Loma and Tank are STILL ducking!

[Ron Swanson]

That’s the point of activating mandatory positions, the sanctioning bodies don’t care about personal contracts. And the Haney’s have been very clear that the contract is set up that the can get around the rematch clause if Tank or Loma would enact their mandatory positions

About Ukrainians, yes, family, my wife, my boy, and my wife’s parents

Haney was just interviewed saying the rematch doesn't have to happen next. I'm guessing that's more because the Aussie doesn't want it and is making other plans rather than that Haney has the contractual right to avoid it. If he's saying that Davis and Lomachenko just have to ask for their mandatory then he's just trying to talk them into it. Lomachenko I can understand. Whatever he's up to with the Ukrainian army who he might fight next is the least of his worries. Davis has less of an excuse. Haney is with Top Rank though now. Unlikely Arum is going to rush to make a fight with Floyd and Haymon.

Loma isn’t with the military, he’s fighting in October. It could be Haney but he said specifically he wants a tuneup. It hasn’t even been a year, he doesn’t need a tuneup.

We can go around and around but fact is it’s been 3 years and a couple months Loma could fight Haney and he’s still choosing not to. That’s clear. That’s not interpretation. Haney became his mandatory, Loma gave up his belt to not fight him. Haney has all the belts, Loma has 2 mandatory positions, he’s still not fighting him. No interpretation, just facts

[Kirkland Laing]

That’s the point of activating mandatory positions, the sanctioning bodies don’t care about personal contracts. And the Haney’s have been very clear that the contract is set up that the can get around the rematch clause if Tank or Loma would enact their mandatory positions

About Ukrainians, yes, family, my wife, my boy, and my wife’s parents

Haney was just interviewed saying the rematch doesn't have to happen next. I'm guessing that's more because the Aussie doesn't want it and is making other plans rather than that Haney has the contractual right to avoid it. If he's saying that Davis and Lomachenko just have to ask for their mandatory then he's just trying to talk them into it. Lomachenko I can understand. Whatever he's up to with the Ukrainian army who he might fight next is the least of his worries. Davis has less of an excuse. Haney is with Top Rank though now. Unlikely Arum is going to rush to make a fight with Floyd and Haymon.

Loma isn’t with the military, he’s fighting in October. It could be Haney but he said specifically he wants a tuneup. It hasn’t even been a year, he doesn’t need a tuneup.

We can go around and around but fact is it’s been 3 years and a couple months Loma could fight Haney and he’s still choosing not to. That’s clear. That’s not interpretation. Haney became his mandatory, Loma gave up his belt to not fight him. Haney has all the belts, Loma has 2 mandatory positions, he’s still not fighting him. No interpretation, just facts

I was sure I'd read something about this but can't find it. I did find this and this:

https://www.boxingscene.com/haney-sa...m-most--166970


https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...-titles/223463

Haney says who he fights next depends on whether the Aussie wants the rematch or not. From what he said Saturday night it would appear the rematch option hasn't been exercised yet. Secondly Haney isn't going to fight at 135 again unless it's the rematch. Maybe a Lomachenko fight would change his mind. Davis isn't going to want to fight at 140 either.

The second article says that Lomachenko will return to the ring if he gets a chance to fight for the undisputed title. Nothing about a tune up fight. So it doesn't look like Lomachenko is dodging anybody.

As far as Lomachenko dodging Haney earlier by giving up his belt wasn't it just the WBC made him franchise champion and gave the regular belt to Haney? Lomachenko has been at the stage of his career where he's just looking for the biggest payday for a while now so Haney wouldn't have been an attractive option back then.

[Ron Swanson]

That’s the point of activating mandatory positions, the sanctioning bodies don’t care about personal contracts. And the Haney’s have been very clear that the contract is set up that the can get around the rematch clause if Tank or Loma would enact their mandatory positions

About Ukrainians, yes, family, my wife, my boy, and my wife’s parents

Haney was just interviewed saying the rematch doesn't have to happen next. I'm guessing that's more because the Aussie doesn't want it and is making other plans rather than that Haney has the contractual right to avoid it. If he's saying that Davis and Lomachenko just have to ask for their mandatory then he's just trying to talk them into it. Lomachenko I can understand. Whatever he's up to with the Ukrainian army who he might fight next is the least of his worries. Davis has less of an excuse. Haney is with Top Rank though now. Unlikely Arum is going to rush to make a fight with Floyd and Haymon.

Loma isn’t with the military, he’s fighting in October. It could be Haney but he said specifically he wants a tuneup. It hasn’t even been a year, he doesn’t need a tuneup.

We can go around and around but fact is it’s been 3 years and a couple months Loma could fight Haney and he’s still choosing not to. That’s clear. That’s not interpretation. Haney became his mandatory, Loma gave up his belt to not fight him. Haney has all the belts, Loma has 2 mandatory positions, he’s still not fighting him. No interpretation, just facts

I was sure I'd read something about this but can't find it. I did find this and this:

https://www.boxingscene.com/haney-sa...m-most--166970


https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...-titles/223463

Haney says who he fights next depends on whether the Aussie wants the rematch or not. From what he said Saturday night it would appear the rematch option hasn't been exercised yet. Secondly Haney isn't going to fight at 135 again unless it's the rematch. Maybe a Lomachenko fight would change his mind. Davis isn't going to want to fight at 140 either.

