Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin III 17/9/22

[TitoFan]

who would you have as a favourite over ggg from one fifty four to one sixty eight if they were fighting him next?

Uhh... depends at what weight they'd be fighting.

GGG is that rare bird that has fought at 160 his entire career. You move up a Jermell from 154 to 160, he might have a shot.

Point is, 160 right now can't be compared with 147 in terms of talent, for instance. So if there isn't a handful of guys at 160 I would favor over GGG at the moment, again it's not a glowing reflection on GGG, but a subpar division at the moment.

Hey I get it. You're trying to talk yourself into making this fight a real danger for Ginger... so that when he does win... you can call it a remarkable achievement.

You choose to ignore the half dozen factors I've already mentioned repeatedly as to why it should be a walk in the park for Ginger.

I won't keep on repeating them. All I can do for you is cut/paste.

[TIC]

who would you have as a favourite over ggg from one fifty four to one sixty eight if they were fighting him next?

Uhh... depends at what weight they'd be fighting.

GGG is that rare bird that has fought at 160 his entire career. You move up a Jermell from 154 to 160, he might have a shot.

Point is, 160 right now can't be compared with 147 in terms of talent, for instance. So if there isn't a handful of guys at 160 I would favor over GGG at the moment, again it's not a glowing reflection on GGG, but a subpar division at the moment.

Hey I get it. You're trying to talk yourself into making this fight a real danger for Ginger... so that when he does win... you can call it a remarkable achievement.

You choose to ignore the half dozen factors I've already mentioned repeatedly as to why it should be a walk in the park for Ginger.

I won't keep on repeating them. All I can do for you is cut/paste.

for my question ggg would be fighting at one sixty for someone moving up or one sixty eight for fighters already fighting there. would you think jermell is fifty fifty against ggg? here are some guys at one sixty, jermall charlo, jaime munguia, erislandy lara, zhanibek alimkhanuly, demetrius andrade at one sixty or one sixty eight, carlos adames. any of them you'd favour over ggg next? i'm not trying to talk myself into anything, i think ggg is still a tough fight for anyone around the weight. if canelo wins i won't call it a remarkable achievement, you're making assumptions here. i'll call it a very good win over a unified champion & future hall of fame bound fighter. i'm not ignoring the factors you have mentioned & i have listed my own reasons why i disagree with them. you bring up ggg's age, i say he just unified two titles at age forty. you say the weight is more suited to canelo, i agree that canelo has had more time to adjust to the weight, however canelo has to come down from a weight higher than his previous fight & ggg has been pretty much a career middleweight, it is not unthinkable that ggg could have success at one sixty eight. you talk about vegas & canelo's judges, i say other fighter's have beaten canelo in vegas, one of our own members primo carnera i think scored the first two fights they way they are recorded, a draw & a win for canelo, i scored them one a piece, first to ggg, second to canelo. canelo lost his last fight by decision so i don't agree that a ko is the only way for ggg to win. i think it is you who is ignoring that ggg is a tough fight for anyone around the weight & won't be a walk in the park for canelo or anyone else around the weight

[TitoFan]

who would you have as a favourite over ggg from one fifty four to one sixty eight if they were fighting him next?

Uhh... depends at what weight they'd be fighting.

GGG is that rare bird that has fought at 160 his entire career. You move up a Jermell from 154 to 160, he might have a shot.

Point is, 160 right now can't be compared with 147 in terms of talent, for instance. So if there isn't a handful of guys at 160 I would favor over GGG at the moment, again it's not a glowing reflection on GGG, but a subpar division at the moment.

Hey I get it. You're trying to talk yourself into making this fight a real danger for Ginger... so that when he does win... you can call it a remarkable achievement.

You choose to ignore the half dozen factors I've already mentioned repeatedly as to why it should be a walk in the park for Ginger.

I won't keep on repeating them. All I can do for you is cut/paste.

for my question ggg would be fighting at one sixty for someone moving up or one sixty eight for fighters already fighting there. would you think jermell is fifty fifty against ggg? here are some guys at one sixty, jermall charlo, jaime munguia, erislandy lara, zhanibek alimkhanuly, demetrius andrade at one sixty or one sixty eight, carlos adames. any of them you'd favour over ggg next? i'm not trying to talk myself into anything, i think ggg is still a tough fight for anyone around the weight. if canelo wins i won't call it a remarkable achievement, you're making assumptions here. i'll call it a very good win over a unified champion & future hall of fame bound fighter. i'm not ignoring the factors you have mentioned & i have listed my own reasons why i disagree with them. you bring up ggg's age, i say he just unified two titles at age forty. you say the weight is more suited to canelo, i agree that canelo has had more time to adjust to the weight, however canelo has to come down from a weight higher than his previous fight & ggg has been pretty much a career middleweight, it is not unthinkable that ggg could have success at one sixty eight. you talk about vegas & canelo's judges, i say other fighter's have beaten canelo in vegas, one of our own members primo carnera i think scored the first two fights they way they are recorded, a draw & a win for canelo, i scored them one a piece, first to ggg, second to canelo. canelo lost his last fight by decision so i don't agree that a ko is the only way for ggg to win. i think it is you who is ignoring that ggg is a tough fight for anyone around the weight & won't be a walk in the park for canelo or anyone else around the weight

I'd put Jermell at 50/50 against GGG at 160. Jermell would be moving up to MW for the first time, so there's that. The rest of the guys, I'd have to examine individually. Like I said, 160 is way lesser than 147 in terms of quality right now... so any fighter where I'd favor GGG at 160 isn't a glowing endorsement of GGG, as it is a slight on the general quality of fighters at the top of the division at the moment.

