George Floyd murdered by cops

[TitoFan]

Wait aren’t we waiting on the trial to finish and the jury to make the call. If the jury does not deliver a guilty verdict are we gonna burn shit down? Does the jury have access to facts we don’t or do we use Twitter to make these calls. I’m mean we kinda know how the Twitter algorithms lean. If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty. Damn there is always the hung jury right, to we burn shit down if the jury can’t agree to a verdict and he is tried again or do we wait till he’s tried again snd see. Shit if he is guilty we burn shit in happiness like a World Series win. I guess in that regard it a win win. As long as shit burns. Fuck me, Twitter. It’s like a poison. Keep feeding people the shit the they agree with.

"If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty."

Insightful.

Yeah I know. The justice system... due process... presumption of innocence unless proven guilty... blah, blah, blah.

Thousands upon thousands of public funds spent in a weeks-long trial... of a case where half a dozen cameras were pointed at the murder from several different vantage points.

Cameras with sound, whose videos clearly show Floyd pleading "I can't breathe!" over and over... until he stops breathing.

In the Court of TitoFan, the process would go something like this:

"Has the jury seen every video submitted as evidence?"

"Has the medical examiner determined the exact cause of death?"

"Was Floyd already dead when Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck?"

"Ok. Jury... go huddle for half an hour... and come back with your guilty verdict... so I can pass sentence and go home. I have a Minnesota Timberwolves game I gotta watch tonight."

[walrus]

Wait aren’t we waiting on the trial to finish and the jury to make the call. If the jury does not deliver a guilty verdict are we gonna burn shit down? Does the jury have access to facts we don’t or do we use Twitter to make these calls. I’m mean we kinda know how the Twitter algorithms lean. If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty. Damn there is always the hung jury right, to we burn shit down if the jury can’t agree to a verdict and he is tried again or do we wait till he’s tried again snd see. Shit if he is guilty we burn shit in happiness like a World Series win. I guess in that regard it a win win. As long as shit burns. Fuck me, Twitter. It’s like a poison. Keep feeding people the shit the they agree with.

"If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty."

Insightful.

Yeah I know. The justice system... due process... presumption of innocence unless proven guilty... blah, blah, blah.

Thousands upon thousands of public funds spent in a weeks-long trial... of a case where half a dozen cameras were pointed at the murder from several different vantage points.

Cameras with sound, whose videos clearly show Floyd pleading "I can't breathe!" over and over... until he stops breathing.

In the Court of TitoFan, the process would go something like this:

"Has the jury seen every video submitted as evidence?"

"Has the medical examiner determined the exact cause of death?"

"Was Floyd already dead when Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck?"

"Ok. Jury... go huddle for half an hour... and come back with your guilty verdict... so I can pass sentence and go home. I have a Minnesota Timberwolves game I gotta watch tonight."

Due process blah blah blah. I’m just saying we are almost at the end. Now everyone on twatter is a lawyer. I made my views clear a while back. Will you accept the juries verdict regardless or do you think you know better if you disagree with the outcome. Did you convict the guy 100%

[TitoFan]

Wait aren’t we waiting on the trial to finish and the jury to make the call. If the jury does not deliver a guilty verdict are we gonna burn shit down? Does the jury have access to facts we don’t or do we use Twitter to make these calls. I’m mean we kinda know how the Twitter algorithms lean. If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty. Damn there is always the hung jury right, to we burn shit down if the jury can’t agree to a verdict and he is tried again or do we wait till he’s tried again snd see. Shit if he is guilty we burn shit in happiness like a World Series win. I guess in that regard it a win win. As long as shit burns. Fuck me, Twitter. It’s like a poison. Keep feeding people the shit the they agree with.

"If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty."

Insightful.

Yeah I know. The justice system... due process... presumption of innocence unless proven guilty... blah, blah, blah.

Thousands upon thousands of public funds spent in a weeks-long trial... of a case where half a dozen cameras were pointed at the murder from several different vantage points.

Cameras with sound, whose videos clearly show Floyd pleading "I can't breathe!" over and over... until he stops breathing.

