Who’s had the vaccine ? Side effects ?

[TitoFan]

titofan has had the vaxx. so i would assume he believes covid is real. so he is starting from that bias. he is free to believe what he wants but that is not proof of how he knows that belief is true.

I also stated months ago that I became ill on November of 2020. I had attended a wedding where many people came from stateside, and several members of my family got sick.

I had a fever that lasted a week and a half... something I had never had before.

I lost my senses of smell and taste... something I had never had before.

Coincidentally, fever and losses of taste and smell had long been mentioned as symptoms of COVID-19.

I was tested with the PCR test, the accepted method for COVID testing at the time, and the results came back positive.

It was only in February and March of last year that I decided to become vaccinated.



So you see... to say that upon vaccination, "that's when I started from that bias"... is an incorrect statement on numerous counts.

To be clear, I'm not trying to convince you to change your opinions regarding COVID and the vaccines.

You have a right to believe whatever you want... just like I have a right to keep to my beliefs.

[TIC]

titofan has had the vaxx. so i would assume he believes covid is real. so he is starting from that bias. he is free to believe what he wants but that is not proof of how he knows that belief is true.

I also stated months ago that I became ill on November of 2020. I had attended a wedding where many people came from stateside, and several members of my family got sick.

I had a fever that lasted a week and a half... something I had never had before.

I lost my senses of smell and taste... something I had never had before.

Coincidentally, fever and losses of taste and smell had long been mentioned as symptoms of COVID-19.

I was tested with the PCR test, the accepted method for COVID testing at the time, and the results came back positive.

It was only in February and March of last year that I decided to become vaccinated.



So you see... to say that upon vaccination, "that's when I started from that bias"... is an incorrect statement on numerous counts.

To be clear, I'm not trying to convince you to change your opinions regarding COVID and the vaccines.

You have a right to believe whatever you want... just like I have a right to keep to my beliefs.

you had the vaxx because you believe covid is real. that is the bias you are starting with. instead of starting your investigation from what you know to be true. you do have the right to believe what you want. i'm only interested in claims that can be proven to be true. i'm not trying to convince anyone of anything either. i am merely trying to point out the different between knowing & believing

[Beanz]

TIC what you have repeatedly been doing is lying.

You claim to be trying to tell us all the difference between knowing and believing and yet when asked what that is, you fail to articulate it clearly.

What experience have you had of isolating a virus and testing it in a lab?
Do you accept the fact that there are thousands in fact probably millions of people in the world whose expertise in this field far exceeds our own?

And again why do you not accept the long accepted scientific method of asking a question

How is covid transmitted?

Then you researching that question.
Looking at existing virus transmission and creating the hypothesis that like the flu, covid is passed by droplets.

You then test this hypothesis and find out that actually that doesn't seem to be completely born out by the experiments and data, and that actually it seems the new covid virus is dangerous when both aerosols and droplets containing large amounts of the live virus are present in the air.

That is why superspreader events occur and why masks are useful in slowing the chances of them occuring.

What you are asking everyone to do is to ignore the scientific method and trust faith and believe in you or themselves and other people with no expertise, ignoring science, experiments, data, real world experience and knowledge.

[TIC]

TIC what you have repeatedly been doing is lying.

You claim to be trying to tell us all the difference between knowing and believing and yet when asked what that is, you fail to articulate it clearly.

What experience have you had of isolating a virus and testing it in a lab?
Do you accept the fact that there are thousands in fact probably millions of people in the world whose expertise in this field far exceeds our own?

And again why do you not accept the long accepted scientific method of asking a question

How is covid transmitted?

Then you researching that question.
Looking at existing virus transmission and creating the hypothesis that like the flu, covid is passed by droplets.

You then test this hypothesis and find out that actually that doesn't seem to be completely born out by the experiments and data, and that actually it seems the new covid virus is dangerous when both aerosols and droplets containing large amounts of the live virus are present in the air.

That is why superspreader events occur and why masks are useful in slowing the chances of them occuring.

What you are asking everyone to do is to ignore the scientific method and trust faith and believe in you or themselves and other people with no expertise, ignoring science, experiments, data, real world experience and knowledge.

the difference between knowing & believing is that everyone knows a claim to be true & can test the claim themselves & prove it true. like reducing the temperature of water to turn it into ice. so called experts are not your seven times larry. you & i are talking remember. what others have allegedly done is not what you have done, it is just you putting your faith in what others have told you. i am asking you directly larry, what scientific method did you use to isolate convid?