So you wouldn't call a Ginger win a remarkable achievement, but rather a very good win. Fair enough. My opinion's different. If there hadn't already been a precedent, I might be inclined to agree. But they've already fought twice. The first time GGG was robbed, as have other fighters that have fought Ginger in Vegas.

I continue to mention GGG's age, because it's common knowledge that a fighter at age 40, especially below heavyweight, is pretty much beyond his prime. You use the titles to counterargue the age... and I just don't see the relevancy. I've already spoken as to the state of 160 nowadays vs let's say... 147. There's no comparison. Logic tells me that if 160 had the same amount of talent at the top as 147 does now, it's entirely feasible GGG doesn't have any belts today.

Weight is a no-brainer. Ginger may be coming down from a weight he just fought at... but Ginger's wheelhouse is at 168. Anyone who doesn't believe Ginger will rehydrate considerably for the GGG fight is out to lunch. Saying it's "not unthinkable" GGG could have success at 168 is just that... conjecture. No basis. The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career. There is usually a reason why a fighter refuses to go up in weight even one division.

"Other fighters have beaten Canelo in Vegas"? Ok. From an argument perspective, we both know you're reaching. A grand total of TWO fighters have gotten decision wins over Ginger in Vegas. The first one gave Ginger a shutout. One of the easiest fights he's had, said so by Floyd himself. Yet one of the three judges saw it as a draw, making what should've been a wide UD into a majority decision. The other was Bivol. Not even Ginger's corrupt judges could manage to steal that one away from Bivol. I can easily imagine tears welling up in their eyes as they handed in their scorecards, which by the way were closer than warranted. So yes... other fighters have beaten Ginger in Vegas. We all know that's the only thing you care about because surrounding arguments don't mean anything to you when you're trying to make a point.

I'm not ignoring the fact that GGG would be a tough fight for anyone else other than Ginger at 160. Not "around the weight". Let's be specific here. At 160. IMO, he's got no business at 168, and Ginger will prove that point.

I will continue to reiterate the factors I've considered in stating that GGG should be a walk in the park for Ginger:

• WEIGHT - GGG has fought his entire career at 160. He hasn't ventured to 168 for a reason. You can argue till the cows come home that he'll do ok there. It's an unknown. By contrast, Ginger has fought as high as 175. His younger body is more capable of going up and down in weight. You can bet he'll rehydrate to where he's very much bigger than GGG at fight night.
• AGE - Mentioning GGG's two titles has nothing to do with the fact that he's 40 years old, an age that all boxing experts agree is way past a boxer's prime. This shouldn't even be up for discussion. Ginger on the other hand is in his prime. Case closed.
• PRECEDENTS - What more proof do you need than their first two fights? GGG was robbed in the first one, as have many other fighters before him. It's a given that Ginger doesn't lose decisions in Vegas. Only Floyd and Bivol accomplished that... and I've already explained the reasons why.

So basically you have an over-the-hill fighter, who has already been screwed twice in Vegas against this very same fighter... is moving up in weight for the first time... who KNOWS he needs a knockout to beat Ginger in Vegas...
am I leaving something out?

By the way, knowing you need a knockout to win basically changes your whole fight strategy. You take more chances... you become more offensive, sacrificing a bit of your defense.
This is what leads me to believe that this time Ginger will win by knockout.

From here on out I will just copy/paste my reasons. I'm getting tired of typing.

[mikeeod]

Canelo should be favored to win this one- but I'm hoping GGG turns back the clock one last time since he is fighting his main rival (how JMM did vs Manny, Evander did vs Mike Tyson...etc.). I feel like GGG clearly won the first fight and felt that the rematch was at worst (for GGG) a draw. As for who I would favor over GGG, I go with Benavidez- I think that is a horrible match up for GGG. I would also favor Andrade at this point as I think he would have a little too much for GGG at this point.

I would favor Benavidez over Canelo at this point as well- I think Kov was washed up and Billy Joe was doing well until the big uppercut broke his orbital bone (those are the two fights that really impressed people, including me at the time). Plant is a skilled fighter but he doesn't have much power and I think the moment "got to him" and he became exhausted from the pressure (from both Canelo and the moment/lights). I give Canelo credit for taking on the big names, the kid has fought everyone around his weight for the most part.

