Today In Biden Land

[TitoFan]

I'm not into the Prediction Thread, but I'll make one here.

Hunter Biden will help get Trump re-elected in 2024.

Hunter FUCKING Biden.

Yes... bring on all the graphs that show why I'm wrong. Fact of the matter is Hunter has LONG been a HUGE liability to Joe, whether people want to accept it or not.

From the strictly human standpoint, you gotta feel for Joe Biden. He's had a tragic personal life, which included the fatal accident that killed his first wife and his daughter. His oldest son died in 2015 from brain cancer. No one should have to go through such tragedies.

But Hunter has done his father no favors. If nothing else, be considerate of your father's positions in politics, damn it. Hunter has... to put it mega-mildly, placed his father between a rock and a hard place. He's Joe's lone surviving son... and realistically it must be difficult navigating Hunter's wrongdoings while campaigning for re-election. All of us can say how we would handle it... but none of us has ever had to walk in Joe's shoes.

Still, reality is what it is. Joe Biden has two huge liabilities. His fucking son... and his age.

Meanwhile... in the GOP circus tent full of wannabes and spineless flip-floppers... there is NO ONE who will realistically challenge Trump.

So we're fucked.

The only thing that can stop a Trump re-election in 2024 is jail... and so far I'm less than optimistic that is actually going to happen.

And once Trump is re-elected you can only guess what's gonna happen to free elections, right?

[Master]

I hope you are wrong but you are saying Hunter is the new Hillary to get Trump in.

[TitoFan]

In a way, I guess. Hillary was such an unlikable and untrustworthy candidate that people just went with (what they thought was) the lesser evil. Had Trump had a decent opponent in front of him, he would've never been President.

Hunter, I believe, is Biden's main Achilles heel in 2024. If Trump doesn't go to prison, Hunter may well be Joe's undoing.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm not into the Prediction Thread, but I'll make one here.

Hunter Biden will help get Trump re-elected in 2024.

Hunter FUCKING Biden.

Yes... bring on all the graphs that show why I'm wrong. Fact of the matter is Hunter has LONG been a HUGE liability to Joe, whether people want to accept it or not.

From the strictly human standpoint, you gotta feel for Joe Biden. He's had a tragic personal life, which included the fatal accident that killed his first wife and his daughter. His oldest son died in 2015 from brain cancer. No one should have to go through such tragedies.

But Hunter has done his father no favors. If nothing else, be considerate of your father's positions in politics, damn it. Hunter has... to put it mega-mildly, placed his father between a rock and a hard place. He's Joe's lone surviving son... and realistically it must be difficult navigating Hunter's wrongdoings while campaigning for re-election. All of us can say how we would handle it... but none of us has ever had to walk in Joe's shoes.

Still, reality is what it is. Joe Biden has two huge liabilities. His fucking son... and his age.

Meanwhile... in the GOP circus tent full of wannabes and spineless flip-floppers... there is NO ONE who will realistically challenge Trump.

So we're fucked.

The only thing that can stop a Trump re-election in 2024 is jail... and so far I'm less than optimistic that is actually going to happen.

And once Trump is re-elected you can only guess what's gonna happen to free elections, right?

It won't be Hunter Biden that causes Biden to lose, it'll be the media's coverage of Biden and his various issues versus how they cover Trump.

It's all down to context. The vast majority of Americans don't pay nearly as much attention to politics as we do. They get a lot of their news from word of mouth and their freinds on social media or whatever. A lot of people only watch the news while they're doing something else, eating or whatever. I don't watch any media but whatever coverage the Hunter Biden issues are getting should be put in context. What happens is that the media show Trump's various issues and Biden's Hunter/age issues and give them fairly equal seriousness.

Even if every word they said about Joe Biden being involved with Hunter is true, and it isn't*, there's no comparison to Trump. I'm not talking about the coup attempt or the various other indictments, I'm talking about graft and grift while in office. Trump uniquely among presidents refused to divest himself of business interests when he became prez. He was running a business that suddenly for the first time went international and had loads of foreign governments and businesses paying him money. A short and incomplete list. Keep scrolling:

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status...01835507060743


Half a dozen examples there id twitter isn't cooperating.


