NFL player Damar Hamlin collapses during game; suffers cardiac arrest

[TIC]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

i'm sorry to hear you went through that. glad to hear you are recovering. when you were ill & it was far worse than a cold, may i ask was that at a time after you had your vaccines & boosters? i'm sorry to hear you are now taking medication daily. may i ask did the doctors mention anything to you about blood cots? it sounds like you have made some changes to your diet & exercise. if i may offer a piece of advice, i'm not sure how much you know about nutrition but whole foods & nutrition could be something you might want to research, also have as much fun as you can, laugh as much as you can, enjoy every moment as much as you can with those you love, the body is not the only thing you need to take care off. like the body i believe the the mind can also work similar with what you put in affecting it's performance. i hope your health continues to improve

Thank you all for the kind words and good advice. Especially laughing more.

The only reason I can think that may have contributed to the heart attack is poor sleep and stress in general life.

those are definitely possible causes but didn't you say you also had the covid vaccine, i guessing two shots, prior to your health issues? if that is the case then would it not also go on the list as a possible cause?

It was way back in early 2022. Age is a more probable factor.

i didn't ask when you took it, only if you took it & guessed it was two shots. you doubting taking the vaccine is a cause does not eliminate it as being a possible cause. you put chemicals into your body, why wouldn't a reaction be a possibility? age is definitely a possibility

[Master]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

i'm sorry to hear you went through that. glad to hear you are recovering. when you were ill & it was far worse than a cold, may i ask was that at a time after you had your vaccines & boosters? i'm sorry to hear you are now taking medication daily. may i ask did the doctors mention anything to you about blood cots? it sounds like you have made some changes to your diet & exercise. if i may offer a piece of advice, i'm not sure how much you know about nutrition but whole foods & nutrition could be something you might want to research, also have as much fun as you can, laugh as much as you can, enjoy every moment as much as you can with those you love, the body is not the only thing you need to take care off. like the body i believe the the mind can also work similar with what you put in affecting it's performance. i hope your health continues to improve

Thank you all for the kind words and good advice. Especially laughing more.

The only reason I can think that may have contributed to the heart attack is poor sleep and stress in general life.

those are definitely possible causes but didn't you say you also had the covid vaccine, i guessing two shots, prior to your health issues? if that is the case then would it not also go on the list as a possible cause?

It was way back in early 2022. Age is a more probable factor.

i didn't ask when you took it, only if you took it & guessed it was two shots. you doubting taking the vaccine is a cause does not eliminate it as being a possible cause. you put chemicals into your body, why wouldn't a reaction be a possibility? age is definitely a possibility

I have had 3 jabs in total.

[Beanz]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

That's why I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects

i don't agree with this personally, not trying to argue just my opinion. i haven't had a medical check up in near a decade. for me one's health is the responsibility of that individual. this last three years has shown me that many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health, rather than deal with the causes of an illness they will rather use medication to suppress symptoms rather than cure the cause of the illness, not fixing the problem & often leading to more issues. this is just my own personal opinion & i'm not saying i believe all in the medical industry are this way

Except in Masters case without 'the medical establishment' he wouldn't be here. Without medication suppressing symptoms, my wife would risk dying from epileptic convulsions every day instead of a few times a year. If you are able bodied it is fine to think you have it all sorted, but you are deluding yourself.

You really do sound incredibly idiotic much of the time.

who's to say that the chemicals that have been put into masters & your wife's body throughout their lives hasn't lead in some way to where their health is today? i'm not deluding myself, i just listen to what my body tells & shows me & make changes as necessary. not even a week into the new year & your already throwing the insults larry? can't you ever just be civil & just disagree & have a rational discussion you spergy spastic little parasite? did you miss the part where i said it was my opinion you retard? & from what you are saying my health sounds like it's lights years better than yours & your wife's & masters, so i think i good larry

Calling some a 'spergy spastic little parasite' is an insult, pointing out that much of what you say (including the insults) makes you sound... Incredibly idiotic, is not an insult or even an opinion, it is a fact.

calling someone's opinion incredibly idiotic is an insult you spastic retard. keep taking your meds spergy, you are the type of life long customer big pharma wants

I don't take any medication except having a sense of humour and a healthy perspective on life which hopefully you will develop once your balls drop.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

fig-cherry-prune-white icing-rum/brandy cake

[TIC]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

That's why I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects

i don't agree with this personally, not trying to argue just my opinion. i haven't had a medical check up in near a decade. for me one's health is the responsibility of that individual. this last three years has shown me that many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health, rather than deal with the causes of an illness they will rather use medication to suppress symptoms rather than cure the cause of the illness, not fixing the problem & often leading to more issues. this is just my own personal opinion & i'm not saying i believe all in the medical industry are this way

Except in Masters case without 'the medical establishment' he wouldn't be here. Without medication suppressing symptoms, my wife would risk dying from epileptic convulsions every day instead of a few times a year. If you are able bodied it is fine to think you have it all sorted, but you are deluding yourself.