[TIC]

Canelo should be favored to win this one- but I'm hoping GGG turns back the clock one last time since he is fighting his main rival (how JMM did vs Manny, Evander did vs Mike Tyson...etc.). I feel like GGG clearly won the first fight and felt that the rematch was at worst (for GGG) a draw. As for who I would favor over GGG, I go with Benavidez- I think that is a horrible match up for GGG. I would also favor Andrade at this point as I think he would have a little too much for GGG at this point.

I would favor Benavidez over Canelo at this point as well- I think Kov was washed up and Billy Joe was doing well until the big uppercut broke his orbital bone (those are the two fights that really impressed people, including me at the time). Plant is a skilled fighter but he doesn't have much power and I think the moment "got to him" and he became exhausted from the pressure (from both Canelo and the moment/lights). I give Canelo credit for taking on the big names, the kid has fought everyone around his weight for the most part.

i have ggg winning the first & canelo winning the second. i'd have ggg over david b & demetrius if they were fighting next. the only gut i might favour over ggg if they were fighting next from one fifty four to one sixty eight is zhanibek. there are others who might have a chance in a few more fights like pavel silyagin

[TIC]

I'd put Jermell at 50/50 against GGG at 160. Jermell would be moving up to MW for the first time, so there's that. The rest of the guys, I'd have to examine individually. Like I said, 160 is way lesser than 147 in terms of quality right now... so any fighter where I'd favor GGG at 160 isn't a glowing endorsement of GGG, as it is a slight on the general quality of fighters at the top of the division at the moment.

So you wouldn't call a Ginger win a remarkable achievement, but rather a very good win. Fair enough. My opinion's different. If there hadn't already been a precedent, I might be inclined to agree. But they've already fought twice. The first time GGG was robbed, as have other fighters that have fought Ginger in Vegas.

I continue to mention GGG's age, because it's common knowledge that a fighter at age 40, especially below heavyweight, is pretty much beyond his prime. You use the titles to counterargue the age... and I just don't see the relevancy. I've already spoken as to the state of 160 nowadays vs let's say... 147. There's no comparison. Logic tells me that if 160 had the same amount of talent at the top as 147 does now, it's entirely feasible GGG doesn't have any belts today.

Weight is a no-brainer. Ginger may be coming down from a weight he just fought at... but Ginger's wheelhouse is at 168. Anyone who doesn't believe Ginger will rehydrate considerably for the GGG fight is out to lunch. Saying it's "not unthinkable" GGG could have success at 168 is just that... conjecture. No basis. The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career. There is usually a reason why a fighter refuses to go up in weight even one division.

"Other fighters have beaten Canelo in Vegas"? Ok. From an argument perspective, we both know you're reaching. A grand total of TWO fighters have gotten decision wins over Ginger in Vegas. The first one gave Ginger a shutout. One of the easiest fights he's had, said so by Floyd himself. Yet one of the three judges saw it as a draw, making what should've been a wide UD into a majority decision. The other was Bivol. Not even Ginger's corrupt judges could manage to steal that one away from Bivol. I can easily imagine tears welling up in their eyes as they handed in their scorecards, which by the way were closer than warranted. So yes... other fighters have beaten Ginger in Vegas. We all know that's the only thing you care about because surrounding arguments don't mean anything to you when you're trying to make a point.

I'm not ignoring the fact that GGG would be a tough fight for anyone else other than Ginger at 160. Not "around the weight". Let's be specific here. At 160. IMO, he's got no business at 168, and Ginger will prove that point.

I will continue to reiterate the factors I've considered in stating that GGG should be a walk in the park for Ginger:

• WEIGHT - GGG has fought his entire career at 160. He hasn't ventured to 168 for a reason. You can argue till the cows come home that he'll do ok there. It's an unknown. By contrast, Ginger has fought as high as 175. His younger body is more capable of going up and down in weight. You can bet he'll rehydrate to where he's very much bigger than GGG at fight night.
• AGE - Mentioning GGG's two titles has nothing to do with the fact that he's 40 years old, an age that all boxing experts agree is way past a boxer's prime. This shouldn't even be up for discussion. Ginger on the other hand is in his prime. Case closed.
• PRECEDENTS - What more proof do you need than their first two fights? GGG was robbed in the first one, as have many other fighters before him. It's a given that Ginger doesn't lose decisions in Vegas. Only Floyd and Bivol accomplished that... and I've already explained the reasons why.

So basically you have an over-the-hill fighter, who has already been screwed twice in Vegas against this very same fighter... is moving up in weight for the first time... who KNOWS he needs a knockout to beat Ginger in Vegas...
am I leaving something out?

By the way, knowing you need a knockout to win basically changes your whole fight strategy. You take more chances... you become more offensive, sacrificing a bit of your defense.
This is what leads me to believe that this time Ginger will win by knockout.

