Today in Trump

[Kirkland Laing]

End of the day I think this push for another impeachment is a mistake. Now it's more justified than the first imo and he needs to be held accountable but this is the culmination of what was staring us all in the face all along. He has been enabled since day 1. All this does is almost give him, some of the extremist in his cult, a reset right when he was content to sit on his stool and go flaccid. He's right back on stage. It also impedes and handcuffs the incoming administration. The Dems and Trump will prove to have some things in common and one is the huge inability to get out of their own way and grow a lead. I am more concerned at this point with the sitting lawmakers who attempted to void lawful election results and mute millions of voters. Trump is a spent shell but the mindset will linger on.

Biden doesn't want anything to do with the impeachment. They're not going to be able to hold any trial until well after Trump has left office and with the passage of time it'll be impossible to get enough votes for impeachment.

At the same time what else do you do? Trump tried to overthrow the government. You can't not try and do something even though it's not helpful politically. There'll be somebody who comes along after Trump who is as fascist as Trump but who is actually competent. If they think they can do anything they want up to and including overthrow the government and nobody will even attempt to bring charges it's inviting disaster.

The mindset will indeed linger on. The guy who in a few days be the second highest ranking GOP elected official in the country is saying you can't impeach him, if you do it's just going to make our supporters more violent. They're saying let's not bicker and argue about who killed who, we need to unify, and over a hundred and fifty of them voted not to certify the election results.



Maybe if the top GOP officials stopped implicitly threatening violence if the Democrats want to try and hold Trump accountable for attempting a fucking coup and all came out and admitted there was no voter fraud and Trump lost the election fair and square there'd be a path forward here but that isn't going to happen, is it.

There's going to be an explosion of radical white nationalist terrorism over the next few months and years. White people who can't deal with the fact that their country is becoming more diverse and they're losing their place at the top of the tree are being radicalised in their thousands by dangerous extremist leaders and the deluge of craziness on the internet. The hate and the violence are only going to get worse in the future and the GOP are now too scared of their own crazy base to do anything about it. Things do not look good.

Thats where I'm at with it, the fact it'll bleed out beyond a new administration and ultimately we see the same result. Of course it needs to happen and I believe the charge is more than just. But this will maintain a stage and even be turned a 'victory'. Clean cut, let him stew and have no center focus after the 20th. And I wouldn't rule McCarthy out completely if there was more time. Hey the #3 said she's voting. Stand up and be counted or forever risk your name tied to the feared chaos to come.

He did. This has all been a shit storm of the horizon collection pieces from day 1. A lot of people called it out, saw the low ball deceptions and manipulations and basic disregard for anything deemed a pillar norm of this Nation. He's been working to uproot and destabilize key agencies the Pentagon etc and frankly some Conservative principles from day 1. I think we remain a learning Nation and if this reality TV experiment con man has accomplished anything it's open eyes, some sooner than others and with different visions and some for the better. The gig is up and he may very well serve as the inadvertent enima flushing out the Republican Party if it hopes to survive even though he's been the one piling up the shat in the first place. The rhetoric and lies all came to a head. I do not fear that this Country will sleep walk into another delusional fascist after this. The real complicity has been the GOP and the 140+ who whored themselves out and betrayed democracy serving up the self entitled insanity as certainty. They may want to inherit a base but we're in a wake up call right now. And frankly now that his name, literally, is flying over their heads and a massive portion of base is supporting a clear criminal insurrection. That base too will fracture..started a while ago. A lot of these "patriots" are doing a mighty fine job at emulating the 'dreaded Antifa'. And what Republican is clamoring for the homegrown "anti American hey we kinda dig anarchy I guess " vote in the first place. He served his purpose and for that they are now the minority party across the board.

Yeh true, I haven't seen this much open racism, as a cracker myself, since the late 80's. I do steer away from casting the entirety of Trump voters as all racist knuckle draggers. Trump himself sure, but he tapped into discontent, disconnection and the middle man plight too. Millions. And yes absolutely the fear of racial demographic erosion is a part. We as a Country just have to be honest about that and it's why immigration was his crutch imo. The brown menace was a constant. But my man I have faith in us. I really do. Tempers are flaring and we have a hole to dig out of morally and mentally but I do not see us going all streets of Venezuela or all out Red Dawn redux after this week. I don't dismiss extremist who are looking for a do-over. Shit will pop off here and there short term but Trumpism will not be the literal burndown of us.

As far as the impeachment thing goes I think there's going to be a huge amount of stuff that comes out over the next few months that takes peoples' breath away. We only know a fraction of the story. If Trump doesn't end up being found guilty at an impeachment trial then they can ban him from ever holding office again apparently. I think that's what will happen.