You really do sound incredibly idiotic much of the time.

who's to say that the chemicals that have been put into masters & your wife's body throughout their lives hasn't lead in some way to where their health is today? i'm not deluding myself, i just listen to what my body tells & shows me & make changes as necessary. not even a week into the new year & your already throwing the insults larry? can't you ever just be civil & just disagree & have a rational discussion you spergy spastic little parasite? did you miss the part where i said it was my opinion you retard? & from what you are saying my health sounds like it's lights years better than yours & your wife's & masters, so i think i good larry

Calling some a 'spergy spastic little parasite' is an insult, pointing out that much of what you say (including the insults) makes you sound... Incredibly idiotic, is not an insult or even an opinion, it is a fact.

calling someone's opinion incredibly idiotic is an insult you spastic retard. keep taking your meds spergy, you are the type of life long customer big pharma wants

I don't take any medication except having a sense of humour and a healthy perspective on life which hopefully you will develop once your balls drop.

vaccines are medicine retard

[TIC]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

i'm sorry to hear you went through that. glad to hear you are recovering. when you were ill & it was far worse than a cold, may i ask was that at a time after you had your vaccines & boosters? i'm sorry to hear you are now taking medication daily. may i ask did the doctors mention anything to you about blood cots? it sounds like you have made some changes to your diet & exercise. if i may offer a piece of advice, i'm not sure how much you know about nutrition but whole foods & nutrition could be something you might want to research, also have as much fun as you can, laugh as much as you can, enjoy every moment as much as you can with those you love, the body is not the only thing you need to take care off. like the body i believe the the mind can also work similar with what you put in affecting it's performance. i hope your health continues to improve

Thank you all for the kind words and good advice. Especially laughing more.

The only reason I can think that may have contributed to the heart attack is poor sleep and stress in general life.

those are definitely possible causes but didn't you say you also had the covid vaccine, i guessing two shots, prior to your health issues? if that is the case then would it not also go on the list as a possible cause?

It was way back in early 2022. Age is a more probable factor.

i didn't ask when you took it, only if you took it & guessed it was two shots. you doubting taking the vaccine is a cause does not eliminate it as being a possible cause. you put chemicals into your body, why wouldn't a reaction be a possibility? age is definitely a possibility

I have had 3 jabs in total.

thanks for the information. so you admit that on three separate occasions in the recent past, not including any other medications or chemicals that you might have put into your body over that time knowingly or not until your health issues began, you have put chemicals into your body three times & you don't think it's a possibility that you might have had some kind of reaction?

[Master]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

i'm sorry to hear you went through that. glad to hear you are recovering. when you were ill & it was far worse than a cold, may i ask was that at a time after you had your vaccines & boosters? i'm sorry to hear you are now taking medication daily. may i ask did the doctors mention anything to you about blood cots? it sounds like you have made some changes to your diet & exercise. if i may offer a piece of advice, i'm not sure how much you know about nutrition but whole foods & nutrition could be something you might want to research, also have as much fun as you can, laugh as much as you can, enjoy every moment as much as you can with those you love, the body is not the only thing you need to take care off. like the body i believe the the mind can also work similar with what you put in affecting it's performance. i hope your health continues to improve

Thank you all for the kind words and good advice. Especially laughing more.

The only reason I can think that may have contributed to the heart attack is poor sleep and stress in general life.

those are definitely possible causes but didn't you say you also had the covid vaccine, i guessing two shots, prior to your health issues? if that is the case then would it not also go on the list as a possible cause?

It was way back in early 2022. Age is a more probable factor.

i didn't ask when you took it, only if you took it & guessed it was two shots. you doubting taking the vaccine is a cause does not eliminate it as being a possible cause. you put chemicals into your body, why wouldn't a reaction be a possibility? age is definitely a possibility

I have had 3 jabs in total.

thanks for the information. so you admit that on three separate occasions in the recent past, not including any other medications or chemicals that you might have put into your body over that time knowingly or not until your health issues began, you have put chemicals into your body three times & you don't think it's a possibility that you might have had some kind of reaction?

I do now that you mention it but overall no.