From here on out I will just copy/paste my reasons. I'm getting tired of typing.

i named five guys from one sixty & you only mention a guy from one fifty four. why the need to compare one sixty to one forty seven? i named five guys from one sixty for you. if you need to examine the guys i named individually so you can make an informed decision i understand, i just hope you didn't ignore the names i posted on purpose. out of the guys i named i'd have zhanibek as fifty fifty against ggg next, i might even have him as a slight favourite. the other guys i mentioned favour ggg if they were fighting next. i also thought ggg won the first fight, i thought canelo won the second fight. what other fighters do you believe were robbed against canelo in vegas? i've agreed in this very thread that ggg has slipped, i use ggg's title unification fight with ryota to show that ggg is still performing at a high level. ryota is not elite but he is a tough guy & a decent fighter, he came in holding a title & having beaten everyone he had faced, ryota was a credible opponent. one sixty might not have the talent of one forty seven but there are not many fighters from one fifty four to one sixty eight that i'd favour over ggg if they fought next. canelo will probably rehydrate to bigger than ggg but if he makes the weight at the weigh in i have no issues. there is basis for ggg having success at super middleweight, he has already fought & won there. it is not a fact that ggg has fought at 160 for his entire career, you are wrong, the steve rolls fight was at super middleweight. ggg hasn't refused to go up in weight, he has already fought at super middleweight. other fighters have beaten canelo in vegas, that is a fact. canelo lost his last fight in vegas, another fact. i say around the weight because canelo v ggg three is set for super middleweight & have asked you previously about who you favour over ggg from one fifty four to one sixty eight. that is around the weight. i am being specific, you are the only one talking about one sixty alone, i am talking about one fifty four to one sixty eight. as for you list, your first statement is wrong, ggg has already fought at super middleweight. what is the reason ggg hasn't ventured to one sixty eight? ggg has already done okay at super middleweight, it is not an unknown. canelo has fought as high as light heavyweight. canelo's body is younger & probably more capable of going up & down in weight but who are you comparing this to? ggg went back down from super middleweight after the steve rolls fight. also it is natural that as one ages their weight also increases, so ggg may find not having to cut to one sixty beneficial. i agree that canelo will probably rehydrate to much bigger than ggg on fight night, for me if both fighters make the weight at the weigh in then i have no issues. age, mentioning the titles has everything to do with the fact that ggg is forty. i've never said that ggg isn't past his prime. not many fighters are unifying at forty. it's a small list. for me it shows ggg is still performing at a high level & would be a difficult fight for anyone from one fifty four to one sixty eight if they fought him next. i disagree that canelo is in his prime, i feel he has also slipped. i thought ggg won the first fight also, i thought canelo won the second. who are the many other fighters that you feel were robbed before ggg? it is not a given that canelo doesn't lose decisions in vegas, that is a blatant lie. it's a fact that canelo has lost decisions in vegas. basically you feel ggg is over the hill, i disagree, i feel ggg is passed his prime but still a difficult fight for anyone from one fifty four to one sixty eight. you feel ggg was screwed twice in vegas against canelo, i feel it's one a piece. you are wrong that ggg is moving up for the first time. you feel ggg needs a knockout to beat canelo in vegas, i disagree, as other fighters have got decisions over canelo in vegas, including canelo's very last fight. i don't believe ggg thinks he needs a knockout to win & will come in with a game plan he thinks will best get the victory. i think canelo could get a knockout here but i can also see several other scenario's, a tough fight with a decision for either is not beyond the realms of possibility for me. we'll just have to wait at see. cut & paste all you like but please leave out the lies & incorrect statements

[TitoFan]

I'd put Jermell at 50/50 against GGG at 160. Jermell would be moving up to MW for the first time, so there's that. The rest of the guys, I'd have to examine individually. Like I said, 160 is way lesser than 147 in terms of quality right now... so any fighter where I'd favor GGG at 160 isn't a glowing endorsement of GGG, as it is a slight on the general quality of fighters at the top of the division at the moment.

So you wouldn't call a Ginger win a remarkable achievement, but rather a very good win. Fair enough. My opinion's different. If there hadn't already been a precedent, I might be inclined to agree. But they've already fought twice. The first time GGG was robbed, as have other fighters that have fought Ginger in Vegas.

I continue to mention GGG's age, because it's common knowledge that a fighter at age 40, especially below heavyweight, is pretty much beyond his prime. You use the titles to counterargue the age... and I just don't see the relevancy. I've already spoken as to the state of 160 nowadays vs let's say... 147. There's no comparison. Logic tells me that if 160 had the same amount of talent at the top as 147 does now, it's entirely feasible GGG doesn't have any belts today.

Weight is a no-brainer. Ginger may be coming down from a weight he just fought at... but Ginger's wheelhouse is at 168. Anyone who doesn't believe Ginger will rehydrate considerably for the GGG fight is out to lunch. Saying it's "not unthinkable" GGG could have success at 168 is just that... conjecture. No basis. The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career. There is usually a reason why a fighter refuses to go up in weight even one division.