In the Court of TitoFan, the process would go something like this:

"Has the jury seen every video submitted as evidence?"

"Has the medical examiner determined the exact cause of death?"

"Was Floyd already dead when Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck?"

"Ok. Jury... go huddle for half an hour... and come back with your guilty verdict... so I can pass sentence and go home. I have a Minnesota Timberwolves game I gotta watch tonight."

Due process blah blah blah. I’m just saying we are almost at the end. Now everyone on twatter is a lawyer. I made my views clear a while back. Will you accept the juries verdict regardless or do you think you know better if you disagree with the outcome. Did you convict the guy 100%

Honest answer? No.

I won't accept the jury's verdict if he's found not guilty.

Nothing I can do about it... but I won't accept it.

Will I personally riot? Hell no.

Do I think riots would be warranted if Chauvin gets off on some technicality or the jury's blind, deaf, and dumb? Sure... why not.

It is what it is. Had there been no video, Chauvin would be walking the streets today, probably as a cop having served a suspension.

Even with videos from every angle, we're still watching a weeks-old trial.

Justice is important. But mockery of justice is not a good thing.

[walrus]

Wait aren’t we waiting on the trial to finish and the jury to make the call. If the jury does not deliver a guilty verdict are we gonna burn shit down? Does the jury have access to facts we don’t or do we use Twitter to make these calls. I’m mean we kinda know how the Twitter algorithms lean. If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty. Damn there is always the hung jury right, to we burn shit down if the jury can’t agree to a verdict and he is tried again or do we wait till he’s tried again snd see. Shit if he is guilty we burn shit in happiness like a World Series win. I guess in that regard it a win win. As long as shit burns. Fuck me, Twitter. It’s like a poison. Keep feeding people the shit the they agree with.

"If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty."

Insightful.

Yeah I know. The justice system... due process... presumption of innocence unless proven guilty... blah, blah, blah.

Thousands upon thousands of public funds spent in a weeks-long trial... of a case where half a dozen cameras were pointed at the murder from several different vantage points.

Cameras with sound, whose videos clearly show Floyd pleading "I can't breathe!" over and over... until he stops breathing.

In the Court of TitoFan, the process would go something like this:

"Has the jury seen every video submitted as evidence?"

"Has the medical examiner determined the exact cause of death?"

"Was Floyd already dead when Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck?"

"Ok. Jury... go huddle for half an hour... and come back with your guilty verdict... so I can pass sentence and go home. I have a Minnesota Timberwolves game I gotta watch tonight."

Due process blah blah blah. I’m just saying we are almost at the end. Now everyone on twatter is a lawyer. I made my views clear a while back. Will you accept the juries verdict regardless or do you think you know better if you disagree with the outcome. Did you convict the guy 100%

Honest answer? No.

I won't accept the jury's verdict if he's found not guilty.

Nothing I can do about it... but I won't accept it.

Will I personally riot? Hell no.

Do I think riots would be warranted if Chauvin gets off on some technicality or the jury's blind, deaf, and dumb? Sure... why not.

It is what it is. Had there been no video, Chauvin would be walking the streets today, probably as a cop having served a suspension.

Even with videos from every angle, we're still watching a weeks-old trial.

Justice is important. But mockery of justice is not a good thing.

Well that’s fine. I think it looked like murder. But I don’t have all the facts. A video yeah. Would I say someone is 100% guilty by that, no, there may be more evidence that needs to be looked at. For all I know it may make the cop look worse. Maybe not though. It may be blah blah blah but I’ll take to due process thing when available

[Master]

Why does it have to be a unanimous decision for a guilty verdict and not just a majority? Seems like a unnecessary high bar.

[TitoFan]

Why does it have to be a unanimous decision for a guilty verdict and not just a majority? Seems like a unnecessary high bar.

Fair question, and one I'm sure has been asked privately many times.

[Kirkland Laing]

Why does it have to be a unanimous decision for a guilty verdict and not just a majority? Seems like a unnecessary high bar.

