Name a time in history it was the good guys banning books

[Spicoli]

It's odd though as any company choosing to limit or discontinue certain films books etc are really proving shortsighted. I mean if you pull Dumbo on stereotypes what of the overall message these convey in the first place? It's kneecapping original intent and a proven platform in the name of society on whole being able to look back years later and admit..yeh, I can see that can be an issue. But it's like throwing the baby out with the bath water to quote my Granny ma from way back . What did kids take from a Dumbo, pro animal rights and cruelty, anti greed and corruption, don't rely on booze or substance or you may trip balls and see rainbow colored elephants. I cannot recall what else it's been a few decades . And the thing is they do multiple remakes of these same films and are fully capable or 'correcting' or modernizing ? the content. Did Tim Burton have crows ffs? The market and avenue can tend to itself and in doing so educate. I still think much of this is overblown if we're talking a literal "ban" on a lot of what is mentioned. I was looking for old almanacs just Monday and they tried to set my up with free Candice Owens on audio book. Show me Government banning..problem. Show me businesses..that's how the ball bounces.

[El Kabong]

[NoSavingByTheBell]

you know pure evil is in the world when it tells you that YOU are gaslighting when THEY are gaslighting; you know true evil is in this world when it tells you that YOU are projecting when in fact THEY are projecting.

[Spicoli]

That is interesting, stuff makes you flashback to how many have been banned, censored and 'cancelled' since the inception of open opinions and platforms. Long before social media. So he's of the mind that you cannot be a target of cancel culture if you're rich-well known? In the JK Rowling response. Didn't know that. Just seems to a lot of this is made up on the fly and geared to funnel cultural societal outrage. But it does get you thinking.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I cannot think of one single book that I would ban were I in charge.

[Gandalf]

I cannot think of one single book that I would ban were I in charge.

For sure, no book should ever be banned. I find the Bible preposterous, but you do not ban it. I find Mein Kampf to be somewhat unhinged, but you do not ban it. Dickens played to stereotypes, but you don't ban him. Shakespeare did the same, but you do not ban him. Nothing should be banned and everything permitted when it comes to literature.

It boils down to you. Do you want to read it or not? It is all up to you. The funny thing about these images is that they are not offensive and Asians I have spoken to about it have either shrugged or laughed at it. As I said to you, kids comic books drawn by Asians for Asians have the same kinds of images. There is just none of this po faced 'How bad is it to show ourselves as caricature' nonsense going on in the West.

Look at kids comics back home. Characters are by their nature caricatures with big ears, goofy teeth etc. So what, right?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

right, but tell that to the cultural marxist word police.

[Gandalf]

right, but tell that to the cultural marxist word police.

I am not joining Twitter. It is a freak show.

[Spicoli]

I remember when "they" banned A Light in The Attic and Lord of The Flies in school and pulled every single D&D, Dragon mag out of the library. The first thing we did...ran to buy them at the local used book shop.

They even called some kids in to see the counselor when they saw them playing D&D at lunch

[Spicoli]

right, but tell that to the cultural marxist word police.

Do you realize how much of this shat has been done by Religious morality hammering zealots. Books, music, films etc near and afar.. it's unreal.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

right, but tell that to the cultural marxist word police.

Do you realize how much of this shat has been done by Religious morality hammering zealots. Books, music, films etc near and afar.. it's unreal.

oh absolutely. I followed the Frank Zappa Senate Hearings in the 80's I think it was, who were grilling him on "Ship Arriving Late To Save A Drowning Witch" album for its use of whips & chains sounds and images. It was the GOP who were all over his ass that afternoon. I know it aint just the left, its everybody. But cultural marxists like Mao and the New Age versions are def going big into this stuff now, doubling down.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Spicoli, it was a mix of right and left: The committee was founded by four women: Tipper Gore, wife of Senator and later Vice President Al Gore; Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker; Pam Howar, wife of Washington realtor Raymond Howar; and Sally Nevius, wife of former Washington City Council Chairman John Nevius. They were known as the "Washington wives" -- a reference to their husbands' connections with government in the Washington, D.C. area. In August 1985, 19 record companies agreed to put "Parental Guidance: Explicit Lyrics" labels on albums to warn of explicit lyrical content. Before the labels could be put into place, the Senate agreed to hold a hearing on so-called "porn rock".

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

A fair question to ask is why now. Dr. Seuss books have been around for about 80-some years. Why now? I think I know the answer to that... but it's still worth pondering.

Why is it that something that's been around 80-some years is only NOW deemed offensive?

Ditto for Aunt Jemima... ditto for MR. Potato Head... ditto for any number of things/brands/titles/etc. that used to pass for inoffensive, harmless shit.

If it's all economics, wasn't there money to be made beforehand?

Besides... the money is made when shit has to be repackaged/republished/rereleased/etc, etc, etc.

My question is why is it all suddenly offensive NOW?

The weight of public opinion has finally shifted far enough so that an economically significant number of people see these images as racist and would be unlikely to buy any more Seuss books. Kind of like how you don't get circus or fair freak shows anymore.

[El Kabong]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.

A fair question to ask is why now. Dr. Seuss books have been around for about 80-some years. Why now? I think I know the answer to that... but it's still worth pondering.

Why is it that something that's been around 80-some years is only NOW deemed offensive?

Ditto for Aunt Jemima... ditto for MR. Potato Head... ditto for any number of things/brands/titles/etc. that used to pass for inoffensive, harmless shit.

If it's all economics, wasn't there money to be made beforehand?

Besides... the money is made when shit has to be repackaged/republished/rereleased/etc, etc, etc.

My question is why is it all suddenly offensive NOW?

The weight of public opinion has finally shifted far enough so that an economically significant number of people see these images as racist and would be unlikely to buy any more Seuss books. Kind of like how you don't get circus or fair freak shows anymore.

Because the freak shows are now free

[Spicoli]

Spicoli, it was a mix of right and left: The committee was founded by four women: Tipper Gore, wife of Senator and later Vice President Al Gore; Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker; Pam Howar, wife of Washington realtor Raymond Howar; and Sally Nevius, wife of former Washington City Council Chairman John Nevius. They were known as the "Washington wives" -- a reference to their husbands' connections with government in the Washington, D.C. area. In August 1985, 19 record companies agreed to put "Parental Guidance: Explicit Lyrics" labels on albums to warn of explicit lyrical content. Before the labels could be put into place, the Senate agreed to hold a hearing on so-called "porn rock".

Yeh that was pure classic and the literal definition of speaking truth to power. Leave it to Government to unify artist from East West coasts and all points in between. Dee Snider was a great closer and pretty much left ol Al Gore with his big foot in his own mouth. Hindsight is 20-20 but truth is it's stunning how much society buckled to that era and dictatorial moral authority directly from the Oval office and chambers of Congress. In recent memory this has to be the absolute closest and a direct example of Politicians, the Federal Gov actively working to censor and ban across the board. 4 were married to current lawmakers 3 of whom sat on the very Committee that would consider a blank cass tax. They said it was about a warning sticker for parents but it went so much further. An artist who was slapped with that sticker would/could be banned from live performances in multiple Cities. Stations fined and record labels 'assessed' on content. These clowns wanted to instruct the where, when, how and even if small retail could display and sell the product. Ol Tipper directly influenced and called for the jailing of Jello Biafra based on an "offensive" poster they included in the Frakenchrist album. Dude was criminally prosecuted after she chimed in to the law and legislators in Ca ffs. Ask Ice T about cancel culture before the keyboard movements came along .