His daughter was given various business concessions by the Chinese governemt along with Trump who operated a Chinese back account while president. His son in law baled out having made the worst real estate deal in history and bankrupting his family business with hundreds of millions of dollars of Middle Eastern money while working in the White House. He has since been given a couple of billion dollars of Saudi money.

Trump operated a hotel a few blocks from the White House that was a huge source of income from various governments. Foreign governments would book entire floors of rooms at full price for weeks. Endless examples of documented graft just from the hotel.

The point is there was endless graft and corruption from Trump and his family while he was prez. The media should point out that comparing Biden's graft claims, even if true is ridiculous. But they don't so that, they're so constantly attacked for being the liberal media that in election runups they give equal time to the shit that both sides want to talk about. So the public ends up with the idea that both guys are corrupt.

It doesn't hurt as far as the media goes that Trump is a massive ratings machine and him and his people get a huge amount of free time to spout this bullshit because it makes the media money.


The media need to scrap this horserace even handed shot and point out that one party has completely abandoned the rule of law. Every candidate on the debate stage recently said they'd support a four time indicted nominee even if he's convicted of a felony. The election of Trump would be the end of democracy in America, a point what little establishment there is left in America is trying to make:

https://www.mediaite.com/uncategoriz...int-statement/


https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/...57958555820418





Twenty years ago a New York Times columnist pointed out how the GOP working the refs over perceived liberal bias meant they could now get away with endless bullshit. He said that if the Democrats said the earth was round and the GOP said it was flat the NYT headline would be Parties' Views On Shape Of Earth Differ. It's got a lot worse since then. If they're going to cover this election like it's relatively normal and not pooint out that one party is basically full on fascist we're probably going to end wp with a fascist government just over a year from now.

*The worst allegations about Biden are that he met with some of Hunter's business partners but didn't discuss any business. This is massively unethical and walks up the the line legally but isn't illegal. Still a bad look though but nothing at all compared to the previous guy. There's a lot more being said that is demonstrable bullshit but from the media clips I've seen on the internet they're not demonstrating that it is. Instead we're getting Republicans say this, the White House says this bothsides bullshit. They're terrified to tell people the shape of the earth because the GOP are so effective at working the refs and delegitimising them.

[TitoFan]

It won't be Hunter Biden that causes Biden to lose, it'll be the media's coverage of Biden and his various issues versus how they cover Trump.

If Hunter Biden was squeaky clean or at least reasonably guiltless... there would be no media coverage of him and his dad, now would there.

It's all down to context. The vast majority of Americans don't pay nearly as much attention to politics as we do. They get a lot of their news from word of mouth and their freinds on social media or whatever. A lot of people only watch the news while they're doing something else, eating or whatever. I don't watch any media but whatever coverage the Hunter Biden issues are getting should be put in context. What happens is that the media show Trump's various issues and Biden's Hunter/age issues and give them fairly equal seriousness.

Only proves my point even further. The dumbing down of America on full display. People are only too happy to grab onto snippets of what they think is trustworthy news. Social media wannabes are the new journalists. Loudmouths like Trump get legions of Minions groveling after their every thickheaded word (just look at a few examples on this forum). So Hunter's indiscretions (and I claim no more inside knowledge of the details than anybody else can) are wonderful fodder for the Trumpeteers. Whereas Biden's age is not some social media construct. It's a reality. IMHO, being well into your 80's while President is just not good policy. You and I have certainly disagreed on what it takes to identify new candidates. But none of that changes the fact that Biden's quickly becoming too old to effectively hold onto the reins of what might still qualify as the most powerful nation in the world.

Even if every word they said about Joe Biden being involved with Hunter is true, and it isn't*, there's no comparison to Trump. I'm not talking about the coup attempt or the various other indictments, I'm talking about graft and grift while in office. Trump uniquely among presidents refused to divest himself of business interests when he became prez. He was running a business that suddenly for the first time went international and had loads of foreign governments and businesses paying him money.

You know this. I know this. But the hordes of mindless Minions that follow Trump like the Pied Piper either don't know this... or know it but don't care. I don't know which is worse.


