The Brexit Thread

[Primo Carnera]

you can't have a rational debate with someone if they continually refuse to acknowledge or respond to a point . It's basically a duck, and i won't have it so I'm walking away from this one.
i would expect that sort of Horseshit from Brock or TIC but i didn't realise you were quite that gutless.

[Master]

you can't have a rational debate with someone if they continually refuse to acknowledge or respond to a point . It's basically a duck, and i won't have it so I'm walking away from this one.
i would expect that sort of Horseshit from Brock or TIC but i didn't realise you were quite that gutless.

I raised the original point that Europe/Brexit was a Tory issue.

You jump in and say no it is not, but it would never have happened under a Labour government. Tories have been arguing even longer than Thatcher, but had it under Major and Cameron who screwed the nation.

You then talk about a different subject namely the referendum. I do not want to go through that debate again, we have all been through it.

I have been rational, and you cannot accept that I am right on my original point. You have been the one avoiding my point and being unduly irrational for no other reason than you like being confrontational.

[TIC]

you can't have a rational debate with someone if they continually refuse to acknowledge or respond to a point . It's basically a duck, and i won't have it so I'm walking away from this one.
i would expect that sort of Horseshit from Brock or TIC but i didn't realise you were quite that gutless.

I raised the original point that Europe/Brexit was a Tory issue.

You jump in and say no it is not, but it would never have happened under a Labour government. Tories have been arguing even longer than Thatcher, but had it under Major and Cameron who screwed the nation.

You then talk about a different subject namely the referendum. I do not want to go through that debate again, we have all been through it.

I have been rational, and you cannot accept that I am right on my original point. You have been the one avoiding my point and being unduly irrational for no other reason than you like being confrontational.

primo carnera is very dishonest & is unable to have an honest discussion without introducing strawman arguments to divert from the original topic

[Primo Carnera]

you can't have a rational debate with someone if they continually refuse to acknowledge or respond to a point . It's basically a duck, and i won't have it so I'm walking away from this one.
i would expect that sort of Horseshit from Brock or TIC but i didn't realise you were quite that gutless.

I raised the original point that Europe/Brexit was a Tory issue.

You jump in and say no it is not, but it would never have happened under a Labour government. Tories have been arguing even longer than Thatcher, but had it under Major and Cameron who screwed the nation.

You then talk about a different subject namely the referendum. I do not want to go through that debate again, we have all been through it.

I have been rational, and you cannot accept that I am right on my original point. You have been the one avoiding my point and being unduly irrational for no other reason than you like being confrontational.

Absolute horseshit. You criticise a government for “messing up “ Brexit. You have no clue what is involved in coming out of the EU, yet you criticise.
Love to know what you would’ve done differently to the tories. Laughable.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

you can't have a rational debate with someone if they continually refuse to acknowledge or respond to a point . It's basically a duck, and i won't have it so I'm walking away from this one.
i would expect that sort of Horseshit from Brock or TIC but i didn't realise you were quite that gutless.

I raised the original point that Europe/Brexit was a Tory issue.

You jump in and say no it is not, but it would never have happened under a Labour government. Tories have been arguing even longer than Thatcher, but had it under Major and Cameron who screwed the nation.

You then talk about a different subject namely the referendum. I do not want to go through that debate again, we have all been through it.

I have been rational, and you cannot accept that I am right on my original point. You have been the one avoiding my point and being unduly irrational for no other reason than you like being confrontational.

primo carnera is very dishonest & is unable to have an honest discussion without introducing strawman arguments to divert from the original topic

Indeed. I have found that to be true of him for many a year now.

[Primo Carnera]

you can't have a rational debate with someone if they continually refuse to acknowledge or respond to a point . It's basically a duck, and i won't have it so I'm walking away from this one.
i would expect that sort of Horseshit from Brock or TIC but i didn't realise you were quite that gutless.

I raised the original point that Europe/Brexit was a Tory issue.

You jump in and say no it is not, but it would never have happened under a Labour government. Tories have been arguing even longer than Thatcher, but had it under Major and Cameron who screwed the nation.

You then talk about a different subject namely the referendum. I do not want to go through that debate again, we have all been through it.

I have been rational, and you cannot accept that I am right on my original point. You have been the one avoiding my point and being unduly irrational for no other reason than you like being confrontational.

primo carnera is very dishonest & is unable to have an honest discussion without introducing strawman arguments to divert from the original topic

Indeed. I have found that to be true of him for many a year now.

I take that as an absolute compliment coming from you 2 .(or is it 2??)
#pairofwetwipes

[NoSavingByTheBell]

you can't have a rational debate with someone if they continually refuse to acknowledge or respond to a point . It's basically a duck, and i won't have it so I'm walking away from this one.
i would expect that sort of Horseshit from Brock or TIC but i didn't realise you were quite that gutless.

I raised the original point that Europe/Brexit was a Tory issue.

