Covid- 19 - Second wave

[El Kabong]

I will say THIS.

Dr. Fauci or anyone else who supports and defends mask use are doing themselves and everybody else no favors by refusing to identify protests (peaceful or not) as equally conducive to spreading the virus.

It can't be one activity "yes" and the other one "no." It doesn't work that way, and furthermore....... it widens the divide between mask-wearers and non-mask-wearers.

My stance is either we have rules (Constitutional rules mind you) and we follow those OR we don't. The picking and choosing is bullshit and weakens the public's trust in leadership people like Dr. Fauci rely on in order to address the virus.

Shouting down and dismissing Hydroxychloroquine, banning mention of it, censoring it while promoting a study against it which WASN'T based in reality, WASN'T properly researched, WASN'T even done by a real academic group or institution not only isn't right, it foments doubts people have in regard to the authorities and their plans in addressing the elephant in the room which is "how do we beat this virus?".


In previous years, in previous epidemics we've NEVER brought our economy to a screeching halt, we've NEVER quarantined the healthy. Why have things changed?


I'll tell you this much, the fucking quarantine ain't doing so great for people with psychological issues, it ain't helping those who are alcoholics or drug addicts, it's not helping kids who can't play with their friends. There's a lot more to this than JUST the virus itself and I am not sure Fauci really grasps that.


I'm not of the belief that the virus doesn't exist or anything like that. I AM of the belief that where we find ourselves at this moment is no mistake though.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

What about Trump? He didn't wear a mask for four months and now suddenly he wears a mask. Why don't you ever want to speak about that? Why only fauci

[NoSavingByTheBell]

How has that not sent mixed messages? Is the president of the United States. From the very beginning he should have worn a mask and told people to wear masks.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Had we all wore masks from the very very beginning we would not be where we are now

of course you will disagree with that and call it speculation but what about your position? It is also pure speculation that we are here for a certain reason as you put it.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Where we find ourselves right now is no mistake? How ironic that you would choose that wording

By the way you take your wording I believe in my opinion it is dead wrong

We are here because of a mistake and that mistake is not wearing masks or believing that this virus was real

In the other sense if you are saying we were deliberately taking to this place that you also have a hard time proving that as well. That is Alex Jones conspiracy theory stuff of the highest level

[TitoFan]

I will say THIS.

Dr. Fauci or anyone else who supports and defends mask use are doing themselves and everybody else no favors by refusing to identify protests (peaceful or not) as equally conducive to spreading the virus.

It can't be one activity "yes" and the other one "no." It doesn't work that way, and furthermore....... it widens the divide between mask-wearers and non-mask-wearers.

My stance is either we have rules (Constitutional rules mind you) and we follow those OR we don't. The picking and choosing is bullshit and weakens the public's trust in leadership people like Dr. Fauci rely on in order to address the virus.

Shouting down and dismissing Hydroxychloroquine, banning mention of it, censoring it while promoting a study against it which WASN'T based in reality, WASN'T properly researched, WASN'T even done by a real academic group or institution not only isn't right, it foments doubts people have in regard to the authorities and their plans in addressing the elephant in the room which is "how do we beat this virus?".


In previous years, in previous epidemics we've NEVER brought our economy to a screeching halt, we've NEVER quarantined the healthy. Why have things changed?


I'll tell you this much, the fucking quarantine ain't doing so great for people with psychological issues, it ain't helping those who are alcoholics or drug addicts, it's not helping kids who can't play with their friends. There's a lot more to this than JUST the virus itself and I am not sure Fauci really grasps that.


I'm not of the belief that the virus doesn't exist or anything like that. I AM of the belief that where we find ourselves at this moment is no mistake though.

Fauci has made his mistakes... I have no doubt about that. The first one is he's allowed himself to get caught up in the political football bullshit that the virus has been made into. He should have maintained his stance of SOLELY a health professional and leave it at that. He's allowed himself to get dragged into mud-slinging battles with mostly Republican congressmen who want nothing more than to impress their boss and undermine Fauci.

But let's not stop the blame at Fauci. Trump is the leader of the nation. The one who people look to for leadership in times of crisis. He's failed miserably. He blames everyone but the White House dog. He contradicts himself almost daily. He doesn't let a little thing like a global pandemic get in the way of his Gibraltar-sized ego. IMO, he's done everything wrong, and refuses to admit it.