[TIC]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

i'm sorry to hear you went through that. glad to hear you are recovering. when you were ill & it was far worse than a cold, may i ask was that at a time after you had your vaccines & boosters? i'm sorry to hear you are now taking medication daily. may i ask did the doctors mention anything to you about blood cots? it sounds like you have made some changes to your diet & exercise. if i may offer a piece of advice, i'm not sure how much you know about nutrition but whole foods & nutrition could be something you might want to research, also have as much fun as you can, laugh as much as you can, enjoy every moment as much as you can with those you love, the body is not the only thing you need to take care off. like the body i believe the the mind can also work similar with what you put in affecting it's performance. i hope your health continues to improve

Thank you all for the kind words and good advice. Especially laughing more.

The only reason I can think that may have contributed to the heart attack is poor sleep and stress in general life.

those are definitely possible causes but didn't you say you also had the covid vaccine, i guessing two shots, prior to your health issues? if that is the case then would it not also go on the list as a possible cause?

It was way back in early 2022. Age is a more probable factor.

i didn't ask when you took it, only if you took it & guessed it was two shots. you doubting taking the vaccine is a cause does not eliminate it as being a possible cause. you put chemicals into your body, why wouldn't a reaction be a possibility? age is definitely a possibility

I have had 3 jabs in total.

thanks for the information. so you admit that on three separate occasions in the recent past, not including any other medications or chemicals that you might have put into your body over that time knowingly or not until your health issues began, you have put chemicals into your body three times & you don't think it's a possibility that you might have had some kind of reaction?

I do now that you mention it but overall no.

i'm not trying to offend you here but you seem to have a bit of a blind spot there, maybe cognitive dissonance messing with you? i'm not implying it is the cause but based on the information you have provided it is a possibility. you choose to put your health in someone else's hands, which is your right but the last thing i'll mention is, who profits of your continued illness?

[TIC]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

That's why I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects

i don't agree with this personally, not trying to argue just my opinion. i haven't had a medical check up in near a decade. for me one's health is the responsibility of that individual. this last three years has shown me that many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health, rather than deal with the causes of an illness they will rather use medication to suppress symptoms rather than cure the cause of the illness, not fixing the problem & often leading to more issues. this is just my own personal opinion & i'm not saying i believe all in the medical industry are this way

preach

[TitoFan]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

That's why I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects

i don't agree with this personally, not trying to argue just my opinion. i haven't had a medical check up in near a decade. for me one's health is the responsibility of that individual. this last three years has shown me that many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health, rather than deal with the causes of an illness they will rather use medication to suppress symptoms rather than cure the cause of the illness, not fixing the problem & often leading to more issues. this is just my own personal opinion & i'm not saying i believe all in the medical industry are this way

preach

When I say I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects... I'm focusing on tests and screening that is widely recommended by the medical community for people of certain ages and/or risk factors.

Example: Many people today die of colon cancer. This is a completely preventable death, in most cases, with timely checkups and diagnoses. Prostate checkups are generally recommended for men over a certain age... OR... certain risk factors. Women with family history of breast cancer are encouraged to get regular mammograms and stuff like that.

Blood tests are another area. Some people are predisposed for things like high blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. Some of it is hereditary risk factors. A lot of it admittedly has to do with lifestyle choices and discipline (or lack thereof). I see blood tests as I do oil analysis on an engine. You look for certain parameters, which can be predictive in nature when interpreted properly. Results from blood tests can steer a health professional to recommend the best course of action for a patient. Be it drugs... or be it natural medicine... or be it diet and exercise. Or all of the above.

You mention that "many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health". I won't refute that, other than to say that you'll have bad doctors just like you'll have bad engineers, bad lawyers, bad teachers, etc. But you can't condemn an entire professional because of a few bad apples. Yes... a person's health is his/her own responsibility. As is the proper choosing of medical professionals to help them in the quest for good health.

I believe a good word to use here is "balance." It takes a balanced approach and mentality to manage one's own health. Too much in any one direction leaves you open to a boatload of problems.

[TitoFan]

By the way, as an update... Damar Hamlin was transferred from the Cincinnati hospital that had treated him from the beginning, to a Buffalo, NY hospital to continue his recovery.

He is now in stable condition, and well on his way to a full recovery.

The reason why he had been in Cincinnati until now is that the Buffalo Bills (his team) were the visiting team on that Monday Night Football game in Cincinnati where he became injured.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/damar-h...ardiac-arrest/

"Damar Hamlin transferred to Buffalo hospital a week after Buffalo Bills safety suffered on-field cardiac arrest in Cincinnati"



As a side note, Damar was cheering on his teammates last Sunday when they were back on the field of play (in Buffalo) facing the New England Patriots. Buffalo won that game... and even had a wonderful moment when a Buffalo player ran back the opening kickoff for a touchdown. It was a special moment.

