Name a time in history it was the good guys banning books

[Gandalf]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

[Beanz]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

That is wilfull misrepresentation of the truth. Seuss was himself mature enough to grow and stop calling the character a Chinaman and realise that completing the stereotype with slanty eyes and a triangle hat was actually selling himself short. Nobody but you fibbers are complaining about just the depiction of chopsticks.

This is where an actual example of a moderate response by a private company or estate bring met by what is let's be honest and not mince words.. An extremist almost communist desire to tell individuals and companies what to do by very bored people on the right.

The mural is staying, with only that character replaced, and the majority of the book series will remain.

Freedom of speech and expression it seems does not extend in your eyes to those who refuse to stand still and watch the world move on.

[Gandalf]

My mother in law works in the fields with a traditional covering for the head, has oriental eyes, and uses chopsticks. Kinda normal, old boy. Out here in brochures whitey often has exaggerated round eyes and a pointy nose.

Do me and my mother in law not somewhat fit those stereotypes? Of course we do and no harm is done and the world is just fine.

[Beanz]

My mother in law works in the fields with a traditional covering for the head, has oriental eyes, and uses chopsticks. Kinda normal, old boy. Out here in brochures whitey often has exaggerated round eyes and a pointy nose.

Do me and my mother in law not somewhat fit those stereotypes? Of course we do and no harm is done and the world is just fine.

What you are basically saying then is that unless you yourself are offended it doesn't matter what any else thinks? You never address the substance of anything, just surface level virtue signalling and no real engagement with anything but your own inflated opinion. It is a growing trend here on the forum. It is almost like people don't want to discuss or debate anything just use it as a soapbox. Now you have people boasting about not reading others posters or claiming they use too man words, or calling them boy as though that were some kind of alternative to engaging with them.

It has nothing to do with you does it? It is a private company and the people who own the rights to a reputation they are trying to honour. You just want to tell other people what to do.

Which ironically is the exact thing your are bitching about

[Beanz]

How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.


Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc

[Gandalf]

How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.


Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc

Why are you making it into a left and right issue? Is teaching kids about sex really about left wing or right wing?

[Spicoli]

Off the top, the fact we have elected House leaders reading them on camera is pretty idiotic. Americans can be sad. It's like we're in a race to prove who is politically more desperate and pathetic. Government officials should not be calling for and advocating for any 'books' to be removed from the free market and I really don't see that as happening here. But man do we have available the dates when these 6 titles were first released? I know the Mulberry one was his very first title in 1937. Talking about China and Japanese that was a helluva brutal time. I think this may be a small part of this Country just admitting and owning..yeh, we've come a long way from some real wrongs done in our name. Have you ever taken a look at years and years of wartime propaganda thought up, created and released by the US Government at the same time? It was absolutely savage with depictions of Asians namely Japanese. Look if the company sees fit to discontinue the availability then so be it. But I do think we don't give kids enough credit for thinking for themselves and defining themselves. It's not a healthy investment to try to 'soft land' every single aspect of what they are exposed to often done to score political chuckles and talking points. Kids gotta learn man. I do remember flipping through many a Dr. Suess title when growing up in the 70's and I can say I never once thought "hahaha look at the funny slant eyes". Honestly I was too busy sneaking a peak at my old mans Easy Rider and OUI mags looking for boobs and reading all of the Time Life WWII almanacs literally depicting Japanese as fanged tooth yellow rats. This is really a non issue.

[Beanz]

How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.


Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc

Why are you making it into a left and right issue? Is teaching kids about sex really about left wing or right wing?

Because while of course people right across the political spectrum can be over eager to ban stuff, historically it has been the conservative right who have been far more eager to ban stuff. That is undeniable.

I don't understand this stupid desire to pretend to be playing Devil's advocate on behalf of very well accepted mainstream groups. It is baffling and odd.

Right wing conservative groups across the world, largely influenced by religious beliefs, be that Fundamentalist Christians, Orthodox Jews or Conservative Muslims have all been at the forefront of opposing sex education even before Gay rights etc were included. They did not want even the mechanics of reproduction or contraception discussed because ignorance of those things is what keeps their flocks in line. The left historically have kicked against that kind of control. You know this but you have adopted this weird alt right virtue signalling persona that demands you deny it .

[Kirkland Laing]

How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.


Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc

Elvis Presley
The Beatles
The Stones
et cetera.

[El Kabong]

How short people's memories are..just off the top of my head these are some things the conservative right have called to be cancelled and banned.


