RIP Marvelous Marvin Hagler

[TIC]

does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?

Ginger groupie.....

For one thing, you should wash your mouth out with soap for even daring to speak of the great Hagler in such disrespectful terms.

canelo must live rent free in you & primo carnera's head. this discussion is about marvin, the fab four & some guys i would have like to see him fight that might have better challenges. disrespectful? i'm just asking about marvin fighting some smaller guys who he is mainly associated with. chill out titofan, if you have nothing to add to the discussion that's fine but you are the one derailing the discussion with your own comparisons & trying to make out i'm making that argument, that is called a strawman

you are the only one mentioning canelo here. i know marvin did most of his work coming up but he is frequently mentioned as part of the four kings, the other three all started at lower weights than marvin. his biggest threat around eighty five to eighty seven in my opinion was the bodysnatcher who also began at a lower weight than marvin but marvin bent the knee & took the money to fight an inactive guy instead

If you go back to the first line I wrote on this subject , you’ll know why I mentioned Canelo.
But you chose to ignore that.

this was your first line

"If this is a way of justifying Canelo v Crawford you are way off."

you're making assumptions. i'm posting about marvin, nothing about canelo. you also assume i ignored it. i didn't, it just had nothing to do with what i am posting about. bud jumping three weights is completely different from what i'm posting about marvin

Here we go! So you make a comment about Hagler for no reason at all, and revive a thread that hasn’t seen the light of day for the best part of 4 years hey? I think I have very good reason to “Assume” that it was an indirect comparison to the Canelo / Crawford situation.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t, but you never answer with a straight “Yes” or “No”, so we have to make our own minds up.
You should be a bit braver and have the courage of your convictions rather than let everyone accuse you.
But hey, if you want to “say things without saying them” crack on.

i have my reasons for commenting about marvin, did you ask my reason? no you just assumed it had something to do with canelo. one of my reasons if you're interested is mike mccallum & was going to go into the rest of the fab four & them not fighting him, another reason was marvin bending the knee for the ray fight

yes i used an old thread, there's nothing wrong with that is there? the only other thread i could find on marvin was called marvin haggler so i went with this one. i must have missed where it says you must start a new thread for a new discussion

you know what they say about assumptions

what question did you ask that i didn't answer? you came in with an assumption not related to what i'm discussing. you made up your mind based on your own assumption

i asked "does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?"

"be a bit braver and have the courage of your convictions"

here we go then, i think marvin avoided tougher challenges to cash out against smaller guys towards the end of his career, there's nothing wrong with that but that's how i see it. i also think the rest of the fab four avoided the bodysnatcher. i also don't agree with the notion that marvin retired because he was disgusted by the decision against ray, i think he retired because he was embarrassed that he lost to a smaller guy who was coming of nearly three years of inactivity

now let's see if you can be brave & have the courage to admit your assumptions were wrong

for the record, since the canelo v bud fight has been mentioned, i don't like the fight & won't give canelo any credit for a win. i'd prefer to see him fight christian mbilli & then try for a shot at the artur v dmitry two winner & i'd like bud to make a run at jr middle, there are some fantastic match ups there

[Primo Carnera]

does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?

Ginger groupie.....

For one thing, you should wash your mouth out with soap for even daring to speak of the great Hagler in such disrespectful terms.

canelo must live rent free in you & primo carnera's head. this discussion is about marvin, the fab four & some guys i would have like to see him fight that might have better challenges. disrespectful? i'm just asking about marvin fighting some smaller guys who he is mainly associated with. chill out titofan, if you have nothing to add to the discussion that's fine but you are the one derailing the discussion with your own comparisons & trying to make out i'm making that argument, that is called a strawman

you are the only one mentioning canelo here. i know marvin did most of his work coming up but he is frequently mentioned as part of the four kings, the other three all started at lower weights than marvin. his biggest threat around eighty five to eighty seven in my opinion was the bodysnatcher who also began at a lower weight than marvin but marvin bent the knee & took the money to fight an inactive guy instead