[Beanz]

TIC what you have repeatedly been doing is lying.

You claim to be trying to tell us all the difference between knowing and believing and yet when asked what that is, you fail to articulate it clearly.

What experience have you had of isolating a virus and testing it in a lab?
Do you accept the fact that there are thousands in fact probably millions of people in the world whose expertise in this field far exceeds our own?

And again why do you not accept the long accepted scientific method of asking a question

How is covid transmitted?

Then you researching that question.
Looking at existing virus transmission and creating the hypothesis that like the flu, covid is passed by droplets.

You then test this hypothesis and find out that actually that doesn't seem to be completely born out by the experiments and data, and that actually it seems the new covid virus is dangerous when both aerosols and droplets containing large amounts of the live virus are present in the air.

That is why superspreader events occur and why masks are useful in slowing the chances of them occuring.

What you are asking everyone to do is to ignore the scientific method and trust faith and believe in you or themselves and other people with no expertise, ignoring science, experiments, data, real world experience and knowledge.

the difference between knowing & believing is that everyone knows a claim to be true & can test the claim themselves & prove it true. like reducing the temperature of water to turn it into ice. so called experts are not your seven times larry. you & i are talking remember. what others have allegedly done is not what you have done, it is just you putting your faith in what others have told you. i am asking you directly larry, what scientific method did you use to isolate convid?

You have already claimed medical expertise is a fallacy so you would not accept any evidence presented to you. Reducing the temperature of water to change its state requires none of the expertise or equipment needed to isolate the covid virus for testing.

Even if I did aquire the expertise and then went in person to a suitable lab and tested my own sample you would not accept that anyway. It would still be according to your criteria an example of you not knowing something but rather just believing something.

The virus has been repeatedly isolated outside of the body and because of that PCR tests are very, very accurate.

You not being able to understand basic science is proof of nothing but your own very visible intellectual limits.

You don't even understand that knowing and believing in philosophical terms are often just abstractions meaning the same thing. Beliefs can be maps of reality that observations and testing can prove to be true. That is literally how the scientific method works.

You hijacking this thread as though you were the arbiter of everyone's reality is an example of a false belief in your own relevance.

You have asserted something without any evidence and so therefore your claim can be dismissed. In fact your claim is so extraordinary it requires extraordinary evidence and you have presented nothing but your own illogical fairy tale like belief system.

You not believing in experts is very telling. No wonder you come across like a frightened child.

[X]

A bit like Prince Andrew …… he has come across a few frightened children too

[TIC]

A bit like Prince Andrew …… he has come across a few frightened children too

keep up the red herrings to distract from the question being asked

[TIC]

TIC what you have repeatedly been doing is lying.

You claim to be trying to tell us all the difference between knowing and believing and yet when asked what that is, you fail to articulate it clearly.

What experience have you had of isolating a virus and testing it in a lab?
Do you accept the fact that there are thousands in fact probably millions of people in the world whose expertise in this field far exceeds our own?

And again why do you not accept the long accepted scientific method of asking a question

How is covid transmitted?

Then you researching that question.
Looking at existing virus transmission and creating the hypothesis that like the flu, covid is passed by droplets.

You then test this hypothesis and find out that actually that doesn't seem to be completely born out by the experiments and data, and that actually it seems the new covid virus is dangerous when both aerosols and droplets containing large amounts of the live virus are present in the air.

That is why superspreader events occur and why masks are useful in slowing the chances of them occuring.

What you are asking everyone to do is to ignore the scientific method and trust faith and believe in you or themselves and other people with no expertise, ignoring science, experiments, data, real world experience and knowledge.

the difference between knowing & believing is that everyone knows a claim to be true & can test the claim themselves & prove it true. like reducing the temperature of water to turn it into ice. so called experts are not your seven times larry. you & i are talking remember. what others have allegedly done is not what you have done, it is just you putting your faith in what others have told you. i am asking you directly larry, what scientific method did you use to isolate convid?

