Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
Not feeling the complete confidence for a repeat Biden-Harris ticket. Honestly between the tribes, both Biden and Trump this feels like a blurry dream you wake up in the middle of the night from. Shame on both factions for not cultivating and encouraging new blood knowing where we're heading. And it's not in the form of friggin AOC or a Tim Scott. They say Kennedy is polling in the 20 percent territory . All I see ahead are two very very fractured tickets and split vote. Anyone ever hear this Rep Katie Porter? Talk about sharp and pointed in a heated debate.


Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
I hear ya. Been saying this for months now. I don't buy all the excuses for how there's absolutely nothing to choose from in 2024. There's been enough time. So here we are... with a POTUS who would be approaching 90 by the end of his next term, if elected. And a Pied Piper (and his Minions) who for all intents and purposes should be in prison. And if something happens to Biden between now and when he's given his gold watch and shown the door... you know who's next in line.

Meanwhile, you've got illustrious Congresspeople like AOC on one side of the aisle... and horseface... I mean... MTG... on the other. Get your popcorn and buy your tickets. The circus is only getting started.




The establishment people in parties would like a different leader but that's impossible for different reasons. In the case of the GOP the base, or at least a big enough chunk of them, are still in love with Trump. They're Trump voters first and GOP voters second. Trump is going to win the nomination probably while under multiple indictments and there's nothing anybody can do about it.


In the case of the Democrats Biden is the least worst option. And he's the incumbent. Very difficult to get rid of unless his health goes. The party are going to back him and that's that. If he did have to step down there'd be a primary and it would tear the party apart. Harris would claim it should be her but I'm not sure even all of the black caucus would vote for her as they're interested in winning and she's a loser. But she'd have enough black support to cause a split in the party.



A contested Democratic primary would be a gigantic clusterfuck and could cost the party any shot of winning the election. And there's just nobody on the bench in the party that's any good. Nobody with any kind of national profile who looks like a plausible candidate. Maybe Whitmer, the governor for Michigan I think would be a prospect in 2028. Can win in the midwest and is moderate (both go together). But loads of flaws, is a woman for starters. Amy Klobuchar was a similar type but sunk without trace in the 2020 primary. Voters weren't interested. The California governor is trying to set the stage for himself in the future but is a grandstanding tit. The Democratic version of Meatball Ron.



You can't manufacture candidates otherwise both parties would manufacture the perfect candidate for every election. You just have a bunch of flawed human beings who look in the mirror one day and see a future American president. Then these fuckers run in a quadrennial beauty contest. They have a bunch of image makers and advisors who try and sculpt them into the most electable version of themselves they can possibly be and a lot of them spend years and millions of dollars preparing to run but the majority just sink without trace. One thing about the endless bloody length of American election campaigns is they expose the people running in a lot of detail and the vast majority find they're not ready for primetime/garbage candidates stroke people/nobody likes them.


Which makes you wonder how Trump got elected. The reason is that the GOP voters are so radicalised by their bullshit media that they're basically domestic terrorists these days. And this isn't going away anytime soon, going to get worse in fact. The terrifying thing is they could actually elect Trump next year.



It's a fucking sorry choice America is facing. You have an outright crook on one side who will wreck the American democratic system and usher in an unknown length period of rampant criminality and corruption and significant economic damage if he's elected and he easily could be. On the other side you have an ancient old geezer who is past it and should not be running but there is unbelievably nobody better on the Democratic side. There wasn't four years ago and there isn't now.