An example of what I'm on about:

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/statu...99144288718849


Also:

https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status...57507007827968


As far as America settling down when Biden takes office, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one:

Another GOP House member flew home expecting to be greeted by concerned constituents after he endured the attack last week. Instead, what he and GOP colleagues heard chilled them to the core: “Do you think that Congress got the message?”

There is particular fear among Republicans in Trump-heavy districts who voted against the GOP’s doomed bid to overturn the election results. Many came home last week to find constituents — preachers, school superintendents, churchgoing men and women — cheering on the effort rather than condemning it, according to multiple GOP lawmakers.
“Both parties have extremists,” said the GOP lawmaker. “There's a difference in our crazy people and their crazy people. Our crazy people have an excessive amount of arms. They have gun safes. They have grenades. They believe in the Second Amendment. They come here and Trump's made them think this is the Alamo.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...l-riots-457868


Fox news is mainly to blame for this and people who can't put things in context. All these people were fed years of propaganda about Obama and how he was going to destroy America and they spent eight years terrorised by Fox and talk radio and all the rest of it. You would think Sleepy Joe wouldn't be so easy to demonise what with him not being a Kenyan Muslim and having a decades long record of moderate non socialist behaviour. Just you watch. Just give it a month or three after the election and see where we're at. Even if Fox did feel bad about how theyhandled Obama then Trump they've permanently radicalised their base now to such an extent they can't step back or the base will just switch to Newsmax or something equally crazy that will tell them what they want to hear. I really do think things are going to get a lot worse.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

[Kirkland Laing]

https://twitter.com/jorge_guajardo/s...72748585381889

America snubbed by Luxembourg. Four years of Trump and Luxembourg turn you down. It's so small I drove past it once and I was looking for it.


The latest with the pardon situation:

https://twitter.com/DraperRobert/sta...91625054343168


Trump must be absolutely terrified about losing legal immunity and the power to keep his records away from the prosecutors. I bet every day now the Oval Office is like that scene from Downfall that gets parodied. Speaking of which we 're due one of them at least no? They have so much material to work with.


2021 politics:

https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/st...74076279713793



They've closed the Washington Monument due to threats from right-wing American extremists. Not al-Qaeda. Not the Taliban. Not ISIS. American right-wing extremists.

https://twitter.com/DefenseBaron/sta...88180644630529



Jeremiah Johnson prophesied Trump would win in 2020, got it wrong, and apologized -- noting that Trump was prideful and the church wrongly put Trump on a pedestal. Look at this message. This is what happened. The sickness is in the church real and widespread. I've seen this also:

https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/sta...05892994420749




"The problem is they were complicit in The Big Lie," @SenToomey
says of House Republicans, including @GOPLeader
, who went along with the idea that President Trump might have won the election


https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1348276471182336001


https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/stat...52784532250626





But as senators and House members trapped inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday begged for immediate help during the siege, they struggled to get through to the president, who — safely ensconced in the West Wing — was too busy watching fiery TV images of the crisis unfolding around them to act or even bother to hear their pleas.

“He was hard to reach, and you know why? Because it was live TV,” said one close Trump adviser. “If it’s TiVo, he just hits pause and takes the calls. If it’s live TV, he watches it, and he was just watching it all unfold.”

Even as he did so, Trump did not move to act. And the message from those around him — that he needed to call off the angry mob he had egged on just hours earlier, or lives could be lost — was one to which he was not initially receptive.

“It took him awhile to appreciate the gravity of the situation,” Graham said in an interview. “The president saw these people as allies in his journey and sympathetic to the idea that the election was stolen.”

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6d6_story.html

[walrus]

https://twitter.com/jorge_guajardo/s...72748585381889

America snubbed by Luxembourg. Four years of Trump and Luxembourg turn you down. It's so small I drove past it once and I was looking for it.


The latest with the pardon situation:

https://twitter.com/DraperRobert/sta...91625054343168


Trump must be absolutely terrified about losing legal immunity and the power to keep his records away from the prosecutors. I bet every day now the Oval Office is like that scene from Downfall that gets parodied. Speaking of which we 're due one of them at least no? They have so much material to work with.