The second article says that Lomachenko will return to the ring if he gets a chance to fight for the undisputed title. Nothing about a tune up fight. So it doesn't look like Lomachenko is dodging anybody.

As far as Lomachenko dodging Haney earlier by giving up his belt wasn't it just the WBC made him franchise champion and gave the regular belt to Haney? Lomachenko has been at the stage of his career where he's just looking for the biggest payday for a while now so Haney wouldn't have been an attractive option back then.

Haney became his mandatory in more than 3 years ago. And no, the wbc didn’t just make him the franchise champion, his team requested to be franchise champion. AND THEY LIED ABOUT IT.

First let’s look at the reasoning for elevation

“Haney was initially the mandatory challenger to world champion Vasiliy Lomachenko, who was elevated to the status of "franchise champion" - which allowed him to sidestep any obligation to fight Haney.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/amp/wbc-...-champ--149024


Now let’s look at Loma lying that he didn’t ask to be elevated

He said: ‘I read an interview with [WBC president] Mauricio Sulaiman, he said we filed a request to be awarded the ‘franchise’ title.

‘I would like to make it clear I did not file anything and no-one asked for it. When I read that, I was very surprised.’

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/20/vasyl...-11188150/amp/

And you can watch Sulaymaniyah confirm that Loma requested the elevation :30 into this video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCYdI0CDWc

Search “Arum denies requesting franchise belt”, you will find nothing, which says everything

As for why Haney is most interested in those 2 guys, they are the only ones capable of getting him out of his obligation to fight Kambosos. They would be his mandatories if they chose to apply their status. Both refuse.

I can’t recall where I read that Loma said he wanted a tuneup but when I remember I will post it.

While I try to remember where I read Loma wanted a tuneup. Here’s Arum today saying they aren’t even looking at Haney. They’re looking at a tuneup then Shakur Stevenson

“Lomachenko (16-2, 11 KOs) will need to be given leave from the Ukrainian military and fight a tune-up match in October before this fight can occur.”

https://www.fightsports.tv/bob-arum-wants-vasyl-lomachenko-vs-shakur-stevenson-for-2023/

[Kirkland Laing]

That’s the point of activating mandatory positions, the sanctioning bodies don’t care about personal contracts. And the Haney’s have been very clear that the contract is set up that the can get around the rematch clause if Tank or Loma would enact their mandatory positions

About Ukrainians, yes, family, my wife, my boy, and my wife’s parents

Haney was just interviewed saying the rematch doesn't have to happen next. I'm guessing that's more because the Aussie doesn't want it and is making other plans rather than that Haney has the contractual right to avoid it. If he's saying that Davis and Lomachenko just have to ask for their mandatory then he's just trying to talk them into it. Lomachenko I can understand. Whatever he's up to with the Ukrainian army who he might fight next is the least of his worries. Davis has less of an excuse. Haney is with Top Rank though now. Unlikely Arum is going to rush to make a fight with Floyd and Haymon.

Loma isn’t with the military, he’s fighting in October. It could be Haney but he said specifically he wants a tuneup. It hasn’t even been a year, he doesn’t need a tuneup.

We can go around and around but fact is it’s been 3 years and a couple months Loma could fight Haney and he’s still choosing not to. That’s clear. That’s not interpretation. Haney became his mandatory, Loma gave up his belt to not fight him. Haney has all the belts, Loma has 2 mandatory positions, he’s still not fighting him. No interpretation, just facts

I was sure I'd read something about this but can't find it. I did find this and this:

https://www.boxingscene.com/haney-sa...m-most--166970


https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...-titles/223463

Haney says who he fights next depends on whether the Aussie wants the rematch or not. From what he said Saturday night it would appear the rematch option hasn't been exercised yet. Secondly Haney isn't going to fight at 135 again unless it's the rematch. Maybe a Lomachenko fight would change his mind. Davis isn't going to want to fight at 140 either.

The second article says that Lomachenko will return to the ring if he gets a chance to fight for the undisputed title. Nothing about a tune up fight. So it doesn't look like Lomachenko is dodging anybody.

As far as Lomachenko dodging Haney earlier by giving up his belt wasn't it just the WBC made him franchise champion and gave the regular belt to Haney? Lomachenko has been at the stage of his career where he's just looking for the biggest payday for a while now so Haney wouldn't have been an attractive option back then.

Haney became his mandatory in more than 3 years ago. And no, the wbc didn’t just make him the franchise champion, his team requested to be franchise champion. AND THEY LIED ABOUT IT.

First let’s look at the reasoning for elevation

“Haney was initially the mandatory challenger to world champion Vasiliy Lomachenko, who was elevated to the status of "franchise champion" - which allowed him to sidestep any obligation to fight Haney.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/amp/wbc-...-champ--149024


Now let’s look at Loma lying that he didn’t ask to be elevated

He said: ‘I read an interview with [WBC president] Mauricio Sulaiman, he said we filed a request to be awarded the ‘franchise’ title.