You have already claimed medical expertise is a fallacy so you would not accept any evidence presented to you. Reducing the temperature of water to change its state requires none of the expertise or equipment needed to isolate the covid virus for testing.

Even if I did aquire the expertise and then went in person to a suitable lab and tested my own sample you would not accept that anyway. It would still be according to your criteria an example of you not knowing something but rather just believing something.

The virus has been repeatedly isolated outside of the body and because of that PCR tests are very, very accurate.

You not being able to understand basic science is proof of nothing but your own very visible intellectual limits.

You don't even understand that knowing and believing in philosophical terms are often just abstractions meaning the same thing. Beliefs can be maps of reality that observations and testing can prove to be true. That is literally how the scientific method works.

You hijacking this thread as though you were the arbiter of everyone's reality is an example of a false belief in your own relevance.

You have asserted something without any evidence and so therefore your claim can be dismissed. In fact your claim is so extraordinary it requires extraordinary evidence and you have presented nothing but your own illogical fairy tale like belief system.

You not believing in experts is very telling. No wonder you come across like a frightened child.

you claiming medical expertise is a fallacy because it is nothing you have done. the question is asked directly to you larry. reducing the temperature of water to turn it to ice has nothing to do with convid spastic. it is an example of a claim that everyone can prove themselves & know to be true. please tell me how you isolated convid from outside the body. i have asked for the scientific method you used to isolate it & still have received nothing from you. i am asking a question to highlight belief over knowing. the claim is the covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces. please tell me how you know this & what you have done to prove this true. you talking about so called experts is a fallacy. you are claiming that something must be true because it is believed by someone who said to be an authority on the subject. it is not proof of what you have done to prove your belief to be true. i wouldn't expect a spastic to use sound logic

[Beanz]

TIC what you have repeatedly been doing is lying.

You claim to be trying to tell us all the difference between knowing and believing and yet when asked what that is, you fail to articulate it clearly.

What experience have you had of isolating a virus and testing it in a lab?
Do you accept the fact that there are thousands in fact probably millions of people in the world whose expertise in this field far exceeds our own?

And again why do you not accept the long accepted scientific method of asking a question

How is covid transmitted?

Then you researching that question.
Looking at existing virus transmission and creating the hypothesis that like the flu, covid is passed by droplets.

You then test this hypothesis and find out that actually that doesn't seem to be completely born out by the experiments and data, and that actually it seems the new covid virus is dangerous when both aerosols and droplets containing large amounts of the live virus are present in the air.

That is why superspreader events occur and why masks are useful in slowing the chances of them occuring.

What you are asking everyone to do is to ignore the scientific method and trust faith and believe in you or themselves and other people with no expertise, ignoring science, experiments, data, real world experience and knowledge.

the difference between knowing & believing is that everyone knows a claim to be true & can test the claim themselves & prove it true. like reducing the temperature of water to turn it into ice. so called experts are not your seven times larry. you & i are talking remember. what others have allegedly done is not what you have done, it is just you putting your faith in what others have told you. i am asking you directly larry, what scientific method did you use to isolate convid?

You have already claimed medical expertise is a fallacy so you would not accept any evidence presented to you. Reducing the temperature of water to change its state requires none of the expertise or equipment needed to isolate the covid virus for testing.

Even if I did aquire the expertise and then went in person to a suitable lab and tested my own sample you would not accept that anyway. It would still be according to your criteria an example of you not knowing something but rather just believing something.

The virus has been repeatedly isolated outside of the body and because of that PCR tests are very, very accurate.

You not being able to understand basic science is proof of nothing but your own very visible intellectual limits.

You don't even understand that knowing and believing in philosophical terms are often just abstractions meaning the same thing. Beliefs can be maps of reality that observations and testing can prove to be true. That is literally how the scientific method works.

You hijacking this thread as though you were the arbiter of everyone's reality is an example of a false belief in your own relevance.

You have asserted something without any evidence and so therefore your claim can be dismissed. In fact your claim is so extraordinary it requires extraordinary evidence and you have presented nothing but your own illogical fairy tale like belief system.

