Visual Perception.

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We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

We both see and say "brick" but I don't know what you are seeing, and you don't know what I am seeing. Take the color blue or pink. I don't know if you are seeing the exact same "color" as I am. But we agree it's blue, so some sharing must be there.

What do you think?

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We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

We both see and say "brick" but I don't know what you are seeing, and you don't know what I am seeing. Take the color blue or pink. I don't know if you are seeing the exact same "color" as I am. But we agree it's blue, so some sharing must be there.

What do you think?

The query becomes, what are objects? How to define objects? How to divide the categories of objects?

Objects are shareable.

Physical Objects (matter, substance, body):
Fixed, planar, level, and plumb, scalar invariant, tangible, figure and extension, (length, area and volume), moves and resists in its constituent parts, figured, colored, hard or soft, that moves or resists, rough or smooth.
Physicals:
Materials
Substances
Corporeal bodies
Rational constructions
Engineer-able

Arithmetic
Euclidean Geometry


Visible Objects (color, figure, extension, signs)
Changing, spherical, great circles & semi-diameters, excess & defect, visible, figure & extension (length, area), colored, visible position
Sensibles:
Of Seeing
Of Hearing
Of Smelling
Of Tasting
Of Touching

Visible Geometry
Perceptions


Mental Objects (objects of thought, concepts, ideas, things signified)
Attachments, attention, perception, beliefs, no shape, no size, nor does they share any other attributes or properties of physicals and/or opticals
Mentals:
Ideas
Concepts
Imagination
Images
Representations

Mathematics (Ratio of quantity)
Language

[NoSavingByTheBell]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

We both see and say "brick" but I don't know what you are seeing, and you don't know what I am seeing. Take the color blue or pink. I don't know if you are seeing the exact same "color" as I am. But we agree it's blue, so some sharing must be there.

What do you think?

The query becomes, what are objects? How to define objects? How to divide the categories of objects?

Objects are shareable.

Physical Objects (matter, substance, body):
Fixed, planar, level, and plumb, scalar invariant, tangible, figure and extension, (length, area and volume), moves and resists in its constituent parts, figured, colored, hard or soft, that moves or resists, rough or smooth.
Physicals:
Materials
Substances
Corporeal bodies
Rational constructions
Engineer-able

Arithmetic
Euclidean Geometry


Visible Objects (color, figure, extension, signs)
Changing, spherical, great circles & semi-diameters, excess & defect, visible, figure & extension (length, area), colored, visible position
Sensibles:
Of Seeing
Of Hearing
Of Smelling
Of Tasting
Of Touching

Visible Geometry
Perceptions


Mental Objects (objects of thought, concepts, ideas, things signified)
Attachments, attention, perception, beliefs, no shape, no size, nor does they share any other attributes or properties of physicals and/or opticals
Mentals:
Ideas
Concepts
Imagination
Images
Representations

Mathematics (Ratio of quantity)
Language

Well those are categories but of what, really, besides the Euclidean geometries? Olfactory sensations and perceptions may or may not indicate a shareable object. Imaginary objects are something in a whole nother can of worms. If I imagine an object, there are no sense perceptions, do you feel the shadows in the cave were objects or just 2nd rate indications of objects?

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We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

We both see and say "brick" but I don't know what you are seeing, and you don't know what I am seeing. Take the color blue or pink. I don't know if you are seeing the exact same "color" as I am. But we agree it's blue, so some sharing must be there.

What do you think?

The query becomes, what are objects? How to define objects? How to divide the categories of objects?

Objects are shareable.

Physical Objects (matter, substance, body):
Fixed, planar, level, and plumb, scalar invariant, tangible, figure and extension, (length, area and volume), moves and resists in its constituent parts, figured, colored, hard or soft, that moves or resists, rough or smooth.
Physicals:
Materials
Substances
Corporeal bodies
Rational constructions
Engineer-able

Arithmetic
Euclidean Geometry


Visible Objects (color, figure, extension, signs)
Changing, spherical, great circles & semi-diameters, excess & defect, visible, figure & extension (length, area), colored, visible position
Sensibles:
Of Seeing
Of Hearing
Of Smelling
Of Tasting
Of Touching

Visible Geometry
Perceptions


Mental Objects (objects of thought, concepts, ideas, things signified)
Attachments, attention, perception, beliefs, no shape, no size, nor does they share any other attributes or properties of physicals and/or opticals
Mentals:
Ideas
Concepts
Imagination
Images
Representations

Mathematics (Ratio of quantity)
Language

Well those are categories but of what, really, besides the Euclidean geometries? Olfactory sensations and perceptions may or may not indicate a shareable object. Imaginary objects are something in a whole nother can of worms. If I imagine an object, there are no sense perceptions, do you feel the shadows in the cave were objects or just 2nd rate indications of objects?

So you disagree with how I define objects and how I have divided the categories of objects?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

We are seeing what we are seeing, we are hearing what we are hearing, feeling and smelling and tasting what we are feeling I'm smelling and tasting, BUT.....


BUT.....

They are not indicative of what the objects really are.

So they are objects?

Well I don't really know what an object is because an object is made out of billions of atoms which I just told you are 99.99975% hollow or empty.

What is the essential unit? For me it certainly would not be billions of atoms which form billions of molecules which then form what we think is an object.

If we could get to a unit that we could all agree is the smallest unit then and only then could we say that is an object.

Immutable.

So they split the atom and then they split the subatomic particles and now we are splitting particles smaller than those.

So I don't even know if those can be considered objects.

Is a brick a physical object of our shared objective reality or a mere illusion?

We both see and say "brick" but I don't know what you are seeing, and you don't know what I am seeing. Take the color blue or pink. I don't know if you are seeing the exact same "color" as I am. But we agree it's blue, so some sharing must be there.

What do you think?

The query becomes, what are objects? How to define objects? How to divide the categories of objects?

Objects are shareable.

Physical Objects (matter, substance, body):
Fixed, planar, level, and plumb, scalar invariant, tangible, figure and extension, (length, area and volume), moves and resists in its constituent parts, figured, colored, hard or soft, that moves or resists, rough or smooth.
Physicals:
Materials
Substances
Corporeal bodies
Rational constructions
Engineer-able

Arithmetic
Euclidean Geometry


Visible Objects (color, figure, extension, signs)
Changing, spherical, great circles & semi-diameters, excess & defect, visible, figure & extension (length, area), colored, visible position
Sensibles:
Of Seeing
Of Hearing
Of Smelling
Of Tasting
Of Touching

Visible Geometry
Perceptions


Mental Objects (objects of thought, concepts, ideas, things signified)
Attachments, attention, perception, beliefs, no shape, no size, nor does they share any other attributes or properties of physicals and/or opticals
Mentals:
Ideas
Concepts
Imagination
Images
Representations

Mathematics (Ratio of quantity)
Language

Well those are categories but of what, really, besides the Euclidean geometries? Olfactory sensations and perceptions may or may not indicate a shareable object. Imaginary objects are something in a whole nother can of worms. If I imagine an object, there are no sense perceptions, do you feel the shadows in the cave were objects or just 2nd rate indications of objects?

So you disagree with how I define objects and how I have divided the categories of objects?

No. I just felt those were definitions more of our sense perceptions rather than of the objects we feel we are perceiving

[NoSavingByTheBell]

The categories were good and I'm not saying I disagree. I can understand the logic that you use to make those categories. But the descriptions such as euclidean or planar seem to be more like descriptions of the object rather than indicative of types of objects

Because some objects will have more than one of those parameters or qualities but it doesn't make them more than one object. so I'm not really sure that the description of an object is an indication of the type of object

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