‘I would like to make it clear I did not file anything and no-one asked for it. When I read that, I was very surprised.’

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/20/vasyl...-11188150/amp/

And you can watch Sulaymaniyah confirm that Loma requested the elevation :30 into this video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sCCYdI0CDWc

Search “Arum denies requesting franchise belt”, you will find nothing, which says everything

As for why Haney is most interested in those 2 guys, they are the only ones capable of getting him out of his obligation to fight Kambosos. They would be his mandatories if they chose to apply their status. Both refuse.

I can’t recall where I read that Loma said he wanted a tuneup but when I remember I will post it.

While I try to remember where I read Loma wanted a tuneup. Here’s Arum today saying they aren’t even looking at Haney. They’re looking at a tuneup then Shakur Stevenson

“Lomachenko (16-2, 11 KOs) will need to be given leave from the Ukrainian military and fight a tune-up match in October before this fight can occur.”

https://www.fightsports.tv/bob-arum-...nson-for-2023/

Hang on a minute. Lomachenko didn't even fight for a WBC belt until the Campbell fight. He won that and now had three belts which means three mandatories. He could do without the extra mandatories and liked the fact that Alvarez had a franchise belt so that he could ignore mandatories and fight for the biggest paydays like Alvarez does.

The WBC, who only blessed the Campbell fight with the vacant belt because Lomachenko was/(is) the biggest revenue generator in the division and thus would give the WBC the biggest sanctioning fees while holding the belt, decided to give him the franchise belt for the same reason. He gets the franchise belt in October 2019.

In August 2019 Lomachenko fights for a WBC belt for the first time. In October 2019 they give him the franchise belt. In November 2019 Haney wins the WBC world belt. Like anybody else at the top of the lightweight division he starts calling out Lomachenko but is a million miles away from getting the fight. Lomachenko doesn't need to fight mandatories and is looking for the biggest paydays he can make being towards the end of his career. He's already negotiating for one of the biggest fights outside of the heavyweight division with Lopez. He loses to Lopez.

Now Lomachenko is looking for a title fight. He has a comeback fight and then can't make one. Haney is busy fighting a couple of pensioners and eventually a mandatory. Nobody is rushing to give Lomachenko a title fight so he fights Commey. Then he goes off to fight the Russians.

And that's where we are. I really don't think he's ducking anybody, he's just navigating his way through the top end of the professional boxing world trying to make the biggest paydays he can. If by October 2019 Haney had been a bigger revenue generator than Lopez and had held a belt and people were clamouring to see the fight then he would have fought Haney instead of Lopez. Instead Haney was just a guy who hadn't even been top of the bill for a TV broadcast before with a negligible fanbase who had just won his belt as third on the bill with a fucking youtuber topping the bill. Seriously, he's nowhere near a Lomachenko fight at this point. Even his management wouldn't want it right away. He's only calling Lomachenko out to get publicity and name recognition among boxing fans.

Haney has said two things recently. That the Greek Aussie hasn't made up his mind about a rematch and that if he doesn't fight him he probably won't fight at lightweight again.

No fighter is capable of getting Haney out of the rematch. You're confusing the rulebooks of the alphabet organisations with contract law, the kind that judges rule on in law courts. Haney signed a contract obligating him to a rematch should the Aussie want it. He has no way out of it unless he wants to be ruined financially. If it means that one of the alphabet mobs take his belt away because he can't fight a mandatory because he's contracted to the rematch then that's just his tough luck, the contract is going to take precedence.

[Ron Swanson]

Bob is now saying Loma needs a tuneup as I said before….but…. he’s saying Loma vs Haney would be next.(I don’t have Bob saying it but it’s being reported he said it in many places so here is one of the places

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yIDvt9_GDGU&noapp=1

Of course it’s just words but it’s better than everything stated so far

[TitoFan]

If this is the latest "ducking" thread, I'd like to submit Exhibit A.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/08...yre-moving-on/

Gervonta Davis Vs. Ryan Garcia Fight NOT Happening, De La Hoya Says They’re “Moving On”


This time it's Tank who's being ducked... and HARD.

Can't blame DLH, though. Bet he took another look at Leo Santa Cruz lying flat on his back from that Tank uppercut and quietly decided to "move on."

"Hey... I called and they didn't pick up the phone. What can I do? Psst... PauperRy... let's get the hell outta Dodge."

[TIC]

Bob is now saying Loma needs a tuneup as I said before

sounds like loma will face jamaine ortiz in october

[Ron Swanson]

Bob is now saying Loma needs a tuneup as I said before

sounds like loma will face jamaine ortiz in october

How do we feel about that? I see he had a draw with someone I’ve never heard of about a year ago. And has a very low KO percentage (below 50%)

I’ve never seen him so I can’t say, I assume he’s a long boxer to get Loma prepped. But my ego also says “If this was reversed and Loma was offering Haney a shot at undisputed but Haney said naw I’m going to fight Jermaine Ortiz” I would be pissed at Haney. So I suppose I should be pissed at Loma, but like I said, I don’t know, never saw or heard of Ortiz until a few days ago when I heard Loma chose him.