You not believing in experts is very telling. No wonder you come across like a frightened child.

you claiming medical expertise is a fallacy because it is nothing you have done. the question is asked directly to you larry. reducing the temperature of water to turn it to ice has nothing to do with convid spastic. it is an example of a claim that everyone can prove themselves & know to be true. please tell me how you isolated convid from outside the body. i have asked for the scientific method you used to isolate it & still have received nothing from you. i am asking a question to highlight belief over knowing. the claim is the covid is a virus caught from outside the body, through the air or off surfaces. please tell me how you know this & what you have done to prove this true. you talking about so called experts is a fallacy. you are claiming that something must be true because it is believed by someone who said to be an authority on the subject. it is not proof of what you have done to prove your belief to be true. i wouldn't expect a spastic to use sound logic

Again you have just demonstrated the true depths to your own vapid stupidity. You don't seem to even inderstand what a fallacy is. Your own posts are chock full of logically incorrect reasoning, that undermines the validity of any argument you may think you had.

There is such a thing as medical expertise which allows me to excercise the well known philisophical concept of epistemic trust. There is no need for me to isolate the virus to prove anything because not only are the experts competent, well-informed and sincere, they are also exposed at multiple levels to the checks and balances of their colleagues and the scientific method.

Even if i did the test myself without a large enough sample group and peer review by other experts it would be meaningless.

I would suggest that you are betraying a lack of understanding of both science. logic and philisophical concepts in your insistence on asking the same irelevant question like a stubborn dog with a now very dog eared squeaky toy that is stinking the place out.


You are not engaging with this thread or anyone contributing to it at all. You are acting like the troll you have always been. Talking to posters like they are something you trod in or stupid at best. No respect, no clue, no sense of humour and nothing to contribute but idiocy.

If you do not even believe that the virus exists or can be tested for, the onus, or burden of proof, has always been on you, to back up such extraordinairy claims. Of course you cannot and will not do this.

So you have forfeited the right to ask any questions yourself before answering the sack full your own bogus claims raise.

[TitoFan]

titofan has had the vaxx. so i would assume he believes covid is real. so he is starting from that bias. he is free to believe what he wants but that is not proof of how he knows that belief is true.

I also stated months ago that I became ill on November of 2020. I had attended a wedding where many people came from stateside, and several members of my family got sick.

I had a fever that lasted a week and a half... something I had never had before.

I lost my senses of smell and taste... something I had never had before.

Coincidentally, fever and losses of taste and smell had long been mentioned as symptoms of COVID-19.

I was tested with the PCR test, the accepted method for COVID testing at the time, and the results came back positive.

It was only in February and March of last year that I decided to become vaccinated.



So you see... to say that upon vaccination, "that's when I started from that bias"... is an incorrect statement on numerous counts.

To be clear, I'm not trying to convince you to change your opinions regarding COVID and the vaccines.

You have a right to believe whatever you want... just like I have a right to keep to my beliefs.

you had the vaxx because you believe covid is real. that is the bias you are starting with. instead of starting your investigation from what you know to be true. you do have the right to believe what you want. i'm only interested in claims that can be proven to be true. i'm not trying to convince anyone of anything either. i am merely trying to point out the different between knowing & believing

You see... here's the thing. If you're honestly attempting to have a serious discussion about COVID, it's not coming through on your responses.

Why else would you casually ignore the first six lines that I wrote? A chronological account of when I got sick and the symptoms I had.

You just regurgitate your "bias" claim.

It's great that you're "not trying to convince anyone of anything either", because if you were... you're going about it the wrong way.




Science denial is all about semantics and trying to invert the burden of proof. It's the same tactic used by Flat Earthers. Science has proven the Earth is round beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Yet Flat Earthers cling to "pseudoscience" and use the same tired techniques that COVID deniers use today.

Invert the burden of proof - That's a remarkable skill. Something akin to a prosecutor inverting the burden of proof on an accused person. But it doesn't work that way. The onus of proof on science is on the very tiny minority that denies the science.... not the other way around.

Wordage - The careless use of words like "science", "evidence", "research" is another technique. It's meant to convey knowledge without actually having the faintest idea on how scientific research is actually conducted. It's like people calling themselves "This" Engineer or "That" Engineer, without actually BEING an engineer or having studied the required courses to BECOME an engineer... as if by adding the qualifier "engineer" on your job title actually makes you an engineer.

Semantics - Another remarkable skill. But in reality just a smoke screen to redirect the conversation in the desired path. Just like the repeated use of the same phrases over and over again... which just serves to fill up space and buy time for the logical arguments that will never come.

