Who is next for Canelo?

[TIC]

what guys were more deserving that canelo for floyd to fight at jr middleweight?

canelo made callum look basic because he was so much better. i can't blame canelo for that. if guys like callum were just lying down like you stated then why weren't they fighting each other before canelo moved back up?

it was just a proposal. no contract was sent. jack could have countered

badou wasn't being forced to do anything, he could have countered. you don't think 32 pounds is a big weight difference for guys outside of heavyweight? maybe badou could have countered with both guys giving up 16 pounds, badou dropping 16 & canelo moving up 16

canelo proposed the catchweight because there was a 32 pound weight difference between badou & his previous fights. manny & miguel were getting catchweights from guys who were only a few pounds above them in their previous fights. manny picked up a meaningless vacant trinket against antonio margarito with a catchweight. if badou had of countered with a 16 pound drop maybe canelo would have considered it

the rest of your post is just subjective

[TIC]

@TitoFan would you think it's reasonable for nonito donaire (i'm not comparing him to canelo or ages or points of their careers at the time just the weights here) after he lost to carl frampton at featherweight & went back to bantamweight after that to fight a guy at 150? do you think it would be reasonable for him to propose a catchweight of 130? & if the guy at 150 countered & said look i can't drop 20 pounds but what if we meet half way & i come down 16 pounds & you come up 16 pounds & we fight at 134 & do you think it would be reasonable for nonito to also propose a rehydration clause on the heavier guy?

[TitoFan]

@TitoFan would you think it's reasonable for nonito donaire (i'm not comparing him to canelo or ages or points of their careers at the time just the weights here) after he lost to carl frampton at featherweight & went back to bantamweight after that to fight a guy at 150? do you think it would be reasonable for him to propose a catchweight of 130? & if the guy at 150 countered & said look i can't drop 20 pounds but what if we meet half way & i come down 16 pounds & you come up 16 pounds & we fight at 134 & do you think it would be reasonable for nonito to also propose a rehydration clause on the heavier guy?

First, I'm glad you specified that you're not comparing Nonito to Canelo.

Second, this is strictly hypothetical right? It never happened.

Unless it actually did happen, I just don't see Nonito wanting to challenge a 150-pounder. Many reasons here. At the lower weights, the difference between divisions is smaller. The little guys (the elite ones) are very disciplined as to their weight, and don't normally entertain fantasies about jumping two divisions to grab a trinket. They'll move up a division and test the waters. If their skills translate into the higher division, they'll stay there. And so on and so forth.

So this hypothetical situation is very unlikely, and just wouldn't happen with the elite guys at the lower weights. If something like that occurred it would be a sham.

Odd you would pick Nonito for this example. He's one of my favorite fighters, and the antithesis of a Canelo. All business... got his 1st loss out of the way early... never shied away from a challenge... and didn't go for this diva B.S. Then again, you can say that for most elite fighters at the lower divisions.

[TIC]

@TitoFan would you think it's reasonable for nonito donaire (i'm not comparing him to canelo or ages or points of their careers at the time just the weights here) after he lost to carl frampton at featherweight & went back to bantamweight after that to fight a guy at 150? do you think it would be reasonable for him to propose a catchweight of 130? & if the guy at 150 countered & said look i can't drop 20 pounds but what if we meet half way & i come down 16 pounds & you come up 16 pounds & we fight at 134 & do you think it would be reasonable for nonito to also propose a rehydration clause on the heavier guy?

First, I'm glad you specified that you're not comparing Nonito to Canelo.

Second, this is strictly hypothetical right? It never happened.

Unless it actually did happen, I just don't see Nonito wanting to challenge a 150-pounder. Many reasons here. At the lower weights, the difference between divisions is smaller. The little guys (the elite ones) are very disciplined as to their weight, and don't normally entertain fantasies about jumping two divisions to grab a trinket. They'll move up a division and test the waters. If their skills translate into the higher division, they'll stay there. And so on and so forth.

So this hypothetical situation is very unlikely, and just wouldn't happen with the elite guys at the lower weights. If something like that occurred it would be a sham.

Odd you would pick Nonito for this example. He's one of my favorite fighters, and the antithesis of a Canelo. All business... got his 1st loss out of the way early... never shied away from a challenge... and didn't go for this diva B.S. Then again, you can say that for most elite fighters at the lower divisions.

as i said i'm just comparing the weights. i only used nonito because he was a fighter who went up & then came back down in weight similar to canelo in recent times. forget the fighters altogether. outside of heavyweight if fighter a was the star & wanted to fight a guy 32 pounds heavier than him from their previous fights & probably offer him a career high payday, do you think requesting he come up 12 pounds & fighter b come down 20 pounds is a reasonable starting point to propose for a catchweight? or do you think there shouldn't be a catchweight at all?

