The flip side to the George Floyd mess

[Kirkland Laing]

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They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.

Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.

This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.

[TitoFan]

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They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.

Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.

This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.

Well... I won't speak for the majority, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I'll only speak for myself. An organization such as BLM, with a worthy cause, IMO does itself no favors by lumping the Ma'Khia Bryants of the world in with the George Floyds, etc. The lack of discernment is appalling. Maybe not to you... maybe not to that "mushy suburban middle" you mention... but to me... and I can assure you I'm not alone in my thought process.

No one, save for the twisted fucks on the extreme right, denies the existence of a problem regarding the treatment of blacks by white cops. But again... IMHO... the lack of discernment causes problems in that it provides cannon fodder for the twisted fucks when they say "See?? There's your BLM at work." Right or wrong is besides the point. The point is no effort is being made to weed out the instances where the police DID have just cause to use deadly force.

BLM has doubled down on its defense of Ma'Khia and condemnation of the police officer. More understandable was the gut reaction of a LeBron James, who out of frustration made Reardon a target on Twitter. Tellingly, he took the Tweet down and backed off somewhat apologetically after being harshly called out on that. But as time passes and BLM continues broad-brushing the issue... they lose credibility with folks like me, who admittedly do not belong to that "mushy suburban middle."

[Kirkland Laing]

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They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.

Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.

This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.

Well... I won't speak for the majority, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I'll only speak for myself. An organization such as BLM, with a worthy cause, IMO does itself no favors by lumping the Ma'Khia Bryants of the world in with the George Floyds, etc. The lack of discernment is appalling. Maybe not to you... maybe not to that "mushy suburban middle" you mention... but to me... and I can assure you I'm not alone in my thought process.

No one, save for the twisted fucks on the extreme right, denies the existence of a problem regarding the treatment of blacks by white cops. But again... IMHO... the lack of discernment causes problems in that it provides cannon fodder for the twisted fucks when they say "See?? There's your BLM at work." Right or wrong is besides the point. The point is no effort is being made to weed out the instances where the police DID have just cause to use deadly force.

BLM has doubled down on its defense of Ma'Khia and condemnation of the police officer. More understandable was the gut reaction of a LeBron James, who out of frustration made Reardon a target on Twitter. Tellingly, he took the Tweet down and backed off somewhat apologetically after being harshly called out on that. But as time passes and BLM continues broad-brushing the issue... they lose credibility with folks like me, who admittedly do not belong to that "mushy suburban middle."

I'm not speaking for the majority either. I'm speculating on what the majority of people will do given various circumstances.

If BLM continue to take positions that even the majority of racial justice supporters find too fringy or out of whack then they'll lose support. But that doesn't matter. The racial justice issue isn't going to go away until there's some semblance of racial justice. Somebody, whether it's BLM or other groups/people will be the people who advocate for and articulate the demands of the vast majority of people who support racial justice. Exactly who does this, whether it's BLM or somebody else, doesn't matter.

[TitoFan]

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They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.

Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.

This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.

Well... I won't speak for the majority, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I'll only speak for myself. An organization such as BLM, with a worthy cause, IMO does itself no favors by lumping the Ma'Khia Bryants of the world in with the George Floyds, etc. The lack of discernment is appalling. Maybe not to you... maybe not to that "mushy suburban middle" you mention... but to me... and I can assure you I'm not alone in my thought process.

No one, save for the twisted fucks on the extreme right, denies the existence of a problem regarding the treatment of blacks by white cops. But again... IMHO... the lack of discernment causes problems in that it provides cannon fodder for the twisted fucks when they say "See?? There's your BLM at work." Right or wrong is besides the point. The point is no effort is being made to weed out the instances where the police DID have just cause to use deadly force.

BLM has doubled down on its defense of Ma'Khia and condemnation of the police officer. More understandable was the gut reaction of a LeBron James, who out of frustration made Reardon a target on Twitter. Tellingly, he took the Tweet down and backed off somewhat apologetically after being harshly called out on that. But as time passes and BLM continues broad-brushing the issue... they lose credibility with folks like me, who admittedly do not belong to that "mushy suburban middle."

I'm not speaking for the majority either. I'm speculating on what the majority of people will do given various circumstances.

If BLM continue to take positions that even the majority of racial justice supporters find too fringy or out of whack then they'll lose support. But that doesn't matter. The racial justice issue isn't going to go away until there's some semblance of racial justice. Somebody, whether it's BLM or other groups/people will be the people who advocate for and articulate the demands of the vast majority of people who support racial justice. Exactly who does this, whether it's BLM or somebody else, doesn't matter.

That... I have no issues with... and I'm glad it's not going away this time. George Floyd may have been the "straw that broke the camel's back"... but he certainly wasn't the first, and it was frustrating for people like me, watching from the sidelines, to have this never ending parade of abusive, racist police thugs have their way with their version of "justice" and the black people they abused.

