Terence Crawford v David Avanesyan 10/12/23

[imp]

Bud is no pound for pound anything.

Scared to loose the 0.

Canelo should come out and say he will fight Benevidez now to put them both to shame!

[Master]

TERENCE CRAWFORD is set to earn a career-high purse for his next fight... which will NOT be against Errol Spence Jr.

According to ESPN, the three-weight world champion is in line to receive a ten-figure payday.

Spence could now face his WBA mandatory challenger Eimantas Stanionis, 28, who had agreed to step aside for the proposed unification.

But the Texan has also threatened to move up to light-middleweight.

Spence said to Dallas News: "I got to talk to my manager but I already told them I'm at this weight too long.

"I might be moving up I don't know. I might be moving up."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20189...rol-spence-jr/

[mikeeod]

Bud is no pound for pound anything.

Scared to loose the 0.

Canelo should come out and say he will fight Benevidez now to put them both to shame!

I don't think it is fair to put all of the blame on Bud- from all accounts he agreed to everything PBC/Spence were asking for and it fell apart when Bud wanted transparency on expenses from the PBC side. That is a stupid thing to delay a fight over- from the PBC side. I blame both sides but Spence/PBC get more of it from me- they seem to be looking for a reason to have it fall apart. I won't watch either of them fight anyone unless it is a Canelo, Charlo, Andrade...etc. Even Keith Thurman doesn't really interest me at this point- for either guy.

[TitoFan]

Bud is no pound for pound anything.

Scared to loose the 0.

Canelo should come out and say he will fight Benevidez now to put them both to shame!

I don't think it is fair to put all of the blame on Bud- from all accounts he agreed to everything PBC/Spence were asking for and it fell apart when Bud wanted transparency on expenses from the PBC side. That is a stupid thing to delay a fight over- from the PBC side. I blame both sides but Spence/PBC get more of it from me- they seem to be looking for a reason to have it fall apart. I won't watch either of them fight anyone unless it is a Canelo, Charlo, Andrade...etc. Even Keith Thurman doesn't really interest me at this point- for either guy.

I don't know... mikeeod. Like most, I have enough frustration and disappointment to spread thickly on both Crawford and Spence.

But IMO, and lacking the inside knowledge of what goes on behind closed doors... I'm forced to look at their respective resumes.

Spence has been at welter since like, forever... and his list of victims trumps Crawford's, IMO.

Going by their two common top tier opponents, Kell Brook and Shawn Porter, Spence could claim that Crawford fought his leftovers. Not that that means a hell of a lot in this case... but if we're nitpicking...

Crawford is the one who moved up to welter and is looking to make a statement. Spence has already faced elite opposition at that weight, like Danny Garcia.

I like Crawford and rate him highly.

But my frustrations are about 60/40 right now, with Crawford having the bigger slice.

And now the visuals of Crawford going off and fighting someone else, well...

[Spicoli]

Boxing has my head so random this last half year. Becoming convinced that boxers on social media every day is a bad thing . Well the same can be said about all of us I suppose . But you can't come away from this without feeling like you've been played like the ultimate sucker as a fan. Again. Some "media" guy drops a possibility like its absolute fact and all we've had is this revolving dust storm of fans falling in line like its written in stone when honestly, it's clear the fighters had not completely committed. Fans don't debate or argue fight outcomes and records etc much anymore. We're too busy arguing purses, contract clauses, which fighter owns more cars and information obtained in a meme that now passes as fact like we were sitting in the room. I'm dating myself but I'm also sure that if HBO or old Showtime were around this fight may have actually come off. Boxing today is missing a critical component of big match making...consistent build up and regular exposure to fans. Not just the one's shelling out $80 PPV now weekly or one's able to find a blurry link. That's a whole different rant though.