[TitoFan]

This is all a matter of preference. For my taste, I dislike fighters seeking matches with that much of a weight difference. We have weight divisions for a reason. A fighter going up several weight divisions is fine. Just do it naturally, and preferably one division at a time. You go up a division? Establish dominance at that division before seeking to continue going up. If you don't do this, you're whoring yourself out seeking meaningless trinkets, and ignoring deserving fighters around you. When fans lend credence to this shit, they're doing a disservice to the sport, IMO. If a fighter can climb one, two, three divisions throughout the course of his career, all the more power to him. But the hopscotch targeting of weak division champions, or asking much heavier champions to drain themselves... is contrary to the traditional and competitive nature of the sport. Again, my opinion.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

This is all a matter of preference. For my taste, I dislike fighters seeking matches with that much of a weight difference. We have weight divisions for a reason. A fighter going up several weight divisions is fine. Just do it naturally, and preferably one division at a time. You go up a division? Establish dominance at that division before seeking to continue going up. If you don't do this, you're whoring yourself out seeking meaningless trinkets, and ignoring deserving fighters around you. When fans lend credence to this shit, they're doing a disservice to the sport, IMO. If a fighter can climb one, two, three divisions throughout the course of his career, all the more power to him. But the hopscotch targeting of weak division champions, or asking much heavier champions to drain themselves... is contrary to the traditional and competitive nature of the sport. Again, my opinion.

"Whoring yourself out as Hopscotch Targeting"

by TitoFan

What a little whore
Hopscotch bitch
Simon says
Alvarez

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Tainted steak
Floyd and Biv whipped his ass
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[TIC]

let me rephrase the question. do you think it's reasonable for a fighter to propose that another fighter come down 20 pounds for a fight?

it's not like badou is the first fighter who would have had to drop 20 pounds from his previous fight weight. archie moore did more than that a couple of times in his career. roy jones jr dropped 18 pounds to come back down to fight antonio tarver. james toney dropped 31 pounds to come back down to cruiserweight & 25 pounds to fight earl butler, ossie ocasio dropped about 27 pounds, orlin norris did it a couple of times, glenn mccrory & others

[TitoFan]

let me rephrase the question. do you think it's reasonable for a fighter to propose that another fighter come down 20 pounds for a fight?

it's not like badou is the first fighter who would have had to drop 20 pounds from his previous fight weight. archie moore did more than that a couple of times in his career. roy jones jr dropped 18 pounds to come back down to fight antonio tarver. james toney dropped 31 pounds to come back down to cruiserweight & 25 pounds to fight earl butler, ossie ocasio dropped about 27 pounds, orlin norris did it a couple of times, glenn mccrory & others

No need to rephrase. I understood the question the first time and thought I answered it quite clearly.

But addressing the examples you cite...

To be clear, I've never been a fan of ANY of those huge weight swings. Speaking of which... how did it go for RJJ against Tarver? The human body is not meant to absorb huge "see-saw" weight gains and drops, and still allow athletic competition at a world-class level. It's freakish, and lends a circus-like atmosphere to the sport. Toney was at his best at the lower weights, but became an artificially blown-up fat ass heavyweight. I was never a fan of that, nor of his huge weight drops.

But never mind all that. Here's the biggest difference between all of what you've said, and Canelo asking Badou to drop 20 pounds. Ready?

Canelo is a high-profile, money-making machine in boxing. Overhyped and manufactured, in my opinion, as you are well aware. For him to specifically target much higher weight fighters by ASKING them to drop 20 pounds and then supposedly fight for a (cough) "title" at that higher weight... well... it's disgraceful, cheap, and fits his career M.O. perfectly. Remember... you asked.

The fighters you mentioned dropped all that weight on their own volition. Because they WANTED to. Not because they were asked by some diva punk, who thinks it's ok to pick up a cruiserweight title from a 200-pounder who has had to drain himself to 180. Badou's dismissal of Canelo was perfect.

Finally... Toney, RJJ... all started at much lower weights. So at least in Toney's case, all he did was drop a lot of FAT. It's like dropping off the extra luggage you had picked up when you found out the taxi cab you were expecting was actually a scooter.
Badou, by contrast, is a workmanlike fighter, who just goes about his business and eschews all those circus-like weight shenanigans.
I hope he literally told Ginger to go f*ck himself.

I honestly hope I've answered your questions on this. The harder you try and justify Ginger on some of his antics... the worse he looks.