"Other fighters have beaten Canelo in Vegas"? Ok. From an argument perspective, we both know you're reaching. A grand total of TWO fighters have gotten decision wins over Ginger in Vegas. The first one gave Ginger a shutout. One of the easiest fights he's had, said so by Floyd himself. Yet one of the three judges saw it as a draw, making what should've been a wide UD into a majority decision. The other was Bivol. Not even Ginger's corrupt judges could manage to steal that one away from Bivol. I can easily imagine tears welling up in their eyes as they handed in their scorecards, which by the way were closer than warranted. So yes... other fighters have beaten Ginger in Vegas. We all know that's the only thing you care about because surrounding arguments don't mean anything to you when you're trying to make a point.

I'm not ignoring the fact that GGG would be a tough fight for anyone else other than Ginger at 160. Not "around the weight". Let's be specific here. At 160. IMO, he's got no business at 168, and Ginger will prove that point.

I will continue to reiterate the factors I've considered in stating that GGG should be a walk in the park for Ginger:

• WEIGHT - GGG has fought his entire career at 160. He hasn't ventured to 168 for a reason. You can argue till the cows come home that he'll do ok there. It's an unknown. By contrast, Ginger has fought as high as 175. His younger body is more capable of going up and down in weight. You can bet he'll rehydrate to where he's very much bigger than GGG at fight night.
• AGE - Mentioning GGG's two titles has nothing to do with the fact that he's 40 years old, an age that all boxing experts agree is way past a boxer's prime. This shouldn't even be up for discussion. Ginger on the other hand is in his prime. Case closed.
• PRECEDENTS - What more proof do you need than their first two fights? GGG was robbed in the first one, as have many other fighters before him. It's a given that Ginger doesn't lose decisions in Vegas. Only Floyd and Bivol accomplished that... and I've already explained the reasons why.

So basically you have an over-the-hill fighter, who has already been screwed twice in Vegas against this very same fighter... is moving up in weight for the first time... who KNOWS he needs a knockout to beat Ginger in Vegas...
am I leaving something out?

By the way, knowing you need a knockout to win basically changes your whole fight strategy. You take more chances... you become more offensive, sacrificing a bit of your defense.
This is what leads me to believe that this time Ginger will win by knockout.

From here on out I will just copy/paste my reasons. I'm getting tired of typing.

i named five guys from one sixty & you only mention a guy from one fifty four. why the need to compare one sixty to one forty seven? i named five guys from one sixty for you. if you need to examine the guys i named individually so you can make an informed decision i understand, i just hope you didn't ignore the names i posted on purpose. out of the guys i named i'd have zhanibek as fifty fifty against ggg next, i might even have him as a slight favourite. the other guys i mentioned favour ggg if they were fighting next. i also thought ggg won the first fight, i thought canelo won the second fight. what other fighters do you believe were robbed against canelo in vegas? i've agreed in this very thread that ggg has slipped, i use ggg's title unification fight with ryota to show that ggg is still performing at a high level. ryota is not elite but he is a tough guy & a decent fighter, he came in holding a title & having beaten everyone he had faced, ryota was a credible opponent. one sixty might not have the talent of one forty seven but there are not many fighters from one fifty four to one sixty eight that i'd favour over ggg if they fought next. canelo will probably rehydrate to bigger than ggg but if he makes the weight at the weigh in i have no issues. there is basis for ggg having success at super middleweight, he has already fought & won there. it is not a fact that ggg has fought at 160 for his entire career, you are wrong, the steve rolls fight was at super middleweight. ggg hasn't refused to go up in weight, he has already fought at super middleweight. other fighters have beaten canelo in vegas, that is a fact. canelo lost his last fight in vegas, another fact. i say around the weight because canelo v ggg three is set for super middleweight & have asked you previously about who you favour over ggg from one fifty four to one sixty eight. that is around the weight. i am being specific, you are the only one talking about one sixty alone, i am talking about one fifty four to one sixty eight. as for you list, your first statement is wrong, ggg has already fought at super middleweight. what is the reason ggg hasn't ventured to one sixty eight? ggg has already done okay at super middleweight, it is not an unknown. canelo has fought as high as light heavyweight. canelo's body is younger & probably more capable of going up & down in weight but who are you comparing this to? ggg went back down from super middleweight after the steve rolls fight. also it is natural that as one ages their weight also increases, so ggg may find not having to cut to one sixty beneficial. i agree that canelo will probably rehydrate to much bigger than ggg on fight night, for me if both fighters make the weight at the weigh in then i have no issues. age, mentioning the titles has everything to do with the fact that ggg is forty. i've never said that ggg isn't past his prime. not many fighters are unifying at forty. it's a small list. for me it shows ggg is still performing at a high level & would be a difficult fight for anyone from one fifty four to one sixty eight if they fought him next. i disagree that canelo is in his prime, i feel he has also slipped. i thought ggg won the first fight also, i thought canelo won the second. who are the many other fighters that you feel were robbed before ggg? it is not a given that canelo doesn't lose decisions in vegas, that is a blatant lie. it's a fact that canelo has lost decisions in vegas. basically you feel ggg is over the hill, i disagree, i feel ggg is passed his prime but still a difficult fight for anyone from one fifty four to one sixty eight. you feel ggg was screwed twice in vegas against canelo, i feel it's one a piece. you are wrong that ggg is moving up for the first time. you feel ggg needs a knockout to beat canelo in vegas, i disagree, as other fighters have got decisions over canelo in vegas, including canelo's very last fight. i don't believe ggg thinks he needs a knockout to win & will come in with a game plan he thinks will best get the victory. i think canelo could get a knockout here but i can also see several other scenario's, a tough fight with a decision for either is not beyond the realms of possibility for me. we'll just have to wait at see. cut & paste all you like but please leave out the lies & incorrect statements

