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    Default Re: Artur Beterbiev: All time & H2H

    I like Andre Ward at super middleweight but he was not big enough to continue his career at light heavyweight. He was fortunate against Kovalev to win, sure Ward showed heart to comeback after the knock down and get the decision. Punching Beterbiev low would not work against him.

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    talking of all time great light heavyweights, does anyone know if fight footage of maxie rosenbloom exists? i think joe calzaghe puts a lacy like performance on artur
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    talking of all time great light heavyweights, does anyone know if fight footage of maxie rosenbloom exists? i think joe calzaghe puts a lacy like performance on artur
    Never heard of him but will look him up. Got me intrigued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    talking of all time great light heavyweights, does anyone know if fight footage of maxie rosenbloom exists? i think joe calzaghe puts a lacy like performance on artur
    Never heard of him but will look him up. Got me intrigued.
    really, cus d'amato gave him high praise & is said to be the inspiration behind the technique that became the pee-a-boo style
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    Default Re: Artur Beterbiev: All time & H2H

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I like Andre Ward at super middleweight but he was not big enough to continue his career at light heavyweight. He was fortunate against Kovalev to win, sure Ward showed heart to comeback after the knock down and get the decision. Punching Beterbiev low would not work against him.

    Ward retired early at the weight for a reason.
    Ward would’ve beaten Beterbiev 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. And I don’t know where you get that he wasn’t big enough to fight at LHW? He was a natural LHW that boiled down to SMW to give him the best chance of getting a World title before moving up.
    Ward’s only problem was outside the ring where he was probably arrogant enough to think that he was smarter than the sharks that exist and consequently fucked his career up relatively speaking.
    Bad decisions, bad contracts, stubbornness, all things that can be labelled at Ward, but could’ve been “the one”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    I like Andre Ward at super middleweight but he was not big enough to continue his career at light heavyweight. He was fortunate against Kovalev to win, sure Ward showed heart to comeback after the knock down and get the decision. Punching Beterbiev low would not work against him.

    Ward retired early at the weight for a reason.
    Ward would’ve beaten Beterbiev 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. And I don’t know where you get that he wasn’t big enough to fight at LHW? He was a natural LHW that boiled down to SMW to give him the best chance of getting a World title before moving up.
    Ward’s only problem was outside the ring where he was probably arrogant enough to think that he was smarter than the sharks that exist and consequently fucked his career up relatively speaking.
    Bad decisions, bad contracts, stubbornness, all things that can be labelled at Ward, but could’ve been “the one”
    Ward really struggled with a prime Kov so he would struggle with Beterbiev who I would argue was better. If he was a natural light heavyweight then he did not have the power to deter Beterbiev.
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    Default Re: Artur Beterbiev: All time & H2H

    Ward had a tough time for about six rounds v kovalev then worked it out and then pretty much owned him for the next 14 rounds and broke him, he did beat kovalev twice remember, well once really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmerq View Post
    Ward had a tough time for about six rounds v kovalev then worked it out and then pretty much owned him for the next 14 rounds and broke him, he did beat kovalev twice remember, well once really...
    The first fight was a close controversial decision and Ward was losing the 2nd fight before he punched Kov in the balls. He should have been disqualified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palmerq View Post
    Ward had a tough time for about six rounds v kovalev then worked it out and then pretty much owned him for the next 14 rounds and broke him, he did beat kovalev twice remember, well once really...
    i had andre losing the first by a point & behind by a point in the second before the fouls. andre had sergey hurt in that second fight but sergey should have been given time to recover from the low blows at the very least with a point taken from andre. andre was lucky not to be disqualified
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    Default Re: Artur Beterbiev: All time & H2H

    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by palmerq View Post
    Ward had a tough time for about six rounds v kovalev then worked it out and then pretty much owned him for the next 14 rounds and broke him, he did beat kovalev twice remember, well once really...
    i had andre losing the first by a point & behind by a point in the second before the fouls. andre had sergey hurt in that second fight but sergey should have been given time to recover from the low blows at the very least with a point taken from andre. andre was lucky not to be disqualified
    Oddly enough, exact same on the two fights from what I recall. Not sure about possible DQ. It's just weird thinking Ward going full 175 vs a peaked Beterbiev especially when other than Kovalev scratch and claw wins, his biggest 175 scalp was the terribly weight withered and drained down Dawson. I just always think of Ward at 175 as a bit inconclusive. Superb talent but he would get the physical inside fight of his life with Beterbiev.

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    Default Re: Artur Beterbiev: All time & H2H

    Really, ward took the life and soul from kovalev in the second fight, totally broke him and kovalev wanted out and even though it was a punch to the balls kovalev clearly had had enough and he did just stop fighting when the ref stopped it.. kovalev won the first battle in my opinion but ward won the war, a third fight and ward would have dispelled any doubt.. kovalev was a total monster at this time too... Imagine a guys only claim to fame at 175 is beating kovalev in his prime!

    Either way i rate pro kovalev above pro beterbiev, kovalev was a bit quicker and more mobile both were super destructive to be fair but I just see ward having a pretty easy time v beterbiev, he's a monster for sure but he's having a tough time v yards and was nearly cleaned out by Callum Johnson, this just isn't ward or rjj level.

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