Other nations got over the hump. Why not the U.S.? Trump is the POTUS and like they say..... "the buck stops here." Other nations are literally scratching their heads over the runaway numbers coming from the U.S. as compared to other countries where they had true leadership, combined by a cooperative population..... and now they can say they've beaten the pandemic. Trump just blusters his way through interviews and says asinine thing after asinine thing.

Shit..... even Trump FOLLOWERS are jumping ship. Even THEY realize "why keep defending this egotistical bozo down the shitter?"

[NoSavingByTheBell]

@TitoFan I agree

[El Kabong]

Fauci has made his mistakes... I have no doubt about that. The first one is he's allowed himself to get caught up in the political football bullshit that the virus has been made into. He should have maintained his stance of SOLELY a health professional and leave it at that. He's allowed himself to get dragged into mud-slinging battles with mostly Republican congressmen who want nothing more than to impress their boss and undermine Fauci.

But let's not stop the blame at Fauci. Trump is the leader of the nation. The one who people look to for leadership in times of crisis. He's failed miserably. He blames everyone but the White House dog. He contradicts himself almost daily. He doesn't let a little thing like a global pandemic get in the way of his Gibraltar-sized ego. IMO, he's done everything wrong, and refuses to admit it.

Other nations got over the hump. Why not the U.S.? Trump is the POTUS and like they say..... "the buck stops here." Other nations are literally scratching their heads over the runaway numbers coming from the U.S. as compared to other countries where they had true leadership, combined by a cooperative population..... and now they can say they've beaten the pandemic. Trump just blusters his way through interviews and says asinine thing after asinine thing.

Shit..... even Trump FOLLOWERS are jumping ship. Even THEY realize "why keep defending this egotistical bozo down the shitter?"

Fauci got caught up being the flavor of the month. He did. I don't mind the guy, but I want consistency which he hasn't provided and according to Beanz that makes me dense. It's "all or nothing, black & white" for me in regards to consistency...how stupid of me, how silly of me.

Did Trump do a perfect job on COVID, no, but there are SEVERAL events and practices which didn't help him and people will dog pile the blame on him for. Those events & practices being: China lying, The WHO lying and covering for China, and one of the MAJOR issues is Governors putting virus patients in nursing homes....again GOVERNORS did that and it was quite unwise, but hey Gov. Cuomo won't face consequences for it will he?

Trump started slow on COVID, but he caught up and then some in terms of ventilators, hospitals, PPE, N95 masks, etc.

[Beanz]

I will say THIS.

Dr. Fauci or anyone else who supports and defends mask use are doing themselves and everybody else no favors by refusing to identify protests (peaceful or not) as equally conducive to spreading the virus.

It can't be one activity "yes" and the other one "no." It doesn't work that way, and furthermore....... it widens the divide between mask-wearers and non-mask-wearers.

My stance is either we have rules (Constitutional rules mind you) and we follow those OR we don't. The picking and choosing is bullshit and weakens the public's trust in leadership people like Dr. Fauci rely on in order to address the virus.

Shouting down and dismissing Hydroxychloroquine, banning mention of it, censoring it while promoting a study against it which WASN'T based in reality, WASN'T properly researched, WASN'T even done by a real academic group or institution not only isn't right, it foments doubts people have in regard to the authorities and their plans in addressing the elephant in the room which is "how do we beat this virus?".


In previous years, in previous epidemics we've NEVER brought our economy to a screeching halt, we've NEVER quarantined the healthy. Why have things changed?


I'll tell you this much, the fucking quarantine ain't doing so great for people with psychological issues, it ain't helping those who are alcoholics or drug addicts, it's not helping kids who can't play with their friends. There's a lot more to this than JUST the virus itself and I am not sure Fauci really grasps that.


I'm not of the belief that the virus doesn't exist or anything like that. I AM of the belief that where we find ourselves at this moment is no mistake though.

This is your problem. All or Nothing. Black Or White. It is beyond laughable that you can pretend the world works like that. Nobody is pretending that your eyes are not vulnerable to infection, but you have to again ignore the fact that any barrier worn by someone with the virus is going to lessen the likelihood of droplets reaching another person. You know that, but felt the need to tie yourself in a knot to try and pretend that somehow i must be stupid and you must be an expert. For years i did not think you were stupid, but sorry mate you are really fucking dense. Either that or you are so paranoid about showing any concern for those not in your family that it would make you some kind of commie or socialist that again it is impossible to come to any kind of conclusion then you are really fucking dumb.

Nobody wants to fall out with you and they are giving you acres of goodwill and your response is?

That Doctor bloke doesn't know what he is on about

You are worried about Faucci grasping things. You are grasping fucking straws