[TIC]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

That's why I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects

i don't agree with this personally, not trying to argue just my opinion. i haven't had a medical check up in near a decade. for me one's health is the responsibility of that individual. this last three years has shown me that many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health, rather than deal with the causes of an illness they will rather use medication to suppress symptoms rather than cure the cause of the illness, not fixing the problem & often leading to more issues. this is just my own personal opinion & i'm not saying i believe all in the medical industry are this way

preach

When I say I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects... I'm focusing on tests and screening that is widely recommended by the medical community for people of certain ages and/or risk factors.

Example: Many people today die of colon cancer. This is a completely preventable death, in most cases, with timely checkups and diagnoses. Prostate checkups are generally recommended for men over a certain age... OR... certain risk factors. Women with family history of breast cancer are encouraged to get regular mammograms and stuff like that.

Blood tests are another area. Some people are predisposed for things like high blood sugar, cholesterol, etc. Some of it is hereditary risk factors. A lot of it admittedly has to do with lifestyle choices and discipline (or lack thereof). I see blood tests as I do oil analysis on an engine. You look for certain parameters, which can be predictive in nature when interpreted properly. Results from blood tests can steer a health professional to recommend the best course of action for a patient. Be it drugs... or be it natural medicine... or be it diet and exercise. Or all of the above.

You mention that "many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health". I won't refute that, other than to say that you'll have bad doctors just like you'll have bad engineers, bad lawyers, bad teachers, etc. But you can't condemn an entire professional because of a few bad apples. Yes... a person's health is his/her own responsibility. As is the proper choosing of medical professionals to help them in the quest for good health.

I believe a good word to use here is "balance." It takes a balanced approach and mentality to manage one's own health. Too much in any one direction leaves you open to a boatload of problems.

each to their own, like i said, ones health is ones responsibility. i'm not interested in what the medical community recommends. they are the ones profiting off peoples continued sickness. i do agree with your statement on lifestyle choices. i also agree on the engine comparison, i see the body as a sort of machine & i'm the ghost in the shell, the better i take care of the machine the longer it will last & the better it will run. i also never condemned an entire community, i did say i don't believe all in the medical industry are this way. if you believe a balance helps, all power to you but i'll never take any medications again in my lifetime

[Master]

What would you do if you were having a heart attack Tic?

[Beanz]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

That's why I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects

i don't agree with this personally, not trying to argue just my opinion. i haven't had a medical check up in near a decade. for me one's health is the responsibility of that individual. this last three years has shown me that many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health, rather than deal with the causes of an illness they will rather use medication to suppress symptoms rather than cure the cause of the illness, not fixing the problem & often leading to more issues. this is just my own personal opinion & i'm not saying i believe all in the medical industry are this way

preach

So as usual fear mongering frightened little TIC has fallen for anything that confirms his own bias and maked him feel clever rather than using any kind of critical thinking.


For starters that photograph is fo the architect Allen Greenberg who is not an MD.


You can see here - https://allangreenbergblog.wordpress.com/

[Beanz]

The reason why I was asking about heart attacks is because I had one in December. It was very scary and was thinking about the kids I would be leaving behind.

I have no history of heart trouble so was surprised when it happened to me.

I am OK now and recovering.

The NHS staff were excellent, and I had a stent fitted as the artery was blocked. I am getting my fitness back.

I was also diagnosed as having Covid at the same time. I thought I had a flu as I could not shake it off and it was far worse than a cold.

I am now suddenly on 6 tablets a day when I did not take any. I will probably be on pills for the rest of my life. These are Aspirin and Statins. I had a small cut shaving and it would not stop bleeding for hours because the tablets thin the blood.

That's why I'm a firm believer in regular medical checkups in all aspects

i don't agree with this personally, not trying to argue just my opinion. i haven't had a medical check up in near a decade. for me one's health is the responsibility of that individual. this last three years has shown me that many in the medical industry are not actually interested in people's health, rather than deal with the causes of an illness they will rather use medication to suppress symptoms rather than cure the cause of the illness, not fixing the problem & often leading to more issues. this is just my own personal opinion & i'm not saying i believe all in the medical industry are this way

preach

This word salad nonsense hardly deserves a response but for fairness sake lets take it at face value.

Who is Greenberg?


Like serial bullshitters Alex Jones , surprise , surprise he runs a supplement company - https://vitaminretailer.com/resource...-formulas-inc/