Joe Joyce v Zhang Zhilei 4/15

[X]

You should not be able to get anywhere near World level, just by having a head like a rock.

It’s been done before though; Chuck Wepner, Joe Bugner, Jake la Motta, George Chiuvalo and others?

[Primo Carnera]

You should not be able to get anywhere near World level, just by having a head like a rock.

It’s been done before though; Chuck Wepner, Joe Bugner, Jake la Motta, George Chiuvalo and others?

Massive insult to Bugner and La Motta and to a lesser degree Wepner and Chuvalo putting them in Joyce’s bracket.
Wepner and Chuvalo were made to look like that against Ali, not Zhang.

[X]

Fair point, and definitely no insult to those guys intended - but at some point in their careers they were primarily known and famous for having cast iiron chins. They could all fight too though

[Master]

[nuggetdotcom]

You should not be able to get anywhere near World level, just by having a head like a rock.

It’s been done before though; Chuck Wepner, Joe Bugner, Jake la Motta, George Chiuvalo and others?

I resemble that remark about one of Britains (via Hungary) true world class heavyweights, ie Joe Bugner. He was born one month after me, and I followed him throughout his career, he could hardly be accused of taking punches due to lack of boxing nous, as 27 rounds with Ali and 12 with Frazier will prove.

And he did enough to beat Henry Cooper!!!!!!!!! A fight that caused ructions between me and my dad, we almost came to blows ourselves!

I met Joe many times (and Marlene!), lovely bloke, and his son Joe Jr. Also by coincidence met Jake LaMotta when I worked in New Joisey during the 80's, happy daze. Please forgive my ageing rambles.......

[Primo Carnera]

You should not be able to get anywhere near World level, just by having a head like a rock.

It’s been done before though; Chuck Wepner, Joe Bugner, Jake la Motta, George Chiuvalo and others?

I resemble that remark about one of Britains (via Hungary) true world class heavyweights, ie Joe Bugner. He was born one month after me, and I followed him throughout his career, he could hardly be accused of taking punches due to lack of boxing nous, as 27 rounds with Ali and 12 with Frazier will prove.

And he did enough to beat Henry Cooper!!!!!!!!! A fight that caused ructions between me and my dad, we almost came to blows ourselves!

I met Joe many times (and Marlene!), lovely bloke, and his son Joe Jr. Also by coincidence met Jake LaMotta when I worked in New Joisey during the 80's, happy daze. Please forgive my ageing rambles.......

Some people don’t get the respect they deserve. Bugner was never really given the credit or respect he merited, mainly because he beat the nation’s hero. “Our ‘Enery.”
Joyce gets a hiding last night. People praising his courage , saying he “wasn’t quite right, there was something off.”
Before the fight , people saying he was better than Joshua.
But I guarantee if that was Joshua last night, he would be SLAUGHTERED!
Different rules for different guys.

[Master]

Eddie Hearn has now advised Joyce to retire if he doesn't fight Zhang next, telling iFL TV: "If he doesn’t rematch Zhang, he should retire. The reality is, Joe Joyce has never boxed an elite heavyweight. Zhilei Zhang is not an elite heavyweight. Joe wasn’t good enough to deal with Zhilei Zhang. When you sell your attributes based on 'You can hit me as hard as you like, and I’ll keep coming.' That’s not the recipe for longevity in a career."

"He gets hit by absolutely everything. I would understand if he retired from boxing. He’s taken unbelievable punishment in sparring, in amateur tournaments and even in the professional code. The reality is Joe Joyce is not an elite heavyweight. If you can’t beat Zhang, you have absolutely no chance of winning a world heavyweight title."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...4d0a2a07&ei=15

[TitoFan]

I guess Hearn doesn't share the notion being floated around here (pre-Zhang) that Joyce would mop up the floor with any of the "Big Three" any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[Spicoli]

Rewatch on the massive screen. Easy to go overboard when we all get "surprised" but Zhang was the absolute picture of poise and confidence. For a massive man he has a natural and pointed but easy approach to him. He clowned Joyce with the variation on his left hand. Hearn basically shatting on and dismissing both is missing the big picture in the current stagnant division. Eddie gonna Eddie.

[Master]

Eddie just wants Joyce out of the way. Joe stopped Dubois and Parker which is impressive. Stylewise Joyce should not have a rematch with Zhang, he is too old and static to change and move his head.

Joyce should smash up Whyte and get back into the equation.