The fight specifically well...it sucks. It's like listening to a master Chef stand on a table and recite his specialties and culinary experiences and then suddenly returning from the kitchen and throwing you a brown bag lunch of expired milk and an egg salad sandwich. I like Bud, always have. But I just cannot figure out what he's doing now. So he never actually signed with PBC, didn't realize that. He wallowed at Top Rank and all we heard was what a shit Arum was for "holding him back and not getting huge fights". He breaks out and plays this up for literally more than a year, stays inactive, and now agrees to do a PPV on some random unknown app no one has heard of against a UK domestic talent, just real, who's biggest claim to fame in retiring a 101 used up Shane Mosley. For probably just a fraction of the money vs Spence. There is no doubt they had been planning Avanesyan fight for a while. But it's literally a backward step at a critical career point when he should be absolutely blowing UP and taking names in a completely stacked 147. But no not even a hint of it. No Boots Ennis, Ortiz Jr, Spence, not even a Ugas or Keith. Just egg salad dude on a platform question mark. For A man who talks on and on about P4P and already being a certain HOF if he retired tomorrow..I just don't buy it anymore.

[TitoFan]

Boxing has my head so random this last half year. Becoming convinced that boxers on social media every day is a bad thing . Well the same can be said about all of us I suppose . But you can't come away from this without feeling like you've been played like the ultimate sucker as a fan. Again. Some "media" guy drops a possibility like its absolute fact and all we've had is this revolving dust storm of fans falling in line like its written in stone when honestly, it's clear the fighters had not completely committed. Fans don't debate or argue fight outcomes and records etc much anymore. We're too busy arguing purses, contract clauses, which fighter owns more cars and information obtained in a meme that now passes as fact like we were sitting in the room. I'm dating myself but I'm also sure that if HBO or old Showtime were around this fight may have actually come off. Boxing today is missing a critical component of big match making...consistent build up and regular exposure to fans. Not just the one's shelling out $80 PPV now weekly or one's able to find a blurry link. That's a whole different rant though.

The fight specifically well...it sucks. It's like listening to a master Chef stand on a table and recite his specialties and culinary experiences and then suddenly returning from the kitchen and throwing you a brown bag lunch of expired milk and an egg salad sandwich. I like Bud, always have. But I just cannot figure out what he's doing now. So he never actually signed with PBC, didn't realize that. He wallowed at Top Rank and all we heard was what a shit Arum was for "holding him back and not getting huge fights". He breaks out and plays this up for literally more than a year, stays inactive, and now agrees to do a PPV on some random unknown app no one has heard of against a UK domestic talent, just real, who's biggest claim to fame in retiring a 101 used up Shane Mosley. For probably just a fraction of the money vs Spence. There is no doubt they had been planning Avanesyan fight for a while. But it's literally a backward step at a critical career point when he should be absolutely blowing UP and taking names in a completely stacked 147. But no not even a hint of it. No Boots Ennis, Ortiz Jr, Spence, not even a Ugas or Keith. Just egg salad dude on a platform question mark. For A man who talks on and on about P4P and already being a certain HOF if he retired tomorrow..I just don't buy it anymore.

Nail on head. Especially the first paragraph. THAT... is the state of boxing and boxing fans today. Remember, a lot of social media is about who gets to break the news first. That alone serves up a recipe for confusion and frustration, especially for those who hang on to every word they read on Facebook. This is true not only for boxing, but across the wide spectrum of society. Everyone wants to be the first to know, AND... tell everyone else. There's more than a little chest-thumping involved.

And this: "Fans don't debate or argue fight outcomes and records etc much anymore. We're too busy arguing purses, contract clauses, which fighter owns more cars and information obtained in a meme that now passes as fact like we were sitting in the room."

This is something I railed about years ago. I became tired of reading so much about purses, negotiations, clauses, Sides A and B, etc. Everything but the fights themselves. And sometimes they didn't even HAPPEN!

But hey whatever. In the end, Bud Crawford will go down in history as a gigantic "what could've been." Age will soon be a serious issue... and he'll become expired goods. And yes... he's got no one to blame but himself. You're right. Bob Arum isn't around anymore to take the blame. It's like having pulled the curtain back on the Wizard of Oz and discovering he was just a diminutive man with an expensive sound system.