If you go back to the first line I wrote on this subject , you’ll know why I mentioned Canelo.
But you chose to ignore that.

this was your first line

"If this is a way of justifying Canelo v Crawford you are way off."

you're making assumptions. i'm posting about marvin, nothing about canelo. you also assume i ignored it. i didn't, it just had nothing to do with what i am posting about. bud jumping three weights is completely different from what i'm posting about marvin

Here we go! So you make a comment about Hagler for no reason at all, and revive a thread that hasn’t seen the light of day for the best part of 4 years hey? I think I have very good reason to “Assume” that it was an indirect comparison to the Canelo / Crawford situation.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t, but you never answer with a straight “Yes” or “No”, so we have to make our own minds up.
You should be a bit braver and have the courage of your convictions rather than let everyone accuse you.
But hey, if you want to “say things without saying them” crack on.

i have my reasons for commenting about marvin, did you ask my reason? no you just assumed it had something to do with canelo. one of my reasons if you're interested is mike mccallum & was going to go into the rest of the fab four & them not fighting him, another reason was marvin bending the knee for the ray fight

yes i used an old thread, there's nothing wrong with that is there? the only other thread i could find on marvin was called marvin haggler so i went with this one. i must have missed where it says you must start a new thread for a new discussion

you know what they say about assumptions

what question did you ask that i didn't answer? you came in with an assumption not related to what i'm discussing. you made up your mind based on your own assumption

i asked "does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?"

"be a bit braver and have the courage of your convictions"

here we go then, i think marvin avoided tougher challenges to cash out against smaller guys towards the end of his career, there's nothing wrong with that but that's how i see it. i also think the rest of the fab four avoided the bodysnatcher. i also don't agree with the notion that marvin retired because he was disgusted by the decision against ray, i think he retired because he was embarrassed that he lost to a smaller guy who was coming of nearly three years of inactivity

now let's see if you can be brave & have the courage to admit your assumptions were wrong

for the record, since the canelo v bud fight has been mentioned, i don't like the fight & won't give canelo any credit for a win. i'd prefer to see him fight christian mbilli & then try for a shot at the artur v dmitry two winner & i'd like bud to make a run at jr middle, there are some fantastic match ups there

If you’re gonna throw indirect statements out there and refuse to opine , we’re (yes we, cos i’m clearly not the only one) gonna assume, that’s not unreasonable. Im not psychic and I shouldn’t have to weed out what exactly you mean or your point is .
You can dredge up an old Thread , no problem, but 4 years later…………most people only do that when there has been something in the news relevant to that.
You keep believing yourself , whatever floats your boat. 👍

[Primo Carnera]

My final post on this thread . To everyone, have a look who started this thread way back AND their comment.
Make your own “ASSUMPTIONS”.

[TIC]

does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?

Ginger groupie.....

For one thing, you should wash your mouth out with soap for even daring to speak of the great Hagler in such disrespectful terms.

canelo must live rent free in you & primo carnera's head. this discussion is about marvin, the fab four & some guys i would have like to see him fight that might have better challenges. disrespectful? i'm just asking about marvin fighting some smaller guys who he is mainly associated with. chill out titofan, if you have nothing to add to the discussion that's fine but you are the one derailing the discussion with your own comparisons & trying to make out i'm making that argument, that is called a strawman

you are the only one mentioning canelo here. i know marvin did most of his work coming up but he is frequently mentioned as part of the four kings, the other three all started at lower weights than marvin. his biggest threat around eighty five to eighty seven in my opinion was the bodysnatcher who also began at a lower weight than marvin but marvin bent the knee & took the money to fight an inactive guy instead

If you go back to the first line I wrote on this subject , you’ll know why I mentioned Canelo.
But you chose to ignore that.

this was your first line

"If this is a way of justifying Canelo v Crawford you are way off."

