take, and some of it may very well be incorrect, but that's how I see things.

[Memphis]

Churchill, no. It's a fucking mine field though. How lily white does someone need to be to survive the cull? Unless it's a modern statue that sculptors intentionally make look retarded



Statues tend to be of old fuckers who's thinking was aligned with their times, a million miles from the way people think now. What was Churchills black mark? Saying that the Indians and Aborigines got turned over by a stronger race? That was quite normal thinking back then.

The Colston gesture might seem like quite a grand one. Essentially wiping him off of the landscape. But it isn't really is it. It's a token. The answer to the problems lie far deeper than a few statues and shop signs.

Incidentally I watched John Ruiz box at the Colston Hall in the 90's. If god forbid anyone has erected a statue of Ruiz anywhere in the World, I want it taken down immediately!!

[smashup]

Churchill, no. It's a fucking mine field though. How lily white does someone need to be to survive the cull? Unless it's a modern statue that sculptors intentionally make look retarded



Statues tend to be of old fuckers who's thinking was aligned with their times, a million miles from the way people think now. What was Churchills black mark? Saying that the Indians and Aborigines got turned over by a stronger race? That was quite normal thinking back then.

The Colston gesture might seem like quite a grand one. Essentially wiping him off of the landscape. But it isn't really is it. It's a token. The answer to the problems lie far deeper than a few statues and shop signs.

Incidentally I watched John Ruiz box at the Colston Hall in the 90's. If god forbid anyone has erected a statue of Ruiz anywhere in the World, I want it taken down immediately!!

That's Ronaldo/ Niall Quinn 😂

[Beanz]

If it has one single thing to do with Johnson and his resigning , yes an American perspective would be interesting. If it is to distract and just further your own polarised myopic 'right at all costs' agenda then kindly

My perspective is: Why would Johnson resign when you've got a Parliamentary system that holds votes on a whim if no confidence is had in the leader. A demand for resignation comes from political opponents not having the pull to actually do anything against Johnson. Now you personally may not like that, but it's the truth. The Left/Center Left parties have failed to strike upon what the people want and that's why they've lost several elections in a row...they've doubled and tripled down on failed platforms, they've not had successful arguments, they've not sold the people on their vision for the nation. In order to gain political strength they've got to find out what the people actually want that they as a political party(or parties) can offer them that the Tories aren't providing.

Say what you will about the Tories, they were smart enough to co-opt Brexit and they were rewarded with votes. Labour could have done the same thing, but they were too focused on being in the EU and attempting to shape how life was going to be as a part of the EU. Labour thought "We're past the point of no return, the voters wouldn't dare overrule us now". They bet on the wrong horse and now they've got precious little political pull when they could have been figuring out what Britain was going to look like on it's own as lead by Labour and the Left.

That's my take, and some of it may very well be incorrect, but that's how I see things.

A demand for resignation has nothing to do votes of no confidence in a leader or Parliamentary whims. It is there primarily because Johnson broke the law, but there are a myriad reasons why if he had any decency he would resign.

He obviously has no morals or qualms about doing anything to hold on to power, and so it should be taken from his hands. All you are doing is arguing for the dismantling of the UK, so that he can stay, and the globalists criminal oligarchs at the top of the tree can stay exactly where they are, and continue to pick at the bones of what is left from Britain after the elites you have always backed, have profited from its destruction.


Johnson broke the law.

Johnson lied to the Queen.

Johnson dithered and delayed, encouraged the spread of the Coroana Virus and is personally responsible for the deaths of thousands.

He knowingly delayed lock down boasting about the UK being a Superman of Capitalism that did not need to lock down to beat the Corona Virus

Johnson then knowingly sent Corona positive patients back into care homes

Johnson has never taken control or the lead on anything from floods to telling the hospitality sector whether they should close he has ran and hid in a fridge

He hid the numbers of thousands dying for Political gain

He failed to protect thousands of NHS staff by being unable to source any PPE



The list goes on. If you think the bloke has done a decent job you are just burying your head in the sand.

[El Kabong]

A demand for resignation has nothing to do votes of no confidence in a leader or Parliamentary whims. It is there primarily because Johnson broke the law, but there are a myriad reasons why if he had any decency he would resign.

He obviously has no morals or qualms about doing anything to hold on to power, and so it should be taken from his hands. All you are doing is arguing for the dismantling of the UK, so that he can stay, and the globalists criminal oligarchs at the top of the tree can stay exactly where they are, and continue to pick at the bones of what is left from Britain after the elites you have always backed, have profited from its destruction.


Johnson broke the law.

Johnson lied to the Queen.

Johnson dithered and delayed, encouraged the spread of the Coroana Virus and is personally responsible for the deaths of thousands.

He knowingly delayed lock down boasting about the UK being a Superman of Capitalism that did not need to lock down to beat the Corona Virus

Johnson then knowingly sent Corona positive patients back into care homes

Johnson has never taken control or the lead on anything from floods to telling the hospitality sector whether they should close he has ran and hid in a fridge

He hid the numbers of thousands dying for Political gain

He failed to protect thousands of NHS staff by being unable to source any PPE



The list goes on. If you think the bloke has done a decent job you are just burying your head in the sand.

You asked my opinion....I'm sorry you disagree with it so strongly.