Andre Ward DESERVED a Canelo fight!

[Primo Carnera]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andre

Well that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.

[Master]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andre

Well that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.

Even if Canelo was allowed special cow meat, altered gloves and weight stipulations that are in his favour he would never knock out Ward.

[Denilson3.0]

In Football / Soccer there is an old adage “the first five yards in your head” meaning that they could could read things a little bit faster, had a better understanding of what was happening before it happened, that's a description I think fits Ward quite well, he just saw and understood the pattern of the fight before his opponent did and capitalized on every advantage he saw.

He is an inaugural super 6 winner and one of the last truly top fighters from the old US boxing program days when Kenny Adams was involved and he was the last USA gold medalist at an Olympics (But I actually think he lost that fight)..

But he was boring and dirty. I mean, he almost sterilized Kovalev with that combo to the balls.



His entire gameplan revolved around clinching and dirty tactics, which was called his fantastic 'inside game', which was potshot single jab, rush in with his head, clinch, mix in some elbows, headbutts and lowblows and rinse and repeat.

I'm not denying he was a good boxer, but he only fought with hometown refs and judges for a VERY good reason. In a sense Ward was a hustler, his whole style was based around nullifying his opponent however he could, and that rarely led to exciting fights. Shame him and Calzaghe didn't fight as I think Calzaghe would have beaten him due to his output.

There is a strong argument that Ward wouldn't even get in the top 10 of SMW of the last 30 years. I'd be far from confident that Ward could beat RJJ, Toney, Calzaghe, Hopkins, McCallum, Benn, Eubank, McClellan, Canelo, GGG.

There's a case to say that Ward would get beat by them all.

But there is also a case to say that Ward could beat most of them. You just never truly know with undefeated fighters

BUT

• Being undefeated is not that important
• Being undefeated, when you fought nobody... is worthless
• Being undefeated, when you fought everybody... is rare, and exceptiona

There is a reason he retired all early (I mean what top boxer retires at 33 nowadays ?) at LHW he didn't want to get exposed by all the killers (Beterbiev) that were coming up in the division.

[TIC]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andre

Well that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.

andre sure looked unsteady after darnell dropped him & he wouldn't be getting up if canelo landed a right like sergei did

[Primo Carnera]

@TIC , I don’t want to take the piss because everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yours usually are pretty on the mark. But what makes you think Canelo KO’s Ward ?

andre would be the b side, he wouldn't be allowed his dirty tactics against canelo & would be forced to fight. canelo would hurt him to the body before knocking him out late. the corner might have had to save andre

Well that’s one view. But Ward never lost a fight from 11 years of age till the end of his career, and never looked like getting KO’d.
And he wasn’t the A side in all those fights. You earn the right.

andre sure looked unsteady after darnell dropped him & he wouldn't be getting up if canelo landed a right like sergei did

Canelo was half their size. In this era, he’s great. In other eras, he’s a blown up LMW / MW, who only fights at SMW Because the juice stops him getting any lighter.

[TIC]

"Canelo was half their size"

what?

are we talking canelo at his best v andre at his best? or eleven year olds or whatever era's you're on about? best v best canelo puts andre to bed early

[Primo Carnera]

"Canelo was half their size"

what?

are we talking canelo at his best v andre at his best? or eleven year olds or whatever era's you're on about? best v best canelo puts andre to bed early

Yep, you heard right. Canelo is 5 foot 8” tops. He started off as a Light Middleweight or maybe even Welterweight.
Ward is at least 6 foot, maybe taller and was a Light Heavyweight and came down to Super Middleweight.
Canelo at his best v Ward at pretty much any time of his career from becoming a World Champ onwards.
Canelo is decent, and in this era very good. But he is nowhere near Ward’s level at SMW or LHW.

[Primo Carnera]

And btw, Ward totally fucked up his career. 32 fights. He should’ve had at least 10 more .

[TIC]

"Canelo was half their size"

what?

are we talking canelo at his best v andre at his best? or eleven year olds or whatever era's you're on about? best v best canelo puts andre to bed early

Canelo at his best v Ward at pretty much any time of his career from becoming a World Champ onwards.

yeah canelo from the second ggg fight sleeps andre at any point of his career

[Primo Carnera]

"Canelo was half their size"

what?

are we talking canelo at his best v andre at his best? or eleven year olds or whatever era's you're on about? best v best canelo puts andre to bed early

Canelo at his best v Ward at pretty much any time of his career from becoming a World Champ onwards.

yeah canelo from the second ggg fight sleeps andre at any point of his career

Yep, talk’s cheap. He can’t “sleep” GGG, he just about gets past him . Yet on that performance , he KO’s Ward!
And for the record I’m one of those that says Canelo won that fight.