Andre Ward DESERVED a Canelo fight!

[ykdadamaja]

The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.

Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.

But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum.

Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.

Any figures to back that up?

You can simply just add up GGG's previous three fight purses before he fought Canelo for the first time.
GGG vs Dominic Wade = $2 million
GGG vs Kell Brook = $8 million
GGG vs Daniel Jacobs = $2.5 million

GGG v Canelo 1= $22 million
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...z6aq2xnskxl4rv

[Master]

Thank you YK, you have proved my point. Kell Brook is an anomaly.

[Ron Swanson]

I would have been happy with Andre getting the GGG fight but GGG hid and lied

[TitoFan]

The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.

Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.

But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum.

Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.

Any figures to back that up?

You can simply just add up GGG's previous three fight purses before he fought Canelo for the first time.
GGG vs Dominic Wade = $2 million
GGG vs Kell Brook = $8 million
GGG vs Daniel Jacobs = $2.5 million

GGG v Canelo 1= $22 million
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...z6aq2xnskxl4rv

Thanks for posting the link. However, I've seen different figures in other articles. Here's one:

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-...kin-net-worth/


Here it says GGG made $8 million for his first Canelo fight, and $12 million for the second one.

Again... I'm not a fan of analyzing fighters' purses. As far as I'm concerned... after the first couple million... it's all enough wealth to live happily ever after.

So again I'll reiterate that GGG could've made a very good living even had he not groveled after Ginger like he did. Would've been better for his legacy, too.

GGG didn't need Ginger. He had already constructed a very good career as one of the best MW's of his generation.

But he got suckered into a series of unwinnable fights with Vegas' favorite son... and paid the price, particularly in the robbery of the first fight.

[Master]

Those figures Titofan are in stark contrast to YK but you can understand why GGG would make far more money in Canelo fights than multiple other opponents.

Money is priority then comes legacy but health trumps them all in a boxing career.

[Primo Carnera]

The fact that we talk about “poor Andre deserves the payday against Canelo” shows what poor decisions Ward made with his career.
From a Boxing sense, Canelo is not in Ward’s league. But Ward can only blame himself for not earning as much as he should have done.
So, no he never really deserved the payday , he fucked up.

Yet you are quick to blame Golovkin for allowing Canelo to dictate what he did with his career where he ended up with a lot more money than if he did not.

But did he though ?? All the waiting around for Canelo, waiting for him to make up his mind, waiting for him to complete a drugs ban.
Don’t forget he was the B side, so his money wouldn’t have been what Canelo was getting.
If he had told Canelo to go fuck himself and carried on bowling over guys at the rate he was, he would’ve had more fights and his purses would’ve increased each fight as his stock rose.
Meanwhile Canelo’s kudos would’ve decreased because he would’ve run out of bums and would be blamed for ducking GGG.
Upstairs for thinking, downstairs for dancing , my pedigree chum.

Reality is GGG made more money facing Canelo than if he made 5 defences against other opponents. I do not like it either but that is the economic facts.

Any figures to back that up?

You can simply just add up GGG's previous three fight purses before he fought Canelo for the first time.
GGG vs Dominic Wade = $2 million
GGG vs Kell Brook = $8 million
GGG vs Daniel Jacobs = $2.5 million

GGG v Canelo 1= $22 million
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...z6aq2xnskxl4rv

Thanks for posting the link. However, I've seen different figures in other articles. Here's one:

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-...kin-net-worth/


Here it says GGG made $8 million for his first Canelo fight, and $12 million for the second one.

Again... I'm not a fan of analyzing fighters' purses. As far as I'm concerned... after the first couple million... it's all enough wealth to live happily ever after.

So again I'll reiterate that GGG could've made a very good living even had he not groveled after Ginger like he did. Would've been better for his legacy, too.

GGG didn't need Ginger. He had already constructed a very good career as one of the best MW's of his generation.

But he got suckered into a series of unwinnable fights with Vegas' favorite son... and paid the price, particularly in the robbery of the first fight.

There is no way on this earth that GGG got $22m for the first fight probably not any of the Canelo fights .

[Primo Carnera]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

[Spicoli]

Random sighting but I don't think there was a soul alive who wanted or expected Cotto to actually fight Golovkin. We all knew where Cotto was heading with that belt and it was straight to Canelo who was fighting his 4th catchweight in 5 fights. Golovkin would have muttered Cotto. On Ward I'm just not sure where Canelo was supposed to fight him weight wise. Ward bounced 168 to 175 when Canelo was still being called "green" vs Mayweather and not even cracking 160.

[TIC]

i was alive & wanted the champion to fight his number one threat. miguel & sergio aren't the only ones that ducked ggg

[Spicoli]

i was alive & wanted the champion to fight his number one threat. miguel & sergio aren't the only ones that ducked ggg

Well it was just never in the cards as Cotto v Canelo was being HBO targeted even prior to Canelo dusting off Kirkland and Cotto making his initial defense. And it gets lost, but Golovkin willfully accepted step aside money in order for that lead up and mega fight to take place.

It is interesting to ponder though. Let's say Golovkin is in there rather than Geale and he demolishes Cotto thus becoming champ. It could have completely changed history. Does Canelo sac up and go for the vaunted middleweight title vs Golovkin at that point because it's no longer Cotto? Or does he do the same slooow role he did, needing 4 catchweight fights over two years. If Cotto was expected to face him after just 1 middleweight/CW fight, shirley Canelo could. It would have been very interesting.

[TIC]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andre

[Primo Carnera]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andre

Well that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.

[Master]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andre

Well that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.

Even if Canelo was allowed special cow meat, altered gloves and weight stipulations that are in his favour he would never knock out Ward.

[TIC]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andre

Well that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.

andre sure looked unsteady after darnell dropped him & he wouldn't be getting up if canelo landed a right like sergei did