As usual you'll cling onto insignificant details to prove your bullshit points. GGG weighed 163 for the Rolls fight. Rolls weighed 163.8. You want to use that to crow about GGG fighting at super middle? Go right ahead. It makes you look foolish, but since when has that stopped you?

Differences of opinions are not "lies." This is a boxing forum. Learn to deal with other people's opinions. This isn't your neighborhood playground.

I already said my peace. You think Ginger beating GGG this time around is a greater accomplishment than I do. End of.

[TIC]

I'd put Jermell at 50/50 against GGG at 160. Jermell would be moving up to MW for the first time, so there's that. The rest of the guys, I'd have to examine individually. Like I said, 160 is way lesser than 147 in terms of quality right now... so any fighter where I'd favor GGG at 160 isn't a glowing endorsement of GGG, as it is a slight on the general quality of fighters at the top of the division at the moment.

So you wouldn't call a Ginger win a remarkable achievement, but rather a very good win. Fair enough. My opinion's different. If there hadn't already been a precedent, I might be inclined to agree. But they've already fought twice. The first time GGG was robbed, as have other fighters that have fought Ginger in Vegas.

I continue to mention GGG's age, because it's common knowledge that a fighter at age 40, especially below heavyweight, is pretty much beyond his prime. You use the titles to counterargue the age... and I just don't see the relevancy. I've already spoken as to the state of 160 nowadays vs let's say... 147. There's no comparison. Logic tells me that if 160 had the same amount of talent at the top as 147 does now, it's entirely feasible GGG doesn't have any belts today.

Weight is a no-brainer. Ginger may be coming down from a weight he just fought at... but Ginger's wheelhouse is at 168. Anyone who doesn't believe Ginger will rehydrate considerably for the GGG fight is out to lunch. Saying it's "not unthinkable" GGG could have success at 168 is just that... conjecture. No basis. The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career. There is usually a reason why a fighter refuses to go up in weight even one division.

"Other fighters have beaten Canelo in Vegas"? Ok. From an argument perspective, we both know you're reaching. A grand total of TWO fighters have gotten decision wins over Ginger in Vegas. The first one gave Ginger a shutout. One of the easiest fights he's had, said so by Floyd himself. Yet one of the three judges saw it as a draw, making what should've been a wide UD into a majority decision. The other was Bivol. Not even Ginger's corrupt judges could manage to steal that one away from Bivol. I can easily imagine tears welling up in their eyes as they handed in their scorecards, which by the way were closer than warranted. So yes... other fighters have beaten Ginger in Vegas. We all know that's the only thing you care about because surrounding arguments don't mean anything to you when you're trying to make a point.

I'm not ignoring the fact that GGG would be a tough fight for anyone else other than Ginger at 160. Not "around the weight". Let's be specific here. At 160. IMO, he's got no business at 168, and Ginger will prove that point.

I will continue to reiterate the factors I've considered in stating that GGG should be a walk in the park for Ginger:

• WEIGHT - GGG has fought his entire career at 160. He hasn't ventured to 168 for a reason. You can argue till the cows come home that he'll do ok there. It's an unknown. By contrast, Ginger has fought as high as 175. His younger body is more capable of going up and down in weight. You can bet he'll rehydrate to where he's very much bigger than GGG at fight night.
• AGE - Mentioning GGG's two titles has nothing to do with the fact that he's 40 years old, an age that all boxing experts agree is way past a boxer's prime. This shouldn't even be up for discussion. Ginger on the other hand is in his prime. Case closed.
• PRECEDENTS - What more proof do you need than their first two fights? GGG was robbed in the first one, as have many other fighters before him. It's a given that Ginger doesn't lose decisions in Vegas. Only Floyd and Bivol accomplished that... and I've already explained the reasons why.

So basically you have an over-the-hill fighter, who has already been screwed twice in Vegas against this very same fighter... is moving up in weight for the first time... who KNOWS he needs a knockout to beat Ginger in Vegas...
am I leaving something out?

