Let's take your many questions individually.


Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
wasn't canelo ranked number one at jr middleweight & a unified champ when he fought floyd?
You're a knowledgeable boxing fan. So it's safe to presume that you know that rankings don't always reflect merit or the deserving of a shot. Especially where joke orgs like the WBC (We Blow Canelo) are involved.


Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
so guys like callum smith just laid down for canelo? why weren't they lying down for each other before canelo got there?
I'll answer your question with another question. Are you suggesting that Callum fought Canelo like he's fought other opponents before or since then?


Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
firstly as i understand it, that was only a proposal not an actual contract or offer & we only have badou's word to go by. did badou counter with his own proposal or offer?
So the fact that it wasn't an actual contract makes it less shameful? The fact that it was only a proposal gets Ginger off the hook? Word of advice: If you ever consider lawyering, don't.

BTW, Badou's word is good enough for me. It was widely reported by credible news sources. Or are we to only believe those that are convenient for our arguments? Can't pick and choose.

Did Badou counter with his own proposal or offer? Yeah. Hopefully he told Canelo to shove it up his ass. Sounds like a good counter to me.


Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
let's say badou weighed 200 for his fight prior to that proposal & we'll say canelo was 168 for convenience, that's roughly a 32 pound difference. so canelo was asking badou to drop twenty pounds & he would come up twelve pounds. again it was just a proposal, badou was not being forced into it & if we say it is all true then he was able to turn it down or counter. i don't know if there was a counter but we know badou turned down that proposal.
These get worse as they go along.

I can almost hear the fumbling around, grasping for straws. First you mumble something about weight differences, as if to minimize the embarrassment Ginger subjected himself to by making this ridiculous offer to Badou. Then you go with "well, Badou was not being forced into it." Damn... that's weak.

Like I said, keep you day job. Don't go into lawyering.


Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
i guess you have to ask yourself do you respect miguel cotto or manny pacquiao for requesting catchweights from guys who were well less than 32 pounds above them in their previous fights? miguel had a 153 catchweight for the antonio margarito rematch although he weighed 154 in his previous fight & there was a jr middleweight belt on the line, he also had a 157 catchweight for daniel geale who only weighed five pounds more than miguel in their previous fights & there was a middleweight belt on the line. we can do manny but i think you get my point. besides canelo v badou never happened, miguel & manny's catchweight fights did
Your desperation comes full circle, as you bring up Cotto and Pacquiao. Once again, I'll preface by saying you're a knowledgeable boxing fan. So presumably you know the difference between catchweights of a few pounds, (which many boxers have done), versus a guy who habitually leaps up a division or two to pick off a weak or depleted "champion", with the only purpose of adding a meaningless trinket to his mantle.

Cotto never did that. Pacquiao never did that. I don't know of ANY fighter that has shamelessly sought out opponents way beyond their division, to try and grab a meaningless trinket. (And then go scurrying back to the safety of his own weight).

You can grasp at straws. You can look for obscure exceptions. You can twist words. You can reach for examples that aren't really relevant.

NOTHING... and I mean NOTHING... will change the fact that Ginger will always be looked at... not just by me... but by MANY boxing fans and experts... as a manufactured champion who always stacked the deck in his favor, had a major boxing org by the balls, got the nod on more than one questionable decision, reached for easy prey (avoiding real challenges), and just plain f*cked up boxing for a great many of us.

You don't see ANY other champion in any other division getting the hate that Canelo does. There must be a reason for that.