you're making assumptions. i'm posting about marvin, nothing about canelo. you also assume i ignored it. i didn't, it just had nothing to do with what i am posting about. bud jumping three weights is completely different from what i'm posting about marvin

Here we go! So you make a comment about Hagler for no reason at all, and revive a thread that hasn’t seen the light of day for the best part of 4 years hey? I think I have very good reason to “Assume” that it was an indirect comparison to the Canelo / Crawford situation.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t, but you never answer with a straight “Yes” or “No”, so we have to make our own minds up.
You should be a bit braver and have the courage of your convictions rather than let everyone accuse you.
But hey, if you want to “say things without saying them” crack on.

i have my reasons for commenting about marvin, did you ask my reason? no you just assumed it had something to do with canelo. one of my reasons if you're interested is mike mccallum & was going to go into the rest of the fab four & them not fighting him, another reason was marvin bending the knee for the ray fight

yes i used an old thread, there's nothing wrong with that is there? the only other thread i could find on marvin was called marvin haggler so i went with this one. i must have missed where it says you must start a new thread for a new discussion

you know what they say about assumptions

what question did you ask that i didn't answer? you came in with an assumption not related to what i'm discussing. you made up your mind based on your own assumption

i asked "does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?"

"be a bit braver and have the courage of your convictions"

here we go then, i think marvin avoided tougher challenges to cash out against smaller guys towards the end of his career, there's nothing wrong with that but that's how i see it. i also think the rest of the fab four avoided the bodysnatcher. i also don't agree with the notion that marvin retired because he was disgusted by the decision against ray, i think he retired because he was embarrassed that he lost to a smaller guy who was coming of nearly three years of inactivity

now let's see if you can be brave & have the courage to admit your assumptions were wrong

for the record, since the canelo v bud fight has been mentioned, i don't like the fight & won't give canelo any credit for a win. i'd prefer to see him fight christian mbilli & then try for a shot at the artur v dmitry two winner & i'd like bud to make a run at jr middle, there are some fantastic match ups there

If you’re gonna throw indirect statements out there and refuse to opine , we’re (yes we, cos i’m clearly not the only one) gonna assume, that’s not unreasonable. Im not psychic and I shouldn’t have to weed out what exactly you mean or your point is .
You can dredge up an old Thread , no problem, but 4 years later…………most people only do that when there has been something in the news relevant to that.
You keep believing yourself , whatever floats your boat. 👍

i didn't make any indirect statements, i asked a question & i never refused to give my opinion on my question

it is not unreasonable to assume, i agree. no one has inferred that you are psychic but if you fail to comprehend a straight forward question then that is on you

so i can dredge up an old thread but it needs to be in a timeframe that suits you or have some relevant news? just because most people do something doesn't mean i have to

what floats my boat is noting that you weren't brave enough or had enough courage to admit your assumption was wrong

My final post on this thread . To everyone, have a look who started this thread way back AND their comment.
Make your own “ASSUMPTIONS”.

yes i started the thread & i still think marvin is a legend, one of the best middleweights ever, that doesn't mean i have to agree with every decision & statement that was made in someone's career

[TitoFan]

Sorry, I haven't followed all the responses closely so this may have already been said:

Might there not be a chance that you dredged up the thread in a thinly veiled effort to defend all the criticism Canelo is getting toward the end of career? Seeking to draw a comparison between the two? (heresy)

[TIC]

Sorry, I haven't followed all the responses closely so this may have already been said:

Might there not be a chance that you dredged up the thread in a thinly veiled effort to defend all the criticism Canelo is getting toward the end of career? Seeking to draw a comparison between the two? (heresy)

does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?

[TitoFan]

Sorry, I haven't followed all the responses closely so this may have already been said:

Might there not be a chance that you dredged up the thread in a thinly veiled effort to defend all the criticism Canelo is getting toward the end of career? Seeking to draw a comparison between the two? (heresy)

does marvin get a pass for fighting smaller guys & cashing out towards the end of his career?

which smaller guys are you referring to