This is why I personally have a category called "I Just Don't Care Anymore." I got there with Wilder-Joshua, and I'm quickly approaching it with Spence-Crawford.

[Spicoli]

Boxing has my head so random this last half year. Becoming convinced that boxers on social media every day is a bad thing . Well the same can be said about all of us I suppose . But you can't come away from this without feeling like you've been played like the ultimate sucker as a fan. Again. Some "media" guy drops a possibility like its absolute fact and all we've had is this revolving dust storm of fans falling in line like its written in stone when honestly, it's clear the fighters had not completely committed. Fans don't debate or argue fight outcomes and records etc much anymore. We're too busy arguing purses, contract clauses, which fighter owns more cars and information obtained in a meme that now passes as fact like we were sitting in the room. I'm dating myself but I'm also sure that if HBO or old Showtime were around this fight may have actually come off. Boxing today is missing a critical component of big match making...consistent build up and regular exposure to fans. Not just the one's shelling out $80 PPV now weekly or one's able to find a blurry link. That's a whole different rant though.

The fight specifically well...it sucks. It's like listening to a master Chef stand on a table and recite his specialties and culinary experiences and then suddenly returning from the kitchen and throwing you a brown bag lunch of expired milk and an egg salad sandwich. I like Bud, always have. But I just cannot figure out what he's doing now. So he never actually signed with PBC, didn't realize that. He wallowed at Top Rank and all we heard was what a shit Arum was for "holding him back and not getting huge fights". He breaks out and plays this up for literally more than a year, stays inactive, and now agrees to do a PPV on some random unknown app no one has heard of against a UK domestic talent, just real, who's biggest claim to fame in retiring a 101 used up Shane Mosley. For probably just a fraction of the money vs Spence. There is no doubt they had been planning Avanesyan fight for a while. But it's literally a backward step at a critical career point when he should be absolutely blowing UP and taking names in a completely stacked 147. But no not even a hint of it. No Boots Ennis, Ortiz Jr, Spence, not even a Ugas or Keith. Just egg salad dude on a platform question mark. For A man who talks on and on about P4P and already being a certain HOF if he retired tomorrow..I just don't buy it anymore.

Nail on head. Especially the first paragraph. THAT... is the state of boxing and boxing fans today. Remember, a lot of social media is about who gets to break the news first. That alone serves up a recipe for confusion and frustration, especially for those who hang on to every word they read on Facebook. This is true not only for boxing, but across the wide spectrum of society. Everyone wants to be the first to know, AND... tell everyone else. There's more than a little chest-thumping involved.

And this: "Fans don't debate or argue fight outcomes and records etc much anymore. We're too busy arguing purses, contract clauses, which fighter owns more cars and information obtained in a meme that now passes as fact like we were sitting in the room."

This is something I railed about years ago. I became tired of reading so much about purses, negotiations, clauses, Sides A and B, etc. Everything but the fights themselves. And sometimes they didn't even HAPPEN!

But hey whatever. In the end, Bud Crawford will go down in history as a gigantic "what could've been." Age will soon be a serious issue... and he'll become expired goods. And yes... he's got no one to blame but himself. You're right. Bob Arum isn't around anymore to take the blame. It's like having pulled the curtain back on the Wizard of Oz and discovering he was just a diminutive man with an expensive sound system.

This is why I personally have a category called "I Just Don't Care Anymore." I got there with Wilder-Joshua, and I'm quickly approaching it with Spence-Crawford.

It's almost as bad as modern Washington Politics, the fandom and thinking we actually have a side that gives a shat what we think when in reality both have a hand in depriving us of what we really need/want. Except modern politics is possibly slightly more honest about it .

I want Crawford to excel and be that HOF scalp taker and soul breaker. But actions are everything. Saying all this I recognize PBC is its own little molded clusterfeck too. I sincerely wonder about their future commitment to other big fights being missed. Spence has already stated he's fighting, he seriously needs to go big.