Harry Potter (Demonic)
Judas Priest ( Satanic when played backwards)
The Simpsons (anti-Christian)
D&D (Satanic)
Teletubbies (Gay propaganda)
Disney's Frozen (Peterson the bellend insisting it was Feminist propaganda)
Angry Femninsts
Anti Fascism
Even very straightforward sex education in schools
Teaching Evolution
Kosher Food
etc, etc

Wishful thinking from very small populations having little to no impact vs books being banned outright.


And it ain't "Conservatives" seeking to ban Tom Sawyer or To Kill a Mockingbird either.


It's all very silly business

[Gandalf]

My mother in law works in the fields with a traditional covering for the head, has oriental eyes, and uses chopsticks. Kinda normal, old boy. Out here in brochures whitey often has exaggerated round eyes and a pointy nose.

Do me and my mother in law not somewhat fit those stereotypes? Of course we do and no harm is done and the world is just fine.

What you are basically saying then is that unless you yourself are offended it doesn't matter what any else thinks? You never address the substance of anything, just surface level virtue signalling and no real engagement with anything but your own inflated opinion. It is a growing trend here on the forum. It is almost like people don't want to discuss or debate anything just use it as a soapbox. Now you have people boasting about not reading others posters or claiming they use too man words, or calling them boy as though that were some kind of alternative to engaging with them.

It has nothing to do with you does it? It is a private company and the people who own the rights to a reputation they are trying to honour. You just want to tell other people what to do.

Which ironically is the exact thing your are bitching about

What substance? Stop sidetracking and get back to the oriental image. What is offensive about a farmers hat that protects from the sun? What is offensive about oriental eyes? What is offensive about chopsticks? What is offensive about traditional clothes that are usually worn on special occasions?

Who and what are you arguing on behalf of? It is so silly. I share my life with Asians and brought this up when my wife was chatting to her sister yesterday. They found it strange that it was even a topic. We joke about differences in appearance quite casually. I am big nose and they have smaller eyes. Again, so what? I can use chopsticks. Stop the clocks. Lordy.

[Beanz]

I am arguing on behalf of honesty and your argument is fundamentally dishonest. You as usual are cherry picking, moving the goal posts and deflecting in order to not admit you just jumped on the bandwagon instead of thinking for yourself.

[Gandalf]

I don't think you are being honest if you do not think East Asians look Oriental and it somehow has to be purged. My honesty is in disagreeing with you and telling you that real East Asians I know are laugh at it even being an issue. There is nothing wrong with chopsticks, traditional clothing or eye shape. Kids will draw things the same way. I say this as a man who is attracted to the East.

Another case in point are the masks made by Koreans sold in Myeong Dong. They typically depict small eyes and do look a bit strange. Obviously they are a caricature. They look like this and I have bought such items as gifts. Is this racist because of the eye form and element of the grotesque? Should we ban them too? 'Darn squinty eyes' pleadeth Lord Beanz. 'Racist!'

http://www.antiquealive.com/store/de...ngban-Hahoetal

I just disagree with you and have pointed out that caricature works both ways and you even see it in government leaflets here. It does not matter.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

It is all so ridiculous really. Who exactly among the Asian community was offended by this? I just asked my Vietnamese friend in NYC literally 10 minutes ago about this, and he was laughing his ass off. He said he "cannot imagine why the Western World would consider those images offensive to Asian people." He then said he feels proud about it! The opposite of what the Pearl-Clutching, Fainting-Couch Crowd feels! Always side-splittingly hilarious when white people want to tell other white people that Asian people are offended by this or that. ASK THE ASIAN PEOPLE, MAYBE

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirkland, is an Asian person using chopsticks racist? I am happy to go to a restaurant, take a picture, and send the world into meltdown.

Doesn't matter what I think or what you think. The Seuss estate is what matters. They will have spent money working out exactly what in the books is offensive to an economically significant part of the American population and acted on that. This is down to the economic power of enough people to move the needle who would be offended by the stuff now not for sale. This is entirely down to dollars.

You can bet every publisher is now feverishly going through their back catalogue desperately hoping to find some racist stuff in some of the books they used to sell truckloads of copies of buy now hardly sell any. They'll be conspiring with public relations companies on the best way to make withdrawing this stuff public so that conservative media go nuts over it and they sell truckloads of books.

To be fair they won't have to try hard. Cancel culture stuff is about ninety nine percent of the GOP agenda and conservative media these days. Lots of dollars to be made by smart publishers here. We haven't heard the last of this.