There are reasons why science deniers exist, whether it's Flat Earthers or COVID deniers... in the face of age-old, overwhelming scientific evidence. Some of these reasons have been well documented.

One is Social Media. Social media creates information filter bubbles created by powerful algorithms. It's a scary fact. A phenomenon that feeds on itself. For those who haven't seen it, I recommend "The Social Dilemma", a 2020 documentary.

Mental shortcuts. Another way to say "lazy." It's too easy to latch onto "information" disseminated by influencers. Beats going out and doing your own (ahem) RESEARCH. When others counter you with beliefs based on very real personal experiences... these are just brushed aside with phrase repetition and regurgitation of unrelated claims.

Motivated reasoning. It's an unconscious (or sometimes conscious) bias to come to a preferred conclusion. You WANT something to be so... so you only read or listen to opinions that reinforce that preference. It's ironic that the word "bias" would be used by people whose total reasoning process is based on bias.


In the end, I can understand @Dark Lord Al coming in here and trying to play referee, wondering why is everyone arguing.

But the truth is... I stopped arguing a long time ago.

My personal life decisions are fortunately not shaped by what other people might think.

I pick and choose when and where I get my sources to influence those decisions. And so far I'm happy to report that the results have been on point.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

But I do feel the need to correct incorrect statements made about me or my thought processes on a topic of vast importance such as this.

[TIC]

titofan has had the vaxx. so i would assume he believes covid is real. so he is starting from that bias. he is free to believe what he wants but that is not proof of how he knows that belief is true.

I also stated months ago that I became ill on November of 2020. I had attended a wedding where many people came from stateside, and several members of my family got sick.

I had a fever that lasted a week and a half... something I had never had before.

I lost my senses of smell and taste... something I had never had before.

Coincidentally, fever and losses of taste and smell had long been mentioned as symptoms of COVID-19.

I was tested with the PCR test, the accepted method for COVID testing at the time, and the results came back positive.

It was only in February and March of last year that I decided to become vaccinated.



So you see... to say that upon vaccination, "that's when I started from that bias"... is an incorrect statement on numerous counts.

To be clear, I'm not trying to convince you to change your opinions regarding COVID and the vaccines.

You have a right to believe whatever you want... just like I have a right to keep to my beliefs.

you had the vaxx because you believe covid is real. that is the bias you are starting with. instead of starting your investigation from what you know to be true. you do have the right to believe what you want. i'm only interested in claims that can be proven to be true. i'm not trying to convince anyone of anything either. i am merely trying to point out the different between knowing & believing

You see... here's the thing. If you're honestly attempting to have a serious discussion about COVID, it's not coming through on your responses.

Why else would you casually ignore the first six lines that I wrote? A chronological account of when I got sick and the symptoms I had.

You just regurgitate your "bias" claim.

It's great that you're "not trying to convince anyone of anything either", because if you were... you're going about it the wrong way.




Science denial is all about semantics and trying to invert the burden of proof. It's the same tactic used by Flat Earthers. Science has proven the Earth is round beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Yet Flat Earthers cling to "pseudoscience" and use the same tired techniques that COVID deniers use today.

Invert the burden of proof - That's a remarkable skill. Something akin to a prosecutor inverting the burden of proof on an accused person. But it doesn't work that way. The onus of proof on science is on the very tiny minority that denies the science.... not the other way around.

Wordage - The careless use of words like "science", "evidence", "research" is another technique. It's meant to convey knowledge without actually having the faintest idea on how scientific research is actually conducted. It's like people calling themselves "This" Engineer or "That" Engineer, without actually BEING an engineer or having studied the required courses to BECOME an engineer... as if by adding the qualifier "engineer" on your job title actually makes you an engineer.

Semantics - Another remarkable skill. But in reality just a smoke screen to redirect the conversation in the desired path. Just like the repeated use of the same phrases over and over again... which just serves to fill up space and buy time for the logical arguments that will never come.

There are reasons why science deniers exist, whether it's Flat Earthers or COVID deniers... in the face of age-old, overwhelming scientific evidence. Some of these reasons have been well documented.

