NOW can we stop the disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 p4p?

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NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...

I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...

1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.

Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.

Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.

So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.

You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?

Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.

you don't have oleksandr above terence?

No, of course not. Usyk is a Wonderful Boxer, with an amazing Amateur record. But it’s got to be judged on the pro career surely? And yes he hoovered up the CW Division with ease, but CW is a notoriously shallow division.
And he’s beaten AJ.
To be honest, even if he beats AJ again, then Fury, I probably still wouldn’t have him at #1.

Usyk won the Olympic gold medal in 2012, he then won his first world title in his tenth fight, when he fought undefeated 26-0 Krzysztof Glowacki in Poland for his WBO belt.

After defending the WBO title three times, including the then undefeated heavyweight contender Michael Hunter, he won WBC belt against undefeated 23-0 Mairis Briedis in his hometown.

Usyk then wins the undisputed title in Russia, against undefeated 26-0 Murat Gassiev.

After that he beat and thankfully retired the great Tony Bellew who had just beaten David Haye twice.

The second greatest Cruiserweight ever.

So what?

so terence's record is very thin

[Primo Carnera]

NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...

I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...

1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.

Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.

Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.

So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.

You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?

Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.

you don't have oleksandr above terence?

No, of course not. Usyk is a Wonderful Boxer, with an amazing Amateur record. But it’s got to be judged on the pro career surely? And yes he hoovered up the CW Division with ease, but CW is a notoriously shallow division.
And he’s beaten AJ.
To be honest, even if he beats AJ again, then Fury, I probably still wouldn’t have him at #1.

Usyk won the Olympic gold medal in 2012, he then won his first world title in his tenth fight, when he fought undefeated 26-0 Krzysztof Glowacki in Poland for his WBO belt.

After defending the WBO title three times, including the then undefeated heavyweight contender Michael Hunter, he won WBC belt against undefeated 23-0 Mairis Briedis in his hometown.

Usyk then wins the undisputed title in Russia, against undefeated 26-0 Murat Gassiev.

After that he beat and thankfully retired the great Tony Bellew who had just beaten David Haye twice.

The second greatest Cruiserweight ever.

So what?

so terence's record is very thin

Gamboa, Postol , Beltran , Brook,Porter are better names AND better wins than Glowacki , Hunter, Gassiev , Bellew and Chisora.

[TIC]

NOW can we stop this disrespect on Crawford and put him at #1 at the P4P list? The disrespect was sickening, tbth...

I always felt Canelo had a lot to prove before he could have been placed at #1 p4p... But everyone serious in the game knew the #1 p4p is Terance Bud Crawford. Stop this disrespect on the man and put him #1...

1. Crawford
2. Spence
3. Fury
4. Inoue
5.... name the rest of the guys you like.

Fury at 3 ? He’s nowhere near it. He’s no different to many of the World champions in other divisions.
Inoue is #1
Crawford needs to fight and beat Spence and that settles everything.

Anything other than Crawford as #1 is racist.

So I’m racist now, just because I don’t agree with you. Crawford is one of my favourite current fighters, but Inoue has not been given the respect he deserves.
Crawford has been a victim of his previous promoter’s unprofessional work for him. But he signed the contract.
For the record, I believe Crawford is probably the best all round Boxer out there, but you have to create your legacy in the ring.

You mean by doing something like winning 16 championship fights over 3 divisions including undisputed in 1 and about to fight for undisputed in another?

Yeah exactly like, or maybe even do it over 4 divisions like Inoue. Like I said , Inoue is the only one that I possibly put above Bud, but it’s a 50/50 call.
If Crawford fights and beats Spence (which I hope he does tbh) that settles everything.
You’ve said yourself along the lines of “ Spence would be favourite “ I can’t remember exactly what you said. But Crawford needs that fight to put his career right up there where it belongs.
I have absolutely no criticism of Crawford as a boxer whatsoever, just disappointed in his management choices over his career.

you don't have oleksandr above terence?

No, of course not. Usyk is a Wonderful Boxer, with an amazing Amateur record. But it’s got to be judged on the pro career surely? And yes he hoovered up the CW Division with ease, but CW is a notoriously shallow division.
And he’s beaten AJ.
To be honest, even if he beats AJ again, then Fury, I probably still wouldn’t have him at #1.

Usyk won the Olympic gold medal in 2012, he then won his first world title in his tenth fight, when he fought undefeated 26-0 Krzysztof Glowacki in Poland for his WBO belt.

After defending the WBO title three times, including the then undefeated heavyweight contender Michael Hunter, he won WBC belt against undefeated 23-0 Mairis Briedis in his hometown.