By the way, knowing you need a knockout to win basically changes your whole fight strategy. You take more chances... you become more offensive, sacrificing a bit of your defense.
This is what leads me to believe that this time Ginger will win by knockout.

From here on out I will just copy/paste my reasons. I'm getting tired of typing.

i named five guys from one sixty & you only mention a guy from one fifty four. why the need to compare one sixty to one forty seven? i named five guys from one sixty for you. if you need to examine the guys i named individually so you can make an informed decision i understand, i just hope you didn't ignore the names i posted on purpose. out of the guys i named i'd have zhanibek as fifty fifty against ggg next, i might even have him as a slight favourite. the other guys i mentioned favour ggg if they were fighting next. i also thought ggg won the first fight, i thought canelo won the second fight. what other fighters do you believe were robbed against canelo in vegas? i've agreed in this very thread that ggg has slipped, i use ggg's title unification fight with ryota to show that ggg is still performing at a high level. ryota is not elite but he is a tough guy & a decent fighter, he came in holding a title & having beaten everyone he had faced, ryota was a credible opponent. one sixty might not have the talent of one forty seven but there are not many fighters from one fifty four to one sixty eight that i'd favour over ggg if they fought next. canelo will probably rehydrate to bigger than ggg but if he makes the weight at the weigh in i have no issues. there is basis for ggg having success at super middleweight, he has already fought & won there. it is not a fact that ggg has fought at 160 for his entire career, you are wrong, the steve rolls fight was at super middleweight. ggg hasn't refused to go up in weight, he has already fought at super middleweight. other fighters have beaten canelo in vegas, that is a fact. canelo lost his last fight in vegas, another fact. i say around the weight because canelo v ggg three is set for super middleweight & have asked you previously about who you favour over ggg from one fifty four to one sixty eight. that is around the weight. i am being specific, you are the only one talking about one sixty alone, i am talking about one fifty four to one sixty eight. as for you list, your first statement is wrong, ggg has already fought at super middleweight. what is the reason ggg hasn't ventured to one sixty eight? ggg has already done okay at super middleweight, it is not an unknown. canelo has fought as high as light heavyweight. canelo's body is younger & probably more capable of going up & down in weight but who are you comparing this to? ggg went back down from super middleweight after the steve rolls fight. also it is natural that as one ages their weight also increases, so ggg may find not having to cut to one sixty beneficial. i agree that canelo will probably rehydrate to much bigger than ggg on fight night, for me if both fighters make the weight at the weigh in then i have no issues. age, mentioning the titles has everything to do with the fact that ggg is forty. i've never said that ggg isn't past his prime. not many fighters are unifying at forty. it's a small list. for me it shows ggg is still performing at a high level & would be a difficult fight for anyone from one fifty four to one sixty eight if they fought him next. i disagree that canelo is in his prime, i feel he has also slipped. i thought ggg won the first fight also, i thought canelo won the second. who are the many other fighters that you feel were robbed before ggg? it is not a given that canelo doesn't lose decisions in vegas, that is a blatant lie. it's a fact that canelo has lost decisions in vegas. basically you feel ggg is over the hill, i disagree, i feel ggg is passed his prime but still a difficult fight for anyone from one fifty four to one sixty eight. you feel ggg was screwed twice in vegas against canelo, i feel it's one a piece. you are wrong that ggg is moving up for the first time. you feel ggg needs a knockout to beat canelo in vegas, i disagree, as other fighters have got decisions over canelo in vegas, including canelo's very last fight. i don't believe ggg thinks he needs a knockout to win & will come in with a game plan he thinks will best get the victory. i think canelo could get a knockout here but i can also see several other scenario's, a tough fight with a decision for either is not beyond the realms of possibility for me. we'll just have to wait at see. cut & paste all you like but please leave out the lies & incorrect statements

As usual you'll cling onto insignificant details to prove your bullshit points. GGG weighed 163 for the Rolls fight. Rolls weighed 163.8. You want to use that to crow about GGG fighting at super middle? Go right ahead. It makes you look foolish, but since when has that stopped you?

Differences of opinions are not "lies." This is a boxing forum. Learn to deal with other people's opinions. This isn't your neighborhood playground.

I already said my peace. You think Ginger beating GGG this time around is a greater accomplishment than I do. End of.

what weight division is one sixty three point eight? you are the one making yourself look foolish, i am just correcting you where you are wrong. saying it is a given that canelo doesn't lose decisions in vegas is a lie, it's a fact canelo has lost decisions in vegas. i think anyone beating ggg next from one fifty four to one sixty eight would be a very good accomplishment

[TitoFan]

what weight division is one sixty three point eight? you are the one making yourself look foolish, i am just correcting you where you are wrong. saying it is a given that canelo doesn't lose decisions in vegas is a lie, it's a fact canelo has lost decisions in vegas. i think anyone beating ggg next from one fifty four to one sixty eight would be a very good accomplishment

You're not a child. You know that GGG fighting one fight in his entire career weighing in at 163 doesn't amount to him being a bonafide super middle. But you act like a child when you hang onto that insignificant detail to make an asinine point.