Because that's what the Supreme Court ruled a while ago. What it means in practice is that the defence in a case like this just has to get one Fox News/angry white person type admitted to the jury and then hire an "expert witness*" to say that the murderer didn't really commit murder and that gives the Fox News juror the leeway to claim they have reasonable doubt as to whether the murderer did in fact commit the murder we can see being committed on the videotape of the murder. That's all it takes.


*There are "expert witnesses" who have some vague credentials to comment on incidents like this and they can make a good living going round the country testifying in trials like this. They're just there to give one person on the jury an excuse to have reasonable doubt, for a nice fee.

[TitoFan]

Wait aren’t we waiting on the trial to finish and the jury to make the call. If the jury does not deliver a guilty verdict are we gonna burn shit down? Does the jury have access to facts we don’t or do we use Twitter to make these calls. I’m mean we kinda know how the Twitter algorithms lean. If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty. Damn there is always the hung jury right, to we burn shit down if the jury can’t agree to a verdict and he is tried again or do we wait till he’s tried again snd see. Shit if he is guilty we burn shit in happiness like a World Series win. I guess in that regard it a win win. As long as shit burns. Fuck me, Twitter. It’s like a poison. Keep feeding people the shit the they agree with.

"If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty."

Insightful.

Yeah I know. The justice system... due process... presumption of innocence unless proven guilty... blah, blah, blah.

Thousands upon thousands of public funds spent in a weeks-long trial... of a case where half a dozen cameras were pointed at the murder from several different vantage points.

Cameras with sound, whose videos clearly show Floyd pleading "I can't breathe!" over and over... until he stops breathing.

In the Court of TitoFan, the process would go something like this:

"Has the jury seen every video submitted as evidence?"

"Has the medical examiner determined the exact cause of death?"

"Was Floyd already dead when Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck?"

"Ok. Jury... go huddle for half an hour... and come back with your guilty verdict... so I can pass sentence and go home. I have a Minnesota Timberwolves game I gotta watch tonight."

Due process blah blah blah. I’m just saying we are almost at the end. Now everyone on twatter is a lawyer. I made my views clear a while back. Will you accept the juries verdict regardless or do you think you know better if you disagree with the outcome. Did you convict the guy 100%

Honest answer? No.

I won't accept the jury's verdict if he's found not guilty.

Nothing I can do about it... but I won't accept it.

Will I personally riot? Hell no.

Do I think riots would be warranted if Chauvin gets off on some technicality or the jury's blind, deaf, and dumb? Sure... why not.

It is what it is. Had there been no video, Chauvin would be walking the streets today, probably as a cop having served a suspension.

Even with videos from every angle, we're still watching a weeks-old trial.

Justice is important. But mockery of justice is not a good thing.

Well that’s fine. I think it looked like murder. But I don’t have all the facts. A video yeah. Would I say someone is 100% guilty by that, no, there may be more evidence that needs to be looked at. For all I know it may make the cop look worse. Maybe not though. It may be blah blah blah but I’ll take to due process thing when available

How many more facts do you need? At this point you're just regurgitating the standard answer to all crimes where it should be a slam dunk but are dragged anyway in the name of "justice." It's why criminals are more brazen in their acts even when they know they're being filmed (aka.. Chauvin)..... because they know that blah blah blah is going to buy them some time until they get off on a technicality.

If you're fine with that, you're totally within your rights.

[walrus]

Wait aren’t we waiting on the trial to finish and the jury to make the call. If the jury does not deliver a guilty verdict are we gonna burn shit down? Does the jury have access to facts we don’t or do we use Twitter to make these calls. I’m mean we kinda know how the Twitter algorithms lean. If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty. Damn there is always the hung jury right, to we burn shit down if the jury can’t agree to a verdict and he is tried again or do we wait till he’s tried again snd see. Shit if he is guilty we burn shit in happiness like a World Series win. I guess in that regard it a win win. As long as shit burns. Fuck me, Twitter. It’s like a poison. Keep feeding people the shit the they agree with.

"If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty."