Trump finished off a process that was already occurring in U.S. society. The dumbing down, polarization, the need for instant information without the background, the importance placed on social media "experts", etc, etc, etc. All of these became incredibly and instantly magnified under Trump. Trump brought out the worst in people... and laughed all the way to the bank. What to call a (cough) President who calls other nations "shithole countries"? What to call a President that generalizes a whole nation as being "rapists and criminals"? What to call a President that makes fun of a disabled person and then lies about it? What to call a President that claims to want to "drain the swamp" and then proceeds to hire nothing but "yes men"? What to call a President who claims to know more about (fill in the blank) than anyone else?

No MAGA fans give a shit about Trump's profiting off the Presidency (him or his family). They just embrace the "us vs. them" mentality that Trump has so gleefully put forth.

So what continues to piss me off is how easily many things about Biden have played into MAGA Minion hands.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Trump gets elected regardless of fuckwit hunter.

Regardless.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Trump gets elected regardless of fuckwit hunter.

Regardless.

And these phony cringeworthy assholes disappear forever
https://youtu.be/PoXxAsk8Qhw?si=5YJwO1RUKwxPjteP

[NoSavingByTheBell]

https://youtu.be/Pb9SHkZDSQY?si=_qBvO2nGIKBsSbGi

[NoSavingByTheBell]

How is this the same person

https://youtube.com/shorts/wrP_7_-X_...A05swIOoABKgYc

[Kirkland Laing]

If Hunter Biden was squeaky clean or at least reasonably guiltless... there would be no media coverage of him and his dad, now would there.



Only proves my point even further. The dumbing down of America on full display. People are only too happy to grab onto snippets of what they think is trustworthy news. Social media wannabes are the new journalists. Loudmouths like Trump get legions of Minions groveling after their every thickheaded word (just look at a few examples on this forum). So Hunter's indiscretions (and I claim no more inside knowledge of the details than anybody else can) are wonderful fodder for the Trumpeteers. Whereas Biden's age is not some social media construct. It's a reality. IMHO, being well into your 80's while President is just not good policy. You and I have certainly disagreed on what it takes to identify new candidates. But none of that changes the fact that Biden's quickly becoming too old to effectively hold onto the reins of what might still qualify as the most powerful nation in the world.




You know this. I know this. But the hordes of mindless Minions that follow Trump like the Pied Piper either don't know this... or know it but don't care. I don't know which is worse.


Trump finished off a process that was already occurring in U.S. society. The dumbing down, polarization, the need for instant information without the background, the importance placed on social media "experts", etc, etc, etc. All of these became incredibly and instantly magnified under Trump. Trump brought out the worst in people... and laughed all the way to the bank. What to call a (cough) President who calls other nations "shithole countries"? What to call a President that generalizes a whole nation as being "rapists and criminals"? What to call a President that makes fun of a disabled person and then lies about it? What to call a President that claims to want to "drain the swamp" and then proceeds to hire nothing but "yes men"? What to call a President who claims to know more about (fill in the blank) than anyone else?

No MAGA fans give a shit about Trump's profiting off the Presidency (him or his family). They just embrace the "us vs. them" mentality that Trump has so gleefully put forth.

So what continues to piss me off is how easily many things about Biden have played into MAGA Minion hands.

If Hunter was squeaky clean there'd be media coverage of whatever else Republicans were pushing to attack Biden.

Biden is defnitely too old to run for prez. He should gracefully hand over to somebody else and walk away. But there's no way to gracefully do it. Kamala Harris probably still thinks the nation could see her as a commander in chief. Various other useless unelectable fuckers like the California governor would stand for the nomination. There'd be a contested primary of a bunch of second and third rate candidates because there's nobody good with any national profile at all on the Democratic bench. Looking at it it has all the makings of a horrific clusterfuck. The base would probably wish that Biden hadn't stood down and honestly that's probably the least worst option. I'm not going to say Biden is the best option, he's not good, but he's the least worst option available.

The media are going to do him no faavours though. The fucker he'll be running against is only three years younger and lives on junk food. As much as Biden's health could decide things there could easily be a KFC aortic occlusion on the other side but the health/age coverage will go only one way. I know Trump fans are going to support him no matter what but it's the few million and maybe only few hundred thousand swing voters in the mushy middle who need to hear the differencebetween Biden and Trump sleaze. Instead they're going to get Trump says this, the White House says this.