Ginger has won TWO whole decisions in Vegas. I detailed the circumstances of both. But again you act like a child and use those two aberrations to make your point, when I've already explained the circumstances of each.

You're preparing the terrain to crow about the certain Ginger victory as a legacy building fight.

I'm here to correct you and tell you it's a given. Ginger gets no credit for beating the smaller, older man who Ginger has already robbed with Vegas judges.

You keep posting. We'll fill the thread with your bullshit.

[TIC]

The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career.

from post number eighty seven of this thread. is this a fact or not titofan? you can't just make up your own facts

[TitoFan]

The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career.

from post number eighty seven of this thread. is this a fact or not titofan? you can't just make up your own facts

You haven't taken enough punishment and want to keep poking the bear? Suit yourself.

In 43 professional fights, Golovkin fought at 160 for 42 of them.

In ONE professional fight he fought at 163, technically above the MW limit and in the SMW category. (Still well below the SWM limit of 168 ).

In my opinion (and that of most adults), that can be accurately described as GGG having fought at middleweight his entire career. FACT.


For pouty nitpicky brats who throw tantrums and have to pick on insignificant details to make an asinine point..... GGG's lone fight at 163 constitutes that desperate little moral victory which is akin to a little gold sticky star and smilie on a kindergarten student's notebook so he can take it home and brag about it.


Let's recap.

My position: GGG has fought practically all his career at 160 and thus has a huge disadvantage against Ginger, who has fought as high as 175.

Your position: Because GGG fought once at 163, he's a bonafide SMW and has no disadvantage going into the fight with Ginger.

[TIC]

The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career.

from post number eighty seven of this thread. is this a fact or not titofan? you can't just make up your own facts

You haven't taken enough punishment and want to keep poking the bear? Suit yourself.

In 43 professional fights, Golovkin fought at 160 for 42 of them.

In ONE professional fight he fought at 163, technically above the MW limit and in the SMW category. (Still well below the SWM limit of 168 ).

In my opinion (and that of most adults), that can be accurately described as GGG having fought at middleweight his entire career. FACT.


For pouty nitpicky brats who throw tantrums and have to pick on insignificant details to make an asinine point..... GGG's lone fight at 163 constitutes that desperate little moral victory which is akin to a little gold sticky star and smilie on a kindergarten student's notebook so he can take it home and brag about it.


Let's recap.

My position: GGG has fought practically all his career at 160 and thus has a huge disadvantage against Ginger, who has fought as high as 175.

Your position: Because GGG fought once at 163, he's a bonafide SMW and has no disadvantage going into the fight with Ginger.

so it's not a fact?

[Beanz]

The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career.

from post number eighty seven of this thread. is this a fact or not titofan? you can't just make up your own facts

You haven't taken enough punishment and want to keep poking the bear? Suit yourself.

In 43 professional fights, Golovkin fought at 160 for 42 of them.

In ONE professional fight he fought at 163, technically above the MW limit and in the SMW category. (Still well below the SWM limit of 168 ).

In my opinion (and that of most adults), that can be accurately described as GGG having fought at middleweight his entire career. FACT.


For pouty nitpicky brats who throw tantrums and have to pick on insignificant details to make an asinine point..... GGG's lone fight at 163 constitutes that desperate little moral victory which is akin to a little gold sticky star and smilie on a kindergarten student's notebook so he can take it home and brag about it.


Let's recap.

My position: GGG has fought practically all his career at 160 and thus has a huge disadvantage against Ginger, who has fought as high as 175.

Your position: Because GGG fought once at 163, he's a bonafide SMW and has no disadvantage going into the fight with Ginger.

so it's not a fact?

According to you there is no such thing as facts. Unless you personally manufactured and then calibrated the scales and were there to witness first hand the weigh in, it would just be a fictional theory that gullible people who watch TV swallowed.

[TitoFan]

The fact is GGG has fought at 160 for his entire career.

from post number eighty seven of this thread. is this a fact or not titofan? you can't just make up your own facts

You haven't taken enough punishment and want to keep poking the bear? Suit yourself.

In 43 professional fights, Golovkin fought at 160 for 42 of them.

In ONE professional fight he fought at 163, technically above the MW limit and in the SMW category. (Still well below the SWM limit of 168 ).

In my opinion (and that of most adults), that can be accurately described as GGG having fought at middleweight his entire career. FACT.


For pouty nitpicky brats who throw tantrums and have to pick on insignificant details to make an asinine point..... GGG's lone fight at 163 constitutes that desperate little moral victory which is akin to a little gold sticky star and smilie on a kindergarten student's notebook so he can take it home and brag about it.


Let's recap.

My position: GGG has fought practically all his career at 160 and thus has a huge disadvantage against Ginger, who has fought as high as 175.

Your position: Because GGG fought once at 163, he's a bonafide SMW and has no disadvantage going into the fight with Ginger.

so it's not a fact?