One is Social Media. Social media creates information filter bubbles created by powerful algorithms. It's a scary fact. A phenomenon that feeds on itself. For those who haven't seen it, I recommend "The Social Dilemma", a 2020 documentary.

Mental shortcuts. Another way to say "lazy." It's too easy to latch onto "information" disseminated by influencers. Beats going out and doing your own (ahem) RESEARCH. When others counter you with beliefs based on very real personal experiences... these are just brushed aside with phrase repetition and regurgitation of unrelated claims.

Motivated reasoning. It's an unconscious (or sometimes conscious) bias to come to a preferred conclusion. You WANT something to be so... so you only read or listen to opinions that reinforce that preference. It's ironic that the word "bias" would be used by people whose total reasoning process is based on bias.


In the end, I can understand @Dark Lord Al coming in here and trying to play referee, wondering why is everyone arguing.

But the truth is... I stopped arguing a long time ago.

My personal life decisions are fortunately not shaped by what other people might think.

I pick and choose when and where I get my sources to influence those decisions. And so far I'm happy to report that the results have been on point.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

But I do feel the need to correct incorrect statements made about me or my thought processes on a topic of vast importance such as this.

i ignored the first six lines because they are not proof of you isolating covid. you & some family members got ill. that is not proof of the cause of the illness. please show me the science you did to isolate covid & prove that was the cause of the illness. i am starting at the very beginning of the investigation, with no bias. establish that covid is real. that is the claim, that claim needs to be proven. you are happy to have faith in others & believe, i require proof so i can know. i haven't been arguing, i have been pointing out that people think their beliefs are actually proof when they are not

[TitoFan]

titofan has had the vaxx. so i would assume he believes covid is real. so he is starting from that bias. he is free to believe what he wants but that is not proof of how he knows that belief is true.

I also stated months ago that I became ill on November of 2020. I had attended a wedding where many people came from stateside, and several members of my family got sick.

I had a fever that lasted a week and a half... something I had never had before.

I lost my senses of smell and taste... something I had never had before.

Coincidentally, fever and losses of taste and smell had long been mentioned as symptoms of COVID-19.

I was tested with the PCR test, the accepted method for COVID testing at the time, and the results came back positive.

It was only in February and March of last year that I decided to become vaccinated.



So you see... to say that upon vaccination, "that's when I started from that bias"... is an incorrect statement on numerous counts.

To be clear, I'm not trying to convince you to change your opinions regarding COVID and the vaccines.

You have a right to believe whatever you want... just like I have a right to keep to my beliefs.

you had the vaxx because you believe covid is real. that is the bias you are starting with. instead of starting your investigation from what you know to be true. you do have the right to believe what you want. i'm only interested in claims that can be proven to be true. i'm not trying to convince anyone of anything either. i am merely trying to point out the different between knowing & believing

You see... here's the thing. If you're honestly attempting to have a serious discussion about COVID, it's not coming through on your responses.

Why else would you casually ignore the first six lines that I wrote? A chronological account of when I got sick and the symptoms I had.

You just regurgitate your "bias" claim.

It's great that you're "not trying to convince anyone of anything either", because if you were... you're going about it the wrong way.




Science denial is all about semantics and trying to invert the burden of proof. It's the same tactic used by Flat Earthers. Science has proven the Earth is round beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Yet Flat Earthers cling to "pseudoscience" and use the same tired techniques that COVID deniers use today.

Invert the burden of proof - That's a remarkable skill. Something akin to a prosecutor inverting the burden of proof on an accused person. But it doesn't work that way. The onus of proof on science is on the very tiny minority that denies the science.... not the other way around.

Wordage - The careless use of words like "science", "evidence", "research" is another technique. It's meant to convey knowledge without actually having the faintest idea on how scientific research is actually conducted. It's like people calling themselves "This" Engineer or "That" Engineer, without actually BEING an engineer or having studied the required courses to BECOME an engineer... as if by adding the qualifier "engineer" on your job title actually makes you an engineer.

Semantics - Another remarkable skill. But in reality just a smoke screen to redirect the conversation in the desired path. Just like the repeated use of the same phrases over and over again... which just serves to fill up space and buy time for the logical arguments that will never come.

There are reasons why science deniers exist, whether it's Flat Earthers or COVID deniers... in the face of age-old, overwhelming scientific evidence. Some of these reasons have been well documented.