Insightful.

Yeah I know. The justice system... due process... presumption of innocence unless proven guilty... blah, blah, blah.

Thousands upon thousands of public funds spent in a weeks-long trial... of a case where half a dozen cameras were pointed at the murder from several different vantage points.

Cameras with sound, whose videos clearly show Floyd pleading "I can't breathe!" over and over... until he stops breathing.

In the Court of TitoFan, the process would go something like this:

"Has the jury seen every video submitted as evidence?"

"Has the medical examiner determined the exact cause of death?"

"Was Floyd already dead when Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck?"

"Ok. Jury... go huddle for half an hour... and come back with your guilty verdict... so I can pass sentence and go home. I have a Minnesota Timberwolves game I gotta watch tonight."

Due process blah blah blah. I’m just saying we are almost at the end. Now everyone on twatter is a lawyer. I made my views clear a while back. Will you accept the juries verdict regardless or do you think you know better if you disagree with the outcome. Did you convict the guy 100%

Honest answer? No.

I won't accept the jury's verdict if he's found not guilty.

Nothing I can do about it... but I won't accept it.

Will I personally riot? Hell no.

Do I think riots would be warranted if Chauvin gets off on some technicality or the jury's blind, deaf, and dumb? Sure... why not.

It is what it is. Had there been no video, Chauvin would be walking the streets today, probably as a cop having served a suspension.

Even with videos from every angle, we're still watching a weeks-old trial.

Justice is important. But mockery of justice is not a good thing.

Well that’s fine. I think it looked like murder. But I don’t have all the facts. A video yeah. Would I say someone is 100% guilty by that, no, there may be more evidence that needs to be looked at. For all I know it may make the cop look worse. Maybe not though. It may be blah blah blah but I’ll take to due process thing when available

How many more facts do you need? At this point you're just regurgitating the standard answer to all crimes where it should be a slam dunk but are dragged anyway in the name of "justice." It's why criminals are more brazen in their acts even when they know they're being filmed (aka.. Chauvin)..... because they know that blah blah blah is going to buy them some time until they get off on a technicality.

If you're fine with that, you're totally within your rights.

Have you ever not been able to breathe? Did you ever tell someone “I can’t breathe” when you couldn’t? I worked at restaurants when I was in school, did the hiemlic once on a customer my boss did it to another. It was a steak house, the poor bastards were choking on steak. I’ll tell you they could note talk. I wonder about that. Maybe we should just shoot the cop though ship the trial

[TitoFan]

Wait aren’t we waiting on the trial to finish and the jury to make the call. If the jury does not deliver a guilty verdict are we gonna burn shit down? Does the jury have access to facts we don’t or do we use Twitter to make these calls. I’m mean we kinda know how the Twitter algorithms lean. If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty. Damn there is always the hung jury right, to we burn shit down if the jury can’t agree to a verdict and he is tried again or do we wait till he’s tried again snd see. Shit if he is guilty we burn shit in happiness like a World Series win. I guess in that regard it a win win. As long as shit burns. Fuck me, Twitter. It’s like a poison. Keep feeding people the shit the they agree with.

"If he is guilty he is guilty. If not guilty he is not guilty."

Insightful.

Yeah I know. The justice system... due process... presumption of innocence unless proven guilty... blah, blah, blah.

Thousands upon thousands of public funds spent in a weeks-long trial... of a case where half a dozen cameras were pointed at the murder from several different vantage points.

Cameras with sound, whose videos clearly show Floyd pleading "I can't breathe!" over and over... until he stops breathing.

In the Court of TitoFan, the process would go something like this:

"Has the jury seen every video submitted as evidence?"

"Has the medical examiner determined the exact cause of death?"

"Was Floyd already dead when Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's neck?"

"Ok. Jury... go huddle for half an hour... and come back with your guilty verdict... so I can pass sentence and go home. I have a Minnesota Timberwolves game I gotta watch tonight."

Due process blah blah blah. I’m just saying we are almost at the end. Now everyone on twatter is a lawyer. I made my views clear a while back. Will you accept the juries verdict regardless or do you think you know better if you disagree with the outcome. Did you convict the guy 100%

Honest answer? No.