You jump in and say no it is not, but it would never have happened under a Labour government. Tories have been arguing even longer than Thatcher, but had it under Major and Cameron who screwed the nation.

You then talk about a different subject namely the referendum. I do not want to go through that debate again, we have all been through it.

I have been rational, and you cannot accept that I am right on my original point. You have been the one avoiding my point and being unduly irrational for no other reason than you like being confrontational.

primo carnera is very dishonest & is unable to have an honest discussion without introducing strawman arguments to divert from the original topic

Indeed. I have found that to be true of him for many a year now.

I take that as an absolute compliment coming from you 2 .(or is it 2??)
#pairofwetwipes

Obliged. 😚 2, two, too or to, it's Tu-Tu either way.

[Primo Carnera]

Gotta laugh at @TIC. Puts me on his ignore list because he can’t answer my questions and gets a bit panicky. But he can’t resist to read what I’m posting, as clearly shown by the fact that he feels he has to comment on my post.
Bit pointless really. Or dare I say, Gutless.

[Master]

Brexit is a Tory conspired mess means they should never have gone to a referendum in the first place and it would never had happened under a Labour government because there has never been as much division as there is with the "little Englanders" in the Conservative party.

I meant nothing more than that.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

135-133 in favor of Master after 14 rounds

Primo needs to come out swinging or this is going to the judges scorecards

[Primo Carnera]

Brexit is a Tory conspired mess means they should never have gone to a referendum in the first place and it would never had happened under a Labour government because there has never been as much division as there is with the "little Englanders" in the Conservative party.

I meant nothing more than that.

So what you’re saying is that:
A. You didn’t explain yourself very well. And
B. You deliberately were patchy about your views because you didn’t have the balls to give your socialist allegiance as at the time in general (I don’t count myself in that view)you may not have been taken seriously .

[Beanz]

Brexit is a Tory conspired mess means they should never have gone to a referendum in the first place and it would never had happened under a Labour government because there has never been as much division as there is with the "little Englanders" in the Conservative party.

I meant nothing more than that.

So what you’re saying is that:
A. You didn’t explain yourself very well. And
B. You deliberately were patchy about your views because you didn’t have the balls to give your socialist allegiance as at the time in general (I don’t count myself in that view)you may not have been taken seriously .

I think you are mistaken here Primo. Master has never hidden the fact he voted leave but whilst being a Labour voter. Plenty of people on the left who made a case for leaving the EU. Master was right though in that it was the tories who insisted on a referendum wanting to placate the little Englanders and racists from right across the UK populace.

Of course not every pro Brexit voter was a bigot but the majority of bigots voted leave. Look at the posters here not even from the UK foaming at the mouth and loving the idea of their bigotry being endorsed, normalised and encouraged by Farrage, Johnson, Trump and Musk. Patel and Bravermen are the horrific reality of a tory party all the decent tories don't even recognise anymore.

[Master]

Brexit is a Tory conspired mess means they should never have gone to a referendum in the first place and it would never had happened under a Labour government because there has never been as much division as there is with the "little Englanders" in the Conservative party.

I meant nothing more than that.

So what you’re saying is that:
A. You didn’t explain yourself very well. And
B. You deliberately were patchy about your views because you didn’t have the balls to give your socialist allegiance as at the time in general (I don’t count myself in that view)you may not have been taken seriously .

You got that from what I wrote?

You misinterpreted what I originally wrote and are too shallow to admit that you were wrong.

[Primo Carnera]

I may we’ll have missed that @Master voted to leave whilst being a Labour voter , which in itself is a very rare mix.
But my point from the outset was that you blame the tories, whilst not acknowledging the public’s part in this for voting for something that they were advised by a high majority across the parties not to vote for.
And then I asked how would you have negotiated Brexit any differently, which you promptly chose to ignore.
The reason I asked that is because once the vote has happened to leave, it would be an impossible task for any government, whether Labour, Tory or Lib Dem, to get a fair exit agreement from the EU.

[Beanz]

I may we’ll have missed that @Master voted to leave whilst being a Labour voter , which in itself is a very rare mix.
But my point from the outset was that you blame the tories, whilst not acknowledging the public’s part in this for voting for something that they were advised by a high majority across the parties not to vote for.
And then I asked how would you have negotiated Brexit any differently, which you promptly chose to ignore.
The reason I asked that is because once the vote has happened to leave, it would be an impossible task for any government, whether Labour, Tory or Lib Dem, to get a fair exit agreement from the EU.

I think anyone could have done better, even the monster raving loony party. The same with Covid. Johnson's bunch of cronies were disasterous and thousands died neeedlessly and billions of pounds( ....yes fucking billions) went into the pockets of their chums. These tories are disaster capitalists. They literally gambled on our economy tanking so that they could profit from misery of a botched Brexit. No other government of any political persuasion would have ever done that.