One is Social Media. Social media creates information filter bubbles created by powerful algorithms. It's a scary fact. A phenomenon that feeds on itself. For those who haven't seen it, I recommend "The Social Dilemma", a 2020 documentary.

Mental shortcuts. Another way to say "lazy." It's too easy to latch onto "information" disseminated by influencers. Beats going out and doing your own (ahem) RESEARCH. When others counter you with beliefs based on very real personal experiences... these are just brushed aside with phrase repetition and regurgitation of unrelated claims.

Motivated reasoning. It's an unconscious (or sometimes conscious) bias to come to a preferred conclusion. You WANT something to be so... so you only read or listen to opinions that reinforce that preference. It's ironic that the word "bias" would be used by people whose total reasoning process is based on bias.


In the end, I can understand @Dark Lord Al coming in here and trying to play referee, wondering why is everyone arguing.

But the truth is... I stopped arguing a long time ago.

My personal life decisions are fortunately not shaped by what other people might think.

I pick and choose when and where I get my sources to influence those decisions. And so far I'm happy to report that the results have been on point.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

But I do feel the need to correct incorrect statements made about me or my thought processes on a topic of vast importance such as this.

i ignored the first six lines because they are not proof of you isolating covid. you & some family members got ill. that is not proof of the cause of the illness. please show me the science you did to isolate covid & prove that was the cause of the illness. i am starting at the very beginning of the investigation, with no bias. establish that covid is real. that is the claim, that claim needs to be proven. you are happy to have faith in others & believe, i require proof so i can know. i haven't been arguing, i have been pointing out that people think their beliefs are actually proof when they are not

You have again chosen to ignore my post, and instead have chosen to embark on yet another "quote-fest" with another poster.

And you're doing it again. "Proof", "science", "investigation", "bias"..... Words that to be used correctly require a certain educational background and knowledge of what the scientific processes actually entail. You can throw these words around all you like. They're not impressing anyone.

Isolate COVID? I'm not a virologist. I'm a professional in an unrelated field and choose to believe the statements of virologists and epidemiologists over the rantings of influencers and YouTubers.

I haven't seen Mars... but I believe it exists. I choose to believe the professionals in the field of astronomy.

I wasn't born when the U.S. was populated by Native Americans and subsequently taken over by European settlers. But I choose to accept the history narratives, as taught in our school system.

So no... I haven't and will not be isolating any viruses.

If my whole life's beliefs and knowledge base depended solely on what I personally did in some lab.... there would be a shitload of things I would know nothing about.




But as you're being told again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.........

Nobody on here is trying to convince you about anything. So basically these whole conversations are pointless.

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titofan has had the vaxx. so i would assume he believes covid is real. so he is starting from that bias. he is free to believe what he wants but that is not proof of how he knows that belief is true.

I also stated months ago that I became ill on November of 2020. I had attended a wedding where many people came from stateside, and several members of my family got sick.

I had a fever that lasted a week and a half... something I had never had before.

I lost my senses of smell and taste... something I had never had before.

Coincidentally, fever and losses of taste and smell had long been mentioned as symptoms of COVID-19.

I was tested with the PCR test, the accepted method for COVID testing at the time, and the results came back positive.

It was only in February and March of last year that I decided to become vaccinated.



So you see... to say that upon vaccination, "that's when I started from that bias"... is an incorrect statement on numerous counts.

To be clear, I'm not trying to convince you to change your opinions regarding COVID and the vaccines.

You have a right to believe whatever you want... just like I have a right to keep to my beliefs.

you had the vaxx because you believe covid is real. that is the bias you are starting with. instead of starting your investigation from what you know to be true. you do have the right to believe what you want. i'm only interested in claims that can be proven to be true. i'm not trying to convince anyone of anything either. i am merely trying to point out the different between knowing & believing

You see... here's the thing. If you're honestly attempting to have a serious discussion about COVID, it's not coming through on your responses.

Why else would you casually ignore the first six lines that I wrote? A chronological account of when I got sick and the symptoms I had.

You just regurgitate your "bias" claim.

It's great that you're "not trying to convince anyone of anything either", because if you were... you're going about it the wrong way.