I won't accept the jury's verdict if he's found not guilty.

Nothing I can do about it... but I won't accept it.

Will I personally riot? Hell no.

Do I think riots would be warranted if Chauvin gets off on some technicality or the jury's blind, deaf, and dumb? Sure... why not.

It is what it is. Had there been no video, Chauvin would be walking the streets today, probably as a cop having served a suspension.

Even with videos from every angle, we're still watching a weeks-old trial.

Justice is important. But mockery of justice is not a good thing.

Well that’s fine. I think it looked like murder. But I don’t have all the facts. A video yeah. Would I say someone is 100% guilty by that, no, there may be more evidence that needs to be looked at. For all I know it may make the cop look worse. Maybe not though. It may be blah blah blah but I’ll take to due process thing when available

How many more facts do you need? At this point you're just regurgitating the standard answer to all crimes where it should be a slam dunk but are dragged anyway in the name of "justice." It's why criminals are more brazen in their acts even when they know they're being filmed (aka.. Chauvin)..... because they know that blah blah blah is going to buy them some time until they get off on a technicality.

If you're fine with that, you're totally within your rights.

Have you ever not been able to breathe? Did you ever tell someone “I can’t breathe” when you couldn’t? I worked at restaurants when I was in school, did the hiemlic once on a customer my boss did it to another. It was a steak house, the poor bastards were choking on steak. I’ll tell you they could note talk. I wonder about that. Maybe we should just shoot the cop though ship the trial

OMG you're right!

Floyd should've told Chauvin.... "My breathing is being severely restricted due to the undue pressure you're applying to my neck with your knee, thus partially blocking my air passages."

Genius!

Chauvin should've hired you instead.

[TitoFan]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/12/u...egy/index.html

"Derek Chauvin's defense is using these 3 arguments to try to get an acquittal in George Floyd's death"


First off, I apologize in advance. This being a CNN article and all. I know CNN is the devil incarnate... and nothing they say is accurate and unbiased.

In my defense, this appears to be an informational article, merely stating the 3 arguments being used by Chauvin's defense team. You could probably gather as much by watching the telecast of the trial.



Ok... now on to the defense arguments:

"The defense's primary argument is that Floyd's death was not due to Chauvin's actions but happened for other medical reasons. The defense has emphasized Floyd's drug use, his initial resistance to officers and his preexisting heart problems."


As a juror, I wouldn't give a flying fuck WHAT underlying conditions Floyd had. He could've been well on his way to dying the following DAY of a heart attack while lying on his bed, pumped up on drugs. The unadorned fact of the matter is that Chauvin's actions directly resulted (even as an additional factor) in Floyd's death. End of story. You don't let a murderer off the hook because his victim just happened to have a terminal illness and would've died soon anyway. It's a bullshit defense.

Next...


"This theory argues that police use of force can look horrifying on bystander video, but that it's a necessary part of the job for police officers."


Wha?? Police use of force (even resulting in death) is unattractive... but it's a necessary part of the job of police officers?? Dayam... this one's even worse than the first one. "It's ok folks. Police brutality looks terrible... but it's a necessary part of the job. Sort of a blank check, if you will. Move on... nothing to see here." More bullshit.

Next...


"A third defense theory is that bystanders who frantically called for Chauvin to get off Floyd were potential threats and distracted him from caring for Floyd."


This one's my personal favorite. Probably one of the still hazy facts and blah blah blah that @walrus is now so fond of mentioning. Unfortunately for the defense and for Chauvin, there's even a BODY CAM video pointed directly at the bystanders (presumably from one of the cops, maybe even Chauvin himself) which if anything show a lack of action (just pleading) by bystanders as a human being is being murdered right in front of their unbelieving faces.

Potential threats?? HAHAHAHAHA!! This one alone should provide a moment of levity and humor as the trial wraps up its pathetic run. Yeah... Chauvin looked really threatened as he glared back at the cell phones with that White Supremacist, smug, "WTF you gonna do about it" look on his face. His facial expressions and body language alone would be enough for me to throw the book at him.