2021 politics:

https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/st...74076279713793



They've closed the Washington Monument due to threats from right-wing American extremists. Not al-Qaeda. Not the Taliban. Not ISIS. American right-wing extremists.

https://twitter.com/DefenseBaron/sta...88180644630529



Jeremiah Johnson prophesied Trump would win in 2020, got it wrong, and apologized -- noting that Trump was prideful and the church wrongly put Trump on a pedestal. Look at this message. This is what happened. The sickness is in the church real and widespread. I've seen this also:

https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/sta...05892994420749




"The problem is they were complicit in The Big Lie," @SenToomey
says of House Republicans, including @GOPLeader
, who went along with the idea that President Trump might have won the election


https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1348276471182336001


https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/stat...52784532250626





But as senators and House members trapped inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday begged for immediate help during the siege, they struggled to get through to the president, who — safely ensconced in the West Wing — was too busy watching fiery TV images of the crisis unfolding around them to act or even bother to hear their pleas.

“He was hard to reach, and you know why? Because it was live TV,” said one close Trump adviser. “If it’s TiVo, he just hits pause and takes the calls. If it’s live TV, he watches it, and he was just watching it all unfold.”

Even as he did so, Trump did not move to act. And the message from those around him — that he needed to call off the angry mob he had egged on just hours earlier, or lives could be lost — was one to which he was not initially receptive.

“It took him awhile to appreciate the gravity of the situation,” Graham said in an interview. “The president saw these people as allies in his journey and sympathetic to the idea that the election was stolen.”

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6d6_story.html

Hmmmm a lot of Twitter there, what’s going on with Twitter lately

[Master]

Ask Trump what is going on on twitter.

Oh yes, I forgot he was taken off it.

[El Kabong]

Ask Trump what is going on on twitter.

Oh yes, I forgot he was taken off it.

And that means WHAT exactly for you?



Have you even bothered to think that far ahead? Did YOU elect Jack Dorsey? Did YOU vote for Mark Zuckerberg? I sure as shit didn't and them removing not only President Trump's personal account but locking the @potus account too....that doesn't bode well for ANYONE in the future.



Look at Hong Kong. That's coming for all of us and you don't care just so long as Trump gets it first?

[El Kabong]

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.

He never called for violence, he never called to "breach the Capitol" he said they would "peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol and cheer on Senators and Congressmen.....and some not so much"


But no no tell me what someone SAID Trump said instead of telling me what Trump himself said.


You've been provided with any number of Democrats calling for ACTUAL violence and making excuses for REAL riots and your response is

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.

He never called for violence, he never called to "breach the Capitol" he said they would "peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol and cheer on Senators and Congressmen.....and some not so much"


But no no tell me what someone SAID Trump said instead of telling me what Trump himself said.


You've been provided with any number of Democrats calling for ACTUAL violence and making excuses for REAL riots and your response is

Low IQ Geraldo doesnt wrap his "mind" around those arguments. He's actually much worse than Kirkland.

[TitoFan]

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.

He never called for violence, he never called to "breach the Capitol" he said they would "peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol and cheer on Senators and Congressmen.....and some not so much"


But no no tell me what someone SAID Trump said instead of telling me what Trump himself said.


You've been provided with any number of Democrats calling for ACTUAL violence and making excuses for REAL riots and your response is

Low IQ Geraldo doesnt wrap his "mind" around those arguments. He's actually much worse than Kirkland.

So I assume you're still on the "Flop" stage of your flip-flopping?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.

He never called for violence, he never called to "breach the Capitol" he said they would "peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol and cheer on Senators and Congressmen.....and some not so much"


But no no tell me what someone SAID Trump said instead of telling me what Trump himself said.


You've been provided with any number of Democrats calling for ACTUAL violence and making excuses for REAL riots and your response is

So true @El Kabong So true. Frightening brainwashing and messaging. And I will defend Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution "Section 1 provides that each state chooses members of the Electoral College in a manner directed by each state's respective legislature, with the states granted electors equal to their combined representation in both houses of Congress."

State election commissioned pushed thru illegal changes WITHOUT the legislatures, so many DIFFERENT changes, without complying with the law....

If we allow that to slide, then we no longer have a Constitution. Just skip it, fuck it, let Whitmer and Kemp and Doocey decide from now on, and let the fear of doxxing and surrounding your house at night by angry leftwing mobs like they did in Michigan with those 2 officials who held off on certifying due to what they saw as fraud and illegality. Its mob rule now. Its 1917. Its Cancel Culture. Erase them from history. Put them on no-fly lists. Demonetize them.

Defending the Constitution and voting for whomever, is apples and oranges. Mutually exclusive. But that takes more than a double digit IQ to fathom.

[TitoFan]

Spare us all the lessons in a document you barely understand, much less correctly interpret. Your empty, meaningless, ludicrous, baseless accusations of illegal changes to the way States used the Electoral College in this election are as ridiculous as every other single post you've ever made. This includes all your bullshit predictions (which, I might add, have NEVER come to fruition). So do us all a favor and crawl back into the bottle you crawled into after the elections... and take your loss like a man. Unless of course you decide to "flip-flop" again and emerge once again as a Trump hater. We just can't keep up.