If they put it into context they'd be telling the truth but massively helping Biden and they're too scared to do that because they'd get hit with a GOP shitstorm about how biased they are and the corporations who own the media only make a small fraction of their profits from news and don't want to cause problems for their main businesses so they bothsides everything controversial. Just wait until they impeach Biden. Even some Republicans admit there's zero evidence on which to impreach Biden but they're going to do it anyway.


https://www.rawstory.com/freedom-cau...n-impeachment/


Will the media point this out to the public? No, they'll stay right out of it. Republicans say this, Democrats say this.

[TitoFan]

If Hunter was squeaky clean there'd be media coverage of whatever else Republicans were pushing to attack Biden.

Biden is defnitely too old to run for prez. He should gracefully hand over to somebody else and walk away. But there's no way to gracefully do it. Kamala Harris probably still thinks the nation could see her as a commander in chief. Various other useless unelectable fuckers like the California governor would stand for the nomination. There'd be a contested primary of a bunch of second and third rate candidates because there's nobody good with any national profile at all on the Democratic bench. Looking at it it has all the makings of a horrific clusterfuck. The base would probably wish that Biden hadn't stood down and honestly that's probably the least worst option. I'm not going to say Biden is the best option, he's not good, but he's the least worst option available.

The media are going to do him no faavours though. The fucker he'll be running against is only three years younger and lives on junk food. As much as Biden's health could decide things there could easily be a KFC aortic occlusion on the other side but the health/age coverage will go only one way. I know Trump fans are going to support him no matter what but it's the few million and maybe only few hundred thousand swing voters in the mushy middle who need to hear the differencebetween Biden and Trump sleaze. Instead they're going to get Trump says this, the White House says this.

If they put it into context they'd be telling the truth but massively helping Biden and they're too scared to do that because they'd get hit with a GOP shitstorm about how biased they are and the corporations who own the media only make a small fraction of their profits from news and don't want to cause problems for their main businesses so they bothsides everything controversial. Just wait until they impeach Biden. Even some Republicans admit there's zero evidence on which to impreach Biden but they're going to do it anyway.


https://www.rawstory.com/freedom-cau...n-impeachment/


Will the media point this out to the public? No, they'll stay right out of it. Republicans say this, Democrats say this.

Basically we agree on all points.

Biden's too old... but there's no electable substitute waiting in the wings. The thought of Kamala as Prez is enough to turn the strongest stomach into knots. "Horrific clusterfuck" is precisely the term that fits best to describe having to choose from other current candidates. I agree that Biden is the least worst option available.

Something interesting you brought up about age. Trump is no spring chicken himself... and yet no one seems to say a damn thing about it. Taking a "doomsday" point of view... I've thought about the prospect of Trump somehow being elected. The only silver lining in that scenario is that he HIMSELF would be too old to serve a third term. (Does the 2-term limit apply regardless of whether there was a gap in between?).

Shit. The most powerful nation in the world... and all we have to choose from are a couple of old geezers. One which is DEFINITELY too old to be President... and another one who should be in prison right now.

Politics in the U.S. was always a little dirty... but now it's in ruins... courtesy of frigging Trump. Republicans are caught between a rock and hard place. They either continue to service Trump's manhood at every available opportunity... or they get ostracized by the rest of the Party for the mortal sin of having a backbone and individual thought. Any newcomer who even thinks about being an alternative to Trump gets immediately ripped to shreds by the GOP machinery. The regular Joe Blow on the street who could at least halfway decently articulate elements from their Party platform, now walk around with glazed looks... wearing MAGA hats and not knowing a damn thing (or caring) about the issues.

[Master]

Kamala is being unfairly demonised by the media and opposition. She would make a good president and did a decent job when Biden was in hospital.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Kamala is being unfairly demonised by the media and opposition. She would make a good president and did a decent job when Biden was in hospital.

You may literally be the only human being who thinks that

[TitoFan]

Kamala is being unfairly demonised by the media and opposition. She would make a good president and did a decent job when Biden was in hospital.

Oh wait... wha?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

There was no insurrection and the 20/20 elections were rigged and stolen

#facts