This is all bullshit. Chauvin needs to quickly be found guilty of the most serious charges leveled against him... and the judge needs to hand out an appropriately harsh sentence. One that will send a clear message to these lousy, rotten apple, racist cops that their power trips are not welcome and will be met with the entire weight of the law.

Anything short of that would be a travesty of justice.




P.S. - blah blah blah

[walrus]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/12/u...egy/index.html

"Derek Chauvin's defense is using these 3 arguments to try to get an acquittal in George Floyd's death"


First off, I apologize in advance. This being a CNN article and all. I know CNN is the devil incarnate... and nothing they say is accurate and unbiased.

In my defense, this appears to be an informational article, merely stating the 3 arguments being used by Chauvin's defense team. You could probably gather as much by watching the telecast of the trial.



Ok... now on to the defense arguments:

"The defense's primary argument is that Floyd's death was not due to Chauvin's actions but happened for other medical reasons. The defense has emphasized Floyd's drug use, his initial resistance to officers and his preexisting heart problems."


As a juror, I wouldn't give a flying fuck WHAT underlying conditions Floyd had. He could've been well on his way to dying the following DAY of a heart attack while lying on his bed, pumped up on drugs. The unadorned fact of the matter is that Chauvin's actions directly resulted (even as an additional factor) in Floyd's death. End of story. You don't let a murderer off the hook because his victim just happened to have a terminal illness and would've died soon anyway. It's a bullshit defense.

Next...


"This theory argues that police use of force can look horrifying on bystander video, but that it's a necessary part of the job for police officers."


Wha?? Police use of force (even resulting in death) is unattractive... but it's a necessary part of the job of police officers?? Dayam... this one's even worse than the first one. "It's ok folks. Police brutality looks terrible... but it's a necessary part of the job. Sort of a blank check, if you will. Move on... nothing to see here." More bullshit.

Next...


"A third defense theory is that bystanders who frantically called for Chauvin to get off Floyd were potential threats and distracted him from caring for Floyd."


This one's my personal favorite. Probably one of the still hazy facts and blah blah blah that @walrus is now so fond of mentioning. Unfortunately for the defense and for Chauvin, there's even a BODY CAM video pointed directly at the bystanders (presumably from one of the cops, maybe even Chauvin himself) which if anything show a lack of action (just pleading) by bystanders as a human being is being murdered right in front of their unbelieving faces.

Potential threats?? HAHAHAHAHA!! This one alone should provide a moment of levity and humor as the trial wraps up its pathetic run. Yeah... Chauvin looked really threatened as he glared back at the cell phones with that White Supremacist, smug, "WTF you gonna do about it" look on his face. His facial expressions and body language alone would be enough for me to throw the book at him.



This is all bullshit. Chauvin needs to quickly be found guilty of the most serious charges leveled against him... and the judge needs to hand out an appropriately harsh sentence. One that will send a clear message to these lousy, rotten apple, racist cops that their power trips are not welcome and will be met with the entire weight of the law.

Anything short of that would be a travesty of justice.




P.S. - blah blah blah

Oh you can say blah blah blah I just find it funny when attached to the legal system

[Kirkland Laing]

Here is how the rest of the totally fine and not needing any kind of reform Minnesota police have been dealing with the protests over the other police shooting last week:

https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/sta...88637746507783


https://twitter.com/RainbowOfRed/sta...24289542905870



https://twitter.com/RainbowOfRed/sta...31368232017922



https://twitter.com/RainbowOfRed/sta...32194686115842

[Kirkland Laing]

Here is how the rest of the totally fine and not needing any kind of reform Minnesota police have been dealing with the protests over the other police shooting last week:

https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/sta...88637746507783


https://twitter.com/RainbowOfRed/sta...24289542905870



https://twitter.com/RainbowOfRed/sta...31368232017922



https://twitter.com/RainbowOfRed/sta...32194686115842

Do you speak English? Just perfect.