Wilder resume.

[Primo Carnera]

Fantastic post by @Spicoli there. If people don’t get the message now, I suppose they never will.

[Mark TKO]

Joshua v the Wilder who Fury fought the first time. Where would all your money have been with a gun to your head?

[Master]

Joshua v the Wilder who Fury fought the first time. Where would all your money have been with a gun to your head?

AJ during his undefeated phase would be too good for Wilder. His better boxing skills would mean he lands first in the shoot out.

After the Ruiz and Usyk losses I would bet on Wilder who was delusional enough to land first against a hesitant AJ.

Now AJ, as Wilder looks content being beaten and picking up his money.

[Primo Carnera]

Joshua v the Wilder who Fury fought the first time. Where would all your money have been with a gun to your head?

Joshua. 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. Joshua against any Wilder ever. @Spicoli has gone into great detail to show how Wilder’s CV is padded.

[Mark TKO]

Well mine would have been safely on wilder. I have no doubt that joshua would have been ahead and been leading on all scorecards but in 36 minutes Wilder would land. And it would be over

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Wilder sneaks thru the Heat Seeking missile EASIER than Klit did and with WAY, WAY more force. Joshua ain't getting up. Deontay KO 6

[TIC]

deontay was always smoke & mirrors. he did well with what he had & starting late but his career was carefully maneuvered

[Big J]

Did Wilder over- achieve?
He started boxing at like 20
I'm sure we all agree he wasn't the best technically
With the help of some strategic match-making they got him to Stiverne
I remember many thinking he'd lose
Who expected him to come out & box, winning almost every round?
Then he got to his 1st real big challenge in Ortiz
However much he struggled in that fight he ended it with a shot gun blast in the 10th
He then fought Fury with lineal claims to a draw dropping him twice & with a different ref in a different place the fight could have been stopped
He put Breazeale to sleep & gave Ortiz a rematch
He then re-matched Fury & took a beating
He came back for more though & dropped Fury twice more in their 3rd fight
I personally think his record is thin but he achieved much more than I expected him to

[TitoFan]

Did Wilder over- achieve?
He started boxing at like 20
I'm sure we all agree he wasn't the best technically
With the help of some strategic match-making they got him to Stiverne
I remember many thinking he'd lose
Who expected him to come out & box, winning almost every round?
Then he got to his 1st real big challenge in Ortiz
However much he struggled in that fight he ended it with a shot gun blast in the 10th
He then fought Fury with lineal claims to a draw dropping him twice & with a different ref in a different place the fight could have been stopped
He put Breazeale to sleep & gave Ortiz a rematch
He then re-matched Fury & took a beating
He came back for more though & dropped Fury twice more in their 3rd fight
I personally think his record is thin but he achieved much more than I expected him to

Thank you for adding a different perspective on this.

In this mostly Wilder-hating forum, it's hard to find anyone that'll give him the credit he deserves. True, I did a 180 on him after his piss-poor performance against Parker. I also feel it's a totally different Wilder now than it was back in the "pre-3rd Fury fight days." Mainly because I think he's let the money and fame get to his head... plus the 3rd Fury fight took everything out of him.

But you're right on point regarding his previous fights and resume. He achieved much more than I expected him to, also.

Plus I'll say for the umpteenth time that a Wilder-Joshua fight (before they both got damaged) would've been a fight for the ages... and I would've given each a 50/50 chance.

[Spicoli]

Did Wilder over- achieve?
He started boxing at like 20
I'm sure we all agree he wasn't the best technically
With the help of some strategic match-making they got him to Stiverne
I remember many thinking he'd lose
Who expected him to come out & box, winning almost every round?
Then he got to his 1st real big challenge in Ortiz
However much he struggled in that fight he ended it with a shot gun blast in the 10th
He then fought Fury with lineal claims to a draw dropping him twice & with a different ref in a different place the fight could have been stopped
He put Breazeale to sleep & gave Ortiz a rematch
He then re-matched Fury & took a beating
He came back for more though & dropped Fury twice more in their 3rd fight
I personally think his record is thin but he achieved much more than I expected him to

Fair enough perspective but again save for Ortiz he won and lost every fight I thought he would, one fans pov. Well and then of course there was Parker . And the strategic match making not only led to Stiverne...who won the title as a rated underdog vs Chris Arreola...but continued after. Considering what he was working with and obvious flaws we all saw, sure he did well for himself. But I see it more as a flawed over self promoting fighter leveling off once the levels actually and finally ticked up. The man actually thought he was a more dangerous puncher than Tyson ffs .

[Spicoli]

Joshua v the Wilder who Fury fought the first time. Where would all your money have been with a gun to your head?

Is it a water pistol by any chance . Cannot unsee what actually played out at that time but end of the day I had Joshua beating Wilder. But I never saw it concrete and 100 percent certain. Afterall...it's boxing. AJ was months away from being demolished by Ruiz when Wilder fought Fury. His whole attitude was shat leading up to and entering. He felt all he had to do was stuff a punch in the fat man...who could actually fight a bit...and he'd win. Standing in his corner at intro chewing on his mouthpiece, staring into the lights and slouching. But would he have that let-down mind set if it was Wilder, I don't see it. He'd be sharp and more so feel the live threat of a Wilder who had yet to be torn down clean. But AJ also doesn't get full credit for coming back and actually adjusting. May be crazy to say but in a way he may have gotten slightly better after being dumped on his ass. Certainly shown more gears. He didn't just 'lose' to a fighter in Usyk. He lost to one of the top technical fighters and boxing minds of an era and improved in rematch. I see Wilder having his moment but AJ survives and he's not just sitting there waiting for Wilder to drop a telegraphed wind up bomb. He'd be a 230 lb+ heavyweight throwing back, better timing and in combination with his own legit power bombs. Too many tools for Wilder then and def now. Wins either time.

Damn shame we missed it tbh. No matter who you pull for this fight should have happened years ago! Way too many of those 'big' fights falling by the wayside today.

[Mark TKO]

I accept all these opinions on AJ win.

I mean they're completely wrong but I do accept them.

[Spicoli]

Fantastic post by @Spicoli there. If people don’t get the message now, I suppose they never will.

Thanks bud. Just interesting to dig into glossy records. Sometimes boxing has the ability to massage and stack numbers like a casino dealer.