Too many times a new incident would begin the predictable cycle of hand-wringing and promises when in the end nothing of substance was done. Kinda like the mass shooting problem. Until that issue produces the proverbial "straw", it'll be hand-wringing and promises galore. Although now with a Democratic President the needle might budge a bit toward the middle.

[Kirkland Laing]

[QUOTE=TitoFan;1574178][QUOTE=Kirkland Laing;1574167][QUOTE=TitoFan;1574020]

They don't make up the whole spectrum. Let's put BLM at the left edge of the spectrum or out that way to some extent. The events of last summer pushed the mushy suburban middle of the spectrum firmly over into BLM support. BLM was literally twicw as popular as Trump last summer with two in three Americans supporting it. If on some issue of the day moderate voters are ending up en masse at the left end of the spectrum then something extremely fucked up must be happening at the right end of the spectrum.

Now BLM may eventually put their foot in it with support or backing for various issues and future situations that turn a lot of supporters away from it. It may become discredited in the eyes of the majority of Americans and lose its agency with the public. But as long as things are still fucked up at the right end of the spectrum people will gravitate to a person, persons, organisation or organisations who can articulate their peaceful opposition to the fucked up situation on the right and their desire to see change happen.

This whole mass racial justice movement is still in its infancy and it'll take a while to see how it shakes out. Today's leaders/spokesmen may well not be tomorrow's.

Well... I won't speak for the majority, because I don't feel qualified to do so. I'll only speak for myself. An organization such as BLM, with a worthy cause, IMO does itself no favors by lumping the Ma'Khia Bryants of the world in with the George Floyds, etc. The lack of discernment is appalling. Maybe not to you... maybe not to that "mushy suburban middle" you mention... but to me... and I can assure you I'm not alone in my thought process.

No one, save for the twisted fucks on the extreme right, denies the existence of a problem regarding the treatment of blacks by white cops. But again... IMHO... the lack of discernment causes problems in that it provides cannon fodder for the twisted fucks when they say "See?? There's your BLM at work." Right or wrong is besides the point. The point is no effort is being made to weed out the instances where the police DID have just cause to use deadly force.

BLM has doubled down on its defense of Ma'Khia and condemnation of the police officer. More understandable was the gut reaction of a LeBron James, who out of frustration made Reardon a target on Twitter. Tellingly, he took the Tweet down and backed off somewhat apologetically after being harshly called out on that. But as time passes and BLM continues broad-brushing the issue... they lose credibility with folks like me, who admittedly do not belong to that "mushy suburban middle."

I'm not speaking for the majority either. I'm speculating on what the majority of people will do given various circumstances.

If BLM continue to take positions that even the majority of racial justice supporters find too fringy or out of whack then they'll lose support. But that doesn't matter. The racial justice issue isn't going to go away until there's some semblance of racial justice. Somebody, whether it's BLM or other groups/people will be the people who advocate for and articulate the demands of the vast majority of people who support racial justice. Exactly who does this, whether it's BLM or somebody else, doesn't matter.

That... I have no issues with... and I'm glad it's not going away this time. George Floyd may have been the "straw that broke the camel's back"... but he certainly wasn't the first, and it was frustrating for people like me, watching from the sidelines, to have this never ending parade of abusive, racist police thugs have their way with their version of "justice" and the black people they abused.

Too many times a new incident would begin the predictable cycle of hand-wringing and promises when in the end nothing of substance was done. Kinda like the mass shooting problem. Until that issue produces the proverbial "straw", it'll be hand-wringing and promises galore. Although now with a Democratic President the needle might budge a bit toward the middle.

It's going to take more George Floyd type incidents before anything substantial actually changes.

[TitoFan]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updat...n/?id=78469886


So Derek Chauvin got sentenced to 22 1/2 years for the murder of George Floyd. It's not the 30 years the prosecution was asking for... but it's a hefty enough sentence that it should both appease Floyd's family members... and also send a much needed message to unfit cops everywhere that this type of shit will not be tolerated.

[Spicoli]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updat...n/?id=78469886


So Derek Chauvin got sentenced to 22 1/2 years for the murder of George Floyd. It's not the 30 years the prosecution was asking for... but it's a hefty enough sentence that it should both appease Floyd's family members... and also send a much needed message to unfit cops everywhere that this type of shit will not be tolerated.

Not sure of the minimum but he'll maybe do 15ish from what I gather. What I take most from this is that throughout the pre and post trial, testimony etc next to no one, former or active same Department carried his banner and "case". As the song goes though 1 down 3 to go on this one though. That calling bullshat and pulling rank within the ranks needs to translate to the cops on the street in similar instances. Right there, on the spot blue wall be damned.