[J_Undisputed]

Bud is no pound for pound anything.

Scared to loose the 0.

Canelo should come out and say he will fight Benevidez now to put them both to shame!

I don't think it is fair to put all of the blame on Bud- from all accounts he agreed to everything PBC/Spence were asking for and it fell apart when Bud wanted transparency on expenses from the PBC side. That is a stupid thing to delay a fight over- from the PBC side. I blame both sides but Spence/PBC get more of it from me- they seem to be looking for a reason to have it fall apart. I won't watch either of them fight anyone unless it is a Canelo, Charlo, Andrade...etc. Even Keith Thurman doesn't really interest me at this point- for either guy.

I agree with this. Bud Left top rank when he knew they couldn't get the fight made (wise or unwise is for you to decide). So he goes independent, tries to negotiate a fight deal with PBC. Agrees to everything but the deal get shut down because he wasn't as dumb as pbc wanted him to be. That being said, Spence probably isn't using this as a reason to duck Bud... more of a case of "i just lay the golden eggs, and jack needs to hash things out with the giant" This is probably where having a promoter would have been most valuable. PBC will never be honest with anyone about their expenses and another promoter wouldn't ask because they already know from being in the business and knowing how haymon works. PBC is an enabler of fighters wanting floyd money for Minimum output. This creates this league of Boxertainers that think they're worthy of it. The casuals take the bait and fund it. The only way you make these guys fight it to stop paying for them to be gigolo entertainer types. -- I won't blame bud for a fight in the meantime that keeps the lights on and gas in the furnace, in the meantime. Of the options out there, how many are PBC fighters? of the more elite fighters that people pay for don't make sense promotion wise till Bud crosses that the threshold of making Mega millions per fight. That threshold being spence. Even if spence got the lions share. He would be beating the man and those other guys would have to pay his price. The think is if that threshold moves up to middleweight(the timing of that spence statement is a bit dubious though--probably just a head fake -- but who knows), bud still becomes the man/ central figure of the division, but will not get as much per fight till he unifies all the belts.

[Master]

Errol Spence’s next fight may be against Jaron Ennis or Eimantas Stanionis as mandatory challengers push for their shot after Terence Crawford talks collapsed

Errol Spence is now being chased down by two mandatory challengers after failing to finalise a fight with Terence Crawford.

Spence is the WBA, WBC and IBF welterweight world champion and was deep in talks for an undisputed showdown with WBO champion Crawford this year.

However, due to issues at contract stages after the pair had agreed terms, they will not be facing one another next.

Instead of working with Spence’s advisor Al Haymon, Crawford has now announced a fight with David Avanesyan on December 10 under a different company.

As a result, Spence’s next fight is up in the air.

He has two outstanding mandatory challengers who are now pushing for their opportunities.

First is Lithuania’s Eimantas Stanionis, 28, who holds the lesser WBA ‘regular’ belt and so is in line for the legitimate WBA champion Spence.

Stanionis is 14-0 (9 KOs) and has petitioned the WBA to order Spence to fight him next.

“I have the first right to fight with Spence,” Stanionis said on social media.

“If he does not fight or forfeit the WBA ‘super’ champion title, there will be no WBA super duper champion and only the one I have will remain.”

The second challenger is IBF mandatory Jaron Ennis, who won a final eliminator in May to earn his shot.

The 25-year-old American is highly rated as one of the sport’s future stars and already holds a record of 29-0 (27 KOs).

Derrick ‘Bozy’ Ennis, Jaron’s father, trainer and manager told YSM Sports Media: “Look how long it’s been, Spence ain’t done none of them mandatories. We sent a petition to [the IBF] already.”

Time will tell which opponent Spence has to take next, though it’s known that there is also a possibility he could move up in weight, seemingly killing the chances of a Crawford fight for good.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1...ence-crawford/

[Primo Carnera]

I would like to see Spence fight Ennis I have to say. Maybe it'll be a Passing of the Torch moment.
on the minus side, I'm pretty certain that after that , Spence goes up to LMW and the Crawford fight is gone forever.

