Canelo Álvarez v Jermell Charlo September Thirtieth

[Primo Carnera]

will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything.

IMHO I think the reality is somewhere in the middle of your 2 opinions. Yes, Canelo’s opponents are well thought out to give the gravy train every chance of rolling on. But I think that would be the same with anybody in his position commercially nowadays.
I think Bivol was a judgement error by his team. I don’t like to gloat , but before the fight , I was the only person on this forum that tipped a victory for Bivol. They thought Canelo had enough to walk through Bivol , but didn’t do their homework.
If they had, they would’ve have seen that Bivol is technically very proficient and would give nightmares to Canelo.
But all they saw was that “he’s quite a small SMW.”
Personally I don’t see Canelo fighting Benavidez any time soon. So expect something like Andrade, the other Charlo, Munguia, maybe Eubank Jr! He’s making a lot of noise for it.

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will you give canelo any credit if he fights david b in his three fight contract with pbc? as for suspense, i was saying before the dmitry fight that it was a really hard fight & most of us here agreed that dmitry was the second best light heavyweight in the world at that time, that fight was nowhere near a foregone conclusion. you see it as a miscalculation, i see it as an extremely difficult challenge

IMO it was both. No doubt it became an extremely difficult challenge. But also a miscalculation, because that hasn't been Canelo's M.O. throughout his career. Most of his fights have been coldly pre-calculated, to give Canelo every possible advantage within the rules... (and at least once outside the rules). Taking on Bivol was uncharacteristic for Canelo. No doubt he was emboldened by previous successes against Rocky Fielding and Kovalev. But Bivol turned out to be much more of a live dog. Wanting to challenge Ilunga Makabu, and wanting to drain Badou Jack 20 pounds below his weight... those are more Canelo's style.

Will I give Canelo credit if he fights Benavidez in his 3-fight contract with PBC? Depends. If it does, which I doubt... it needs to happen soon. So Canelo will have no age excuse when he gets KTFO'ed.

BTW... whatever happened to Canelo's previously used excuse about not wanting to fight fellow Mexicans? I remember him pulling that one out from under his sleeve when David's name first started being mentioned.

Ginger's got a ready-made excuse for everything.

IMHO I think the reality is somewhere in the middle of your 2 opinions. Yes, Canelo’s opponents are well thought out to give the gravy train every chance of rolling on. But I think that would be the same with anybody in his position commercially nowadays.
I think Bivol was a judgement error by his team. I don’t like to gloat , but before the fight , I was the only person on this forum that tipped a victory for Bivol. They thought Canelo had enough to walk through Bivol , but didn’t do their homework.
If they had, they would’ve have seen that Bivol is technically very proficient and would give nightmares to Canelo.
But all they saw was that “he’s quite a small SMW.”
Personally I don’t see Canelo fighting Benavidez any time soon. So expect something like Andrade, the other Charlo, Munguia, maybe Eubank Jr! He’s making a lot of noise for it.

i remember you picking dmitry, i was also saying how difficult the fight would be. to be fair canelo had looked pretty unstoppable mowing through the champions at one sixty eight. you might be right, team canelo might have seen dmitry as a smallish light heavy. david b & demetrius andrade are supposed to be fighting next, so the winner would become the obvious choice to fight canelo for me, although i agree with palmerq that it'll probably be the last fight on the contract & i don't see jermall, jaime or chris jr being a bigger fight all around than david b

[Master]

I hope that Charlo lame effort will mean that all talk of Crawford, brother Charlo, Eubank ect are off the table and Canelo will face real challenges at his weight.

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