[El Kabong]

Brockton didn't even support Trump, but I believe he is concerned about election integrity. I voted for Trump and I'm concerned about election integrity and in 2016-2017 several Democrats were concerned about election integrity. The SOLE difference between Brock, myself, and Democrats being concerned with election integrity is that the Democrats claims some way some how got investigated for 4 years and meanwhile I'm sitting here and I'm not asking for a full investigation utilizing the FBI & illegally obtained FISA warrants and impeachment for a perfectly normal phone call....all I'm asking is.....

1. What's this? 2. How many other places did this happen? 3. Why won't anyone answer these seemingly simple questions?


4. Does THAT look transparent? Does THAT look like just your "average day at the polls"?




I get it though, I do. People want Donald Trump gone. Do we know why? Do THEY know why? I can't help but think the news cycle plays a large role and that the mainstream media pumped out 92+% negative coverage of Trump 24/7 for 4 years straight and people are "tired of all the negativity".



Right now the Democrats are attempting to impeach President Trump a second time. They know full well that President Trump will be out of office by then, but several have said they "want to keep Trump from ever running for elected office again" like he's the same as some Confederate Officer or some shit. That has me the slightest bit puzzled, if they're "about unity" if they want a "truly United States" then why respond in such a punitive manner? If this is the case now then why was Bernie Sanders not punished more harshly for the shooting of Steve Scalise? Why does Maxine Waters et al get off scot-free for her ACTUAL LITERAL calls for violence & rioting?

Also if Joe Biden just truly won 81+ million votes to Trump's meager 75 million why are they so worried? Why the Iraq War like haste to impeach? Does this fill anyone with confidence in the Democrats?




I think they're attempting to close the lid & bury something before it can come to light and I think it's not going to be great for a great many in politics and that's on both sides. But maybe I'm wrong, Kirkland will tell me I'm wrong I am certain of it.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Skinnered.

[walrus]

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.

He never called for violence, he never called to "breach the Capitol" he said they would "peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol and cheer on Senators and Congressmen.....and some not so much"


But no no tell me what someone SAID Trump said instead of telling me what Trump himself said.


You've been provided with any number of Democrats calling for ACTUAL violence and making excuses for REAL riots and your response is

If he had called for violence the media would be using the words in the opening of every newscast. The narrative we are being fed about an insurrection is bullshit. This is not excusing any violence or death but we are all equal under the law, allegedly, the capitol should be viewed legally the same as every business that was looted and burnt all summer. The manufactured outrage after months of silence and excusing deliberate violent actions are complete bullshit. It’s all wrong. I don’t support the idiots who did it but look at burning cities then look at people taking selfies. The violent element against the capitol was preplanned. People didn’t hear a speech, go home, make Molotov cocktails and return. They were there and ready for business. If you live here you get a better understanding of how shit works. If you rely on the media holy shit what a lopsided one way shit show.

[El Kabong]

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job.

He never called for violence, he never called to "breach the Capitol" he said they would "peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol and cheer on Senators and Congressmen.....and some not so much"


But no no tell me what someone SAID Trump said instead of telling me what Trump himself said.


You've been provided with any number of Democrats calling for ACTUAL violence and making excuses for REAL riots and your response is

If he had called for violence the media would be using the words in the opening of every newscast. The narrative we are being fed about an insurrection is bullshit. This is not excusing any violence or death but we are all equal under the law, allegedly, the capitol should be viewed legally the same as every business that was looted and burnt all summer. The manufactured outrage after months of silence and excusing deliberate violent actions are complete bullshit. It’s all wrong. I don’t support the idiots who did it but look at burning cities then look at people taking selfies. The violent element against the capitol was preplanned. People didn’t hear a speech, go home, make Molotov cocktails and return. They were there and ready for business. If you live here you get a better understanding of how shit works. If you rely on the media holy shit what a lopsided one way shit show.

If his own words could be spun to fit THAT narrative you're Goddamn right they'd be using those clips!


But what do you get? You get people like Stephen Colbert saying 'I'm not going to play what Trump said, because (insert emotions here) but here's what he said but from my mouth and you can trust me can't you'



What people are constantly fed about Trump vs what Trump says are very different things and the "very fine people" event should have handled that, but I guarantee you there's still people on this site who believe he called Nazis & White Supremacists "very fine people" and if you find yourself to be one of those people, congratulations you're fucking dumb.

[El Kabong]

tHeRe'S No sUCh thInG aS vOTeR fRaUd guys


https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/ag-p...ested-charged/