[J_Undisputed]

I don't think Spence is going to fight with Ennis. Especially if everything took that long to drag out with Bud. If he does, I'll give him a lot more credit than I have been. Of course Spence has the time to make the fight and train accordingly. The thing about Bud telling PBC he was fighting before the end of the year became a catalyst for them trying to bend him over. PBC drags it out on negotiations, So bud has a short camp due to a self imposed deadline, while spence has been drawing up strategy and planning training camp the entire time and Buds been hanging on their say so. Bud say i don't need you to make money, i can fight... that guy over there... Spence says.. "pfft whos that guy, you can't make money fighting that guy.... you'll be back..." In the meantime... do I fight Ennis or same myself the risk and the wear n' tear by fighting... another version of 'that guy'? He's already said hes not fight thurman, So if he moves up, Ennis, Stanionis, Thurman are left on the table for Bud along with Buds Mandatory, Ortiz.

If Spence moves up, Ennis Fighting Ortiz clears up the rankings a lot. Bud still needs a fight that crosses him over and gives him Parity at the negotiating table. Ugas or Thurman maybe but Thurman needs a showcase first and Bud would be back to square one... dealing with PBC.

[Primo Carnera]

Is Keith Thurman still relevant? What has he done in the last 5 years?

[Master]

That was an elite performance from Crawford. He was so calm and destructive not phased by the attack from Avanesyan.

It was like watching a prime Sweat Pea.

The stadium was packed and atmosphere great. Think Crawford got 10 million from this 1 fight deal so he is doing well since leaving Arum.

[TitoFan]

Ok.

So we know that 147-pound Crawford can beat David (who?) Avanesyan.

We know he can beat the toothy Shawn Porter.

We know he can beat "damaged goods" Kell Brook.

We know he can beat glass-chinned Amir Khan.



And now... I guess now we'll never know whether he could have beaten Errol Spence, because the damn guy just had another car crash.

So...



So basically we're left with millions of pages of writing by boxing experts and fans alike... with reams upon reams of babbling social media... opining about a fight that will NEVER happen.

In fact... a fight that was probably never going to happen in the first place.

Why? Because boxing today is all about "the talk."

It's about the Ryan Garcias of the world, who... with ONE good fight in his resume... calls himself King... has a billion Instagram followers... and gets more free press than fighters who have toiled in obscurity for years.

It's about Spence and Crawford and their mythical matchup.

Bloody hell. I'll bet there's been better physical brawls between followers of these two... than they themselves will EVER have.



Sometimes this sport makes me sick.

[Ron Swanson]

Ok.

So we know that 147-pound Crawford can beat David (who?) Avanesyan.

We know he can beat the toothy Shawn Porter.

We know he can beat "damaged goods" Kell Brook.

We know he can beat glass-chinned Amir Khan.



And now... I guess now we'll never know whether he could have beaten Errol Spence, because the damn guy just had another car crash.

So...



So basically we're left with millions of pages of writing by boxing experts and fans alike... with reams upon reams of babbling social media... opining about a fight that will NEVER happen.

In fact... a fight that was probably never going to happen in the first place.

Why? Because boxing today is all about "the talk."

It's about the Ryan Garcias of the world, who... with ONE good fight in his resume... calls himself King... has a billion Instagram followers... and gets more free press than fighters who have toiled in obscurity for years.

It's about Spence and Crawford and their mythical matchup.

Bloody hell. I'll bet there's been better physical brawls between followers of these two... than they themselves will EVER have.



Sometimes this sport makes me sick.

Don’t leave out Tank being “the man” at 135 even though he isn’t a champion and hasn’t fought a championship level fighter in the division they campaign except once, against Jose Pedraza 5 years ago. But it’s okay because he may fight an Instagram star next year.

There’s little more disgraceful than what has happened at 135. And the guy that did the right things has to run around begging, carrying all the belts and begging

I’m really struggling to maintain the love