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    Newsflash:

    Correlation does not prove causation

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    Sad times that the general pop cannot comprehend that you cannot legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two events or variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them. It will fail in every court of law. I distinctly remember during several pre-law classes at Rutgers College in New Brunswick, New Jersey that this is an all-too-common error in thinking and basically falls square into the category of a questionable-cause logical fallacy.

    Sorry to burst the general population's bubble about that. Hopefully they study the concepts well and master them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    Sad times that the general pop cannot comprehend that you cannot legitimately deduce a cause-and-effect relationship between two events or variables solely on the basis of an observed association or correlation between them. It will fail in every court of law. I distinctly remember during several pre-law classes at Rutgers College in New Brunswick, New Jersey that this is an all-too-common error in thinking and basically falls square into the category of a questionable-cause logical fallacy.

    Sorry to burst the general population's bubble about that. Hopefully they study the concepts well and master them.

    What a crock of shit.

    You are presenting well documented facts with checkable timelines and mountains of evidence as though they were fanciful invented notions. Your own argument is a fallacy in and of itself .

    There is ample evidence to prove both factual and legal causation and to prosecute on the basis of both conduct and result crimes.

    Nobody has to prove that Trump actions and words caused the rioting. All they have to establish is that without his months ..in fact..years of words and actions that the rioting would not have happened. That fact is pretty indisputable.


    FACTUAL CAUSATION - But for the repeated actions of Trump urging on unrest the attack would not have happened.

    You are pretending that this is some psuedo scientific ignorance like The Bell Curve when the reality is the words and actions of Trump inspired crimes all over your country.

    El Kabong's long standing lie" There is no such thing as Hate Speech "

    is not defense at all.

    Words are everything. The entire legal system and your countries constitution relies on the power of words.

    It is not everyone else in the public who is ignorant, it is you and El Kabong and all the other fucking YouTube legal experts who have not spent even one day working in a system that they have no respect for anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    El Kabong's long standing lie" There is no such thing as Hate Speech "
    Not really what I said, but close enough. I don't believe in it, and I don't think speech should be legislated at all. People should speak freely, all people.

    I don't believe in hate crimes either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    El Kabong's long standing lie" There is no such thing as Hate Speech "
    Not really what I said, but close enough. I don't believe in it, and I don't think speech should be legislated at all. People should speak freely, all people.

    I don't believe in hate crimes either.
    Thanks for confirming what an entitled privileged arsehole you are.

    You will likely never have to deal with being at the sharp end of it (hate speech) or being a victim of it (hate crime), but for most decent people that is still no reason to deny its existence or impact upon millions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Thanks for confirming what an entitled privileged arsehole you are.

    You will likely never have to deal with being at the sharp end of it (hate speech) or being a victim of it (hate crime), but for most decent people that is still no reason to deny its existence or impact upon millions.
    I didn't know believing in literal EQUALITY made me entitled and privileged? That's super impressive.

    No, I know I won't, because I don't believe in it.



    Who do 'hate speech' and 'hate crime' laws protect? Why do we have them? I'll be impressed if you answer at all, but if you're bright then you should already know where this is going and if you do I don't reckon you will respond.


    There should be 1 set of laws for ALL people because we are ALL equal as humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Thanks for confirming what an entitled privileged arsehole you are.

    You will likely never have to deal with being at the sharp end of it (hate speech) or being a victim of it (hate crime), but for most decent people that is still no reason to deny its existence or impact upon millions.
    I didn't know believing in literal EQUALITY made me entitled and privileged? That's super impressive.

    No, I know I won't, because I don't believe in it.



    Who do 'hate speech' and 'hate crime' laws protect? Why do we have them? I'll be impressed if you answer at all, but if you're bright then you should already know where this is going and if you do I don't reckon you will respond.


    There should be 1 set of laws for ALL people because we are ALL equal as humans.
    Don't be so naive and stupid of course we are not all equal.

    This is what i mean about the idealogical nonsense you have been shoving down everyones throats here for years. You try and bend the world around your own stupidity rather than make the effort to educate yourself.

    Being deserving of equal respect is not the same thing as being equal. Just more of your simplistic PC nonsense. Men and Women are not equal. Adults and Children are not equal. An Employer and an Employee are not equal. A disabled person and an able bodied person are not equal.

    You try telling somebody in a wheelchair, don't worry about the 40 steps up to the entrance to the building, because we are all equal. We are not equal and people have for years made any excuse to avoid facing that. It matters not that Universal access benefits able bodied people too. Parents with puchchairs, delivery personnel with trolleys, elderly people with mobility issues, all end up with one less barrier when ramps and alternative to steps are included but all over the world buildings are still going up under the premise that it is not something that needs to be considered. That is what your kind of reductive reasoning is responsible for.

    You are pretending that crimes carried out against people for things they have no control over should not be evaluated at all, and that the kind of hate speech that normalised those kind of crimes be ignored too.

    So no queer or Paki bashing, No such thing as racist stereotyping as far as you are concerned? No wonder you think nothing of saying thing like Spergy bastard yourself . No wonder that TIC feels emboldened by you giving him the green light to adopt it and Freedoms constant sick antisemitism did not even raise an eyebrow from you.

    I know it exists because i spent over ten years involved in legal cases prosecuting it. I know like many what it is like to deal with people staring at those i love every day as though they were freaks, that is an uncomfortable fact you seem unwilling to process, but it is a fact just the same.

    What you believe seems to have very little in common with the real world or reality at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
    Thanks for confirming what an entitled privileged arsehole you are.

    You will likely never have to deal with being at the sharp end of it (hate speech) or being a victim of it (hate crime), but for most decent people that is still no reason to deny its existence or impact upon millions.
    I didn't know believing in literal EQUALITY made me entitled and privileged? That's super impressive.

    No, I know I won't, because I don't believe in it.



    Who do 'hate speech' and 'hate crime' laws protect? Why do we have them? I'll be impressed if you answer at all, but if you're bright then you should already know where this is going and if you do I don't reckon you will respond.


    There should be 1 set of laws for ALL people because we are ALL equal as humans.
    See kabong I think we run the same on that one. The Supreme Court has already ruled hate speech is protected speech. Just because we don’t like it or agree with it doesn’t mean it should be gotten rid of. Plus we see what politicians, the media and social media determine is hate speech. Gives them too much power. Also hate crimes, and I’m guessing here not trying to put words in your mouth, but hate crimes can be horrid and I am against the act of inflecting violence on someone due to sexual preference etc. I’m just not in favor of the legislature and judiciary adding additional punishments to crimes that have been on the books for decades and longer. We are supposed to be punished once for a crime we commit (supposed to be doesn’t really work out that way.) so this is not about supporting hate crimes, it’s just wanting to see the respective branches of government respect their spots. I also already said a while back when the Supreme Court backed thus shit they are the law of the land and this is how it is now. Doesn’t mean I have to agree 100% with them all the time, shoot they have reversed themselves (shit I forget how many times) gotta look it up.

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