Today In Biden Land

[TitoFan]

Somehow the "Biden Land" thread has turned into another Trump thread.

@El Kabong, I see where you're arguing on many fronts simultaneously. I'd say we all take a collective deep breath and keep things on an even keel.

Once again I value the way you and I couldn't possible disagree more on Donald Trump... and our discussions are heated... yet we manage to maintain our civility and there are no personal insults being thrown about.

One thing I'll say about your views about Trump is that you've been consistent throughout. What you feel today is what you felt back in 2016, etc., etc. I respect a man who sticks to his convictions and doesn't flip-flop like Lindsey Graham.

We're all allowed our preferences and sometimes we forget that.

If you read my last post, it was passionate to be sure. But I needed to dispel the dogged notion that I (speaking only for myself here) base my opinions of Trump simply on CNN talking heads, other media, or hearsay on the street.

I've been steadfast myself in insisting it is Trump's own actions and words that have taken my opinion of him down to negative 1 million on a scale of 1 to 100.

I gave you various examples of where Trump's accomplishments are instead dubious examples of things he's actually screwed up, rather than accomplish anything positive.

I bristled at your insistence that Trump gets a pass because he's a New Yorker because I feel that is as weak an excuse as anyone will ever hear. I use my own example, as being technically a New Yorker, and having family in New York.
It's not a "Get out of Jail Free" card.

A fact that cannot be up for debate is that Trump has managed to create the deepest, widest chasm of a rift in the American public in recorded history. Is that something to be proud of? IMHO, it isn't. It's severely damaging... and much of that damage is sadly irreversible.

The argument that the public has always been divided is akin to saying after a tsunami that the waves are always quite large at the affected part of the coastline. It doesn't wash.

I've even gone as far as saying that had I been able to vote in 2016, I would've voted for Trump. That was the extent to which I disliked and mistrusted Hillary. But I would've had my reservations, because I've never liked Trump even as the piss-poor reality TV star he was before becoming President.

Us in the anti-Trump side come at you with different arguments and styles of arguing. I respect you as a man, an adult, and someone who is obviously intelligent and has his reasons for thinking like he does. But personal insults and attacks should be out of bounds. And THAT... I do not forgive.... er... I mean applaud (must've watched Marlon Brando recently ).

Sorry for the boring rant... but I hope it helps to compartmentalize the backlash you're getting about Trump (in the Biden Land thread ).