Visual Perception.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

[Alpha]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

[Alpha]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

We both see and say "brick" but I don't know what you are seeing, and you don't know what I am seeing. Take the color blue or pink. I don't know if you are seeing the exact same "color" as I am. But we agree it's blue, so some sharing must be there.

What do you think?

[Alpha]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

We both see and say "brick" but I don't know what you are seeing, and you don't know what I am seeing. Take the color blue or pink. I don't know if you are seeing the exact same "color" as I am. But we agree it's blue, so some sharing must be there.

What do you think?

The query becomes, what are objects? How to define objects? How to divide the categories of objects?

Objects are shareable.

Physical Objects (matter, substance, body):
Fixed, planar, level, and plumb, scalar invariant, tangible, figure and extension, (length, area and volume), moves and resists in its constituent parts, figured, colored, hard or soft, that moves or resists, rough or smooth.
Physicals:
Materials
Substances
Corporeal bodies
Rational constructions
Engineer-able

Arithmetic
Euclidean Geometry


Visible Objects (color, figure, extension, signs)
Changing, spherical, great circles & semi-diameters, excess & defect, visible, figure & extension (length, area), colored, visible position
Sensibles:
Of Seeing
Of Hearing
Of Smelling
Of Tasting
Of Touching

Visible Geometry
Perceptions


Mental Objects (objects of thought, concepts, ideas, things signified)
Attachments, attention, perception, beliefs, no shape, no size, nor does they share any other attributes or properties of physicals and/or opticals
Mentals:
Ideas
Concepts
Imagination
Images
Representations

Mathematics (Ratio of quantity)
Language

[NoSavingByTheBell]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

We both see and say "brick" but I don't know what you are seeing, and you don't know what I am seeing. Take the color blue or pink. I don't know if you are seeing the exact same "color" as I am. But we agree it's blue, so some sharing must be there.

What do you think?

The query becomes, what are objects? How to define objects? How to divide the categories of objects?

Objects are shareable.

Physical Objects (matter, substance, body):
Fixed, planar, level, and plumb, scalar invariant, tangible, figure and extension, (length, area and volume), moves and resists in its constituent parts, figured, colored, hard or soft, that moves or resists, rough or smooth.
Physicals:
Materials
Substances
Corporeal bodies
Rational constructions
Engineer-able

Arithmetic
Euclidean Geometry


Visible Objects (color, figure, extension, signs)
Changing, spherical, great circles & semi-diameters, excess & defect, visible, figure & extension (length, area), colored, visible position
Sensibles:
Of Seeing
Of Hearing
Of Smelling
Of Tasting
Of Touching

Visible Geometry
Perceptions


Mental Objects (objects of thought, concepts, ideas, things signified)
Attachments, attention, perception, beliefs, no shape, no size, nor does they share any other attributes or properties of physicals and/or opticals
Mentals:
Ideas
Concepts
Imagination
Images
Representations

Mathematics (Ratio of quantity)
Language

Well those are categories but of what, really, besides the Euclidean geometries? Olfactory sensations and perceptions may or may not indicate a shareable object. Imaginary objects are something in a whole nother can of worms. If I imagine an object, there are no sense perceptions, do you feel the shadows in the cave were objects or just 2nd rate indications of objects?

[SlimTrae]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

On a sensory note molecular wise that is! I wonder if an alien world were to ever contact us and their visual perception isn't just greater in seeing distances like a bird, but sensitive eyes likened to a microscope. Could that be why they won't contact us?
Because we look like a moving massive blob of ever flowing bacterial microbes!!! Eww!!! Those beings residing on that 3rd speck of dirt from their closet ball of gaseous fire are most hideous looking!!