Usyk then wins the undisputed title in Russia, against undefeated 26-0 Murat Gassiev.

After that he beat and thankfully retired the great Tony Bellew who had just beaten David Haye twice.

The second greatest Cruiserweight ever.

So what?

so terence's record is very thin

Gamboa, Postol , Beltran , Brook,Porter are better names AND better wins than Glowacki , Hunter, Gassiev , Bellew and Chisora.

yuriorkis was a smaller guy. i think viktor is a good win. raymundo was always on the fringe. kell was past it. shawn is a good win. i don't think they are better wins than mairis & aj. murat is a better win. terence has some good wins but oleksandr has fought better opponents

[Spicoli]

I think p4p has become a festering cyst for so many fighters and fans. Really feels like it's cheapened and lost a great deal of any substance and big picture thinking. But of course we knew that when the Ring put Broner at #5 . It's always been subjective but within less than a 1 month span it's a literal flavor of the month now. From 4-30 to 5-22 and then immediately see soooo many insisting Bivol, Stevenson and Charlo just waltz right on to it thus 3 other dropped right off.

They're going to need a bigger list.

[TIC]

I think p4p has become a festering cyst for so many fighters and fans. Really feels like it's cheapened and lost a great deal of any substance and big picture thinking. But of course we knew that when the Ring put Broner at #5 . It's always been subjective but within less than a 1 month span it's a literal flavor of the month now. From 4-30 to 5-22 and then immediately see soooo many insisting Bivol, Stevenson and Charlo just waltz right on to it thus 3 other dropped right off.

They're going to need a bigger list.

you got it. just a bit of fun for me. all the talk around dmitry, shakur & charlo but no love for artur

[TIC]

I think p4p has become a festering cyst for so many fighters and fans. Really feels like it's cheapened and lost a great deal of any substance and big picture thinking. But of course we knew that when the Ring put Broner at #5 . It's always been subjective but within less than a 1 month span it's a literal flavor of the month now. From 4-30 to 5-22 and then immediately see soooo many insisting Bivol, Stevenson and Charlo just waltz right on to it thus 3 other dropped right off.

They're going to need a bigger list.

you got it. just a bit of fun for me. all the talk around dmitry, shakur & charlo but no love for artur

artur now feeling the love

[Master]

For some people, bantamweight destroyer and current WBA/IBF/WBC champion Naoya Inoue is already the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world today. “The Monster” says he needs to unify the bantamweight division and then move up and rule at super-bantamweight to achieve the distinction. Inoue, who ruined Nonito Donaire inside a couple of rounds in their return fight, adding the WBC belt to the WBA and IBF titles he already held, now wants the sole strap that’s left, this the WBO title which is currently the property of Britain’s Paul Butler.

Speaking with the media in his homeland of Japan today, Inoue, 23-0(20) said he wants to fight Butler next and then make the move up to 122 pounds. Another Inoue’s goals is to retire unbeaten, this at the age of 35.

“People were saying that me becoming the number one pound-for-pound fighter all depended on what happened in the [second] Donaire fight, and things worked out as well as I could have imagined,” Inoue said. “From here on in, I want to give performances worthy of the number one pound-for-pound fighter. In order to do that, I need to unify the bantamweight titles and then take on the super-bantamweight division. If it (the Butler fight) happens by the end of this year, I don’t care whether it happens in Japan, the US or Britain. It really doesn’t matter to me. I want the fight wherever it is. I always try to knock out my opponent and I think that’s been recognised.”

There is zero doubt about it: Inoue’s “Monster” punching power has been recognised by all. Some fans moaned and groaned when Ring Magazine placed the 29 year old at the top of their pound-for-pound rankings, while others agreed and do agree. But it’s great that Inoue himself feels he needs to do more in order to be fully recognised as the best of the best. Inoue is still ambitious and, as “easy” an assignment as a fight with Butler, 34-2(19), may be in the opinion of many, Inoue taking on the best at 122 will be something to see.

Can Inoue rule the world at a fourth weight class? If so, will everyone agree Inoue is the pound-for-pound best on the planet? Inoue says he hopes to be fully content by the time he turns 35.

“I’d like to think that when I turn 35, I will be able to look back and think I was happy that I became a boxer,” he said.

We fans sure are happy Inoue became a boxer. If you don’t agree that Inoue is the pound-for-pound best right now, you have to agree he is one of the most consistently exciting fighters operating today. Has Inoue ever been in a dull fight? Is such a thing even possible? Paul Butler faces a daunting task indeed.

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