Science denial is all about semantics and trying to invert the burden of proof. It's the same tactic used by Flat Earthers. Science has proven the Earth is round beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Yet Flat Earthers cling to "pseudoscience" and use the same tired techniques that COVID deniers use today.

Invert the burden of proof - That's a remarkable skill. Something akin to a prosecutor inverting the burden of proof on an accused person. But it doesn't work that way. The onus of proof on science is on the very tiny minority that denies the science.... not the other way around.

Wordage - The careless use of words like "science", "evidence", "research" is another technique. It's meant to convey knowledge without actually having the faintest idea on how scientific research is actually conducted. It's like people calling themselves "This" Engineer or "That" Engineer, without actually BEING an engineer or having studied the required courses to BECOME an engineer... as if by adding the qualifier "engineer" on your job title actually makes you an engineer.

Semantics - Another remarkable skill. But in reality just a smoke screen to redirect the conversation in the desired path. Just like the repeated use of the same phrases over and over again... which just serves to fill up space and buy time for the logical arguments that will never come.

There are reasons why science deniers exist, whether it's Flat Earthers or COVID deniers... in the face of age-old, overwhelming scientific evidence. Some of these reasons have been well documented.

One is Social Media. Social media creates information filter bubbles created by powerful algorithms. It's a scary fact. A phenomenon that feeds on itself. For those who haven't seen it, I recommend "The Social Dilemma", a 2020 documentary.

Mental shortcuts. Another way to say "lazy." It's too easy to latch onto "information" disseminated by influencers. Beats going out and doing your own (ahem) RESEARCH. When others counter you with beliefs based on very real personal experiences... these are just brushed aside with phrase repetition and regurgitation of unrelated claims.

Motivated reasoning. It's an unconscious (or sometimes conscious) bias to come to a preferred conclusion. You WANT something to be so... so you only read or listen to opinions that reinforce that preference. It's ironic that the word "bias" would be used by people whose total reasoning process is based on bias.


In the end, I can understand @Dark Lord Al coming in here and trying to play referee, wondering why is everyone arguing.

But the truth is... I stopped arguing a long time ago.

My personal life decisions are fortunately not shaped by what other people might think.

I pick and choose when and where I get my sources to influence those decisions. And so far I'm happy to report that the results have been on point.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

But I do feel the need to correct incorrect statements made about me or my thought processes on a topic of vast importance such as this.

i ignored the first six lines because they are not proof of you isolating covid. you & some family members got ill. that is not proof of the cause of the illness. please show me the science you did to isolate covid & prove that was the cause of the illness. i am starting at the very beginning of the investigation, with no bias. establish that covid is real. that is the claim, that claim needs to be proven. you are happy to have faith in others & believe, i require proof so i can know. i haven't been arguing, i have been pointing out that people think their beliefs are actually proof when they are not

You have again chosen to ignore my post, and instead have chosen to embark on yet another "quote-fest" with another poster.

And you're doing it again. "Proof", "science", "investigation", "bias"..... Words that to be used correctly require a certain educational background and knowledge of what the scientific processes actually entail. You can throw these words around all you like. They're not impressing anyone.

Isolate COVID? I'm not a virologist. I'm a professional in an unrelated field and choose to believe the statements of virologists and epidemiologists over the rantings of influencers and YouTubers.

I haven't seen Mars... but I believe it exists. I choose to believe the professionals in the field of astronomy.

I wasn't born when the U.S. was populated by Native Americans and subsequently taken over by European settlers. But I choose to accept the history narratives, as taught in our school system.

So no... I haven't and will not be isolating any viruses.

If my whole life's beliefs and knowledge base depended solely on what I personally did in some lab.... there would be a shitload of things I would know nothing about.




But as you're being told again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.........

Nobody on here is trying to convince you about anything. So basically these whole conversations are pointless.

it is pointless because you have a belief & i am not interested in beliefs. you don't know the things you believe are true. you are free to believe anything you like. but you seem to think it is my job to prove your belief for you. that's not how it works. keep believing all you like but understand that is all it is. there is nothing wrong with that. until you start trying to convince others that your belief is real. i have already said that only yourself & primo carnera have been honest enough to admit you only have a belief. that is where our discussion should have ended. i'm not interested in beliefs. now if you are able to prove your belief is real i'm here & ready for it