Canelo vs Crawford getting closer..... (wink, wink)

[TitoFan]

Yeah hey... I can appreciate the love fest, but as usual I'll be the outlier here. I do have a problem with Scull. Ok, he's a title holder. Other than that, anyone take a look at his resume? Oh I forgot... that's taboo. We can call out shit on some occasions, just not others. How convenient to have a layup like Scull holding the other 168-pound belt.

Then comes a bloated Crawford, the ultimate challenge for Canelo.

Of course the Bivols and Beterbievs of the world will be given lip service. It would look bad if they weren't at least mentioned. But by that time Canelo's age will come up as an excuse, and the 4-fight farewell tour will be magically truncated to 2 fights.

Everyone else can ride the circus train if they want. I'll enjoy the view from the cheap seats.

Love Fest! I was just being a polite debater.😂 Scull is a champion , so the idea of becoming undisputed again is viable whether it be Canelo or anyone else. The Crawford fight is bollocks really. There are weight divisions for a reason.

Canelo lives a charmed life... LMAO.

The Rocky Fieldings of the world keep falling in his lap. Other than that, he goes to light heavy, targeting a bewilderingly meek Kovalev in a fight that left most pundits shaking their heads in disbelief... and Kovalev himself years later alluding to some eyebrow-raising circumstances under which the fight was held. Then he scurries back down (before having to face another light heavy)... and lo and behold there is the (at that point) undefeated Callum, who proceeds to obligingly (and maddeningly) fold like a lawn chair in front of Canelo.

168, of course, is Canelo's wheelhouse... and he's prospered there. No issue. Only that he keeps wanting to fight for bogus cruiserweight titles, but that's another story.

Here's the thing with Scull. Yes, he is a champion No doubt about that. Hence my opinion that Canelo lives a charmed life. Here is a sitting duck with a 168 title who Canelo is sure to blow away with a KO victory. Something Canelo sorely needs to bolster the beating he's taken from his persistent ducking of Benavidez.

At least we agree on the Crawford fight.

[Spicoli]

Hate to be that guy but how was this not the intended path all along and predictable. I've seen so many people talking about "Scull who" and glossing over it's the very same Scull who the Ibf ordered on Canelo last year, but the belt got dropped by Canelo for a Berlanga match. Shit is priceless. Canelo forfeits the belt (or is stripped depending on what you believe), lets Scull literally hold it for a while and now suddenly Scull is worthy because he holds the trinket, Canelo needs a date and "well he's a champion at least" . They are looking at this as a glorified tune up w/ benefits. It's all about the hardware on display. The marketing of yelling "Canelo multi time undisputed" going into his next fight as such. Opponent is secondary and I'm sure Scull is a nice guy.

Bigger issues with Turki I think and the whole gamesmanship with Paul involved as a swerve. Set the bar low once again to point of fan backlash with Jake Paul circus, fake announcements and all this misinformation put out by Turki, the Ring and all involved only to reach some midnight earth shaking deal. They lied on Eddie and said the fight was flat off. Lied on Boots Ennis in the process saying he was facing Bud. Now everyone's like "at least it's not Jake Paul" in May. It's all very rinse and repeat. On a side, when do we announce dates and specific time frames left wide open like this. A four-fight deal and the only one I'm certain of is now Scull. Meanwhile Bud sits on the bench inactive over another year waiting on September. It just feels all very backwards. If anything, wtf isn't Bud fighting Scull to at least bring a belt to the table?! Quite the circus of its own doing.

[Master]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

[TitoFan]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

Ready for slaughter is correct.

Only casuals will try and argue that this is legit.

[Master]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

Ready for slaughter is correct.

Only casuals will try and argue that this is legit.

There are some hardcore fans that I normally respect which argue that this is a legitimate super fight and that we should not be so critical. They just can not see the manufactured nature of this event. So blatant and desperate and it needs to be called out.

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

[Primo Carnera]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

Ready for slaughter is correct.

Only casuals will try and argue that this is legit.

There are some hardcore fans that I normally respect which argue that this is a legitimate super fight and that we should not be so critical. They just can not see the manufactured nature of this event. So blatant and desperate and it needs to be called out.

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

A little bit harsh on Dubois. There have probably been way less worthy champions than Dubois, why pick on him.
Usyk is the man , we know that. But we also know there are usually multiple champions at every weight.
It’s not unusual that a 4th or 5th rated guy in the division becomes a champion .
Dubois beat Joshua, that’s not a bad scalp, and while I’m not saying he’s a World beater, he’s as deserving as anyone else in the division outside Usyk.

[Master]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

Ready for slaughter is correct.

Only casuals will try and argue that this is legit.

There are some hardcore fans that I normally respect which argue that this is a legitimate super fight and that we should not be so critical. They just can not see the manufactured nature of this event. So blatant and desperate and it needs to be called out.

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

A little bit harsh on Dubois. There have probably been way less worthy champions than Dubois, why pick on him.
Usyk is the man , we know that. But we also know there are usually multiple champions at every weight.
It’s not unusual that a 4th or 5th rated guy in the division becomes a champion .
Dubois beat Joshua, that’s not a bad scalp, and while I’m not saying he’s a World beater, he’s as deserving as anyone else in the division outside Usyk.

There is only one champion and that is Usyk, he already beat him, and that belt he has is not the real thing. He is a paper champion like Scull.

[TIC]

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

A little bit harsh on Dubois. There have probably been way less worthy champions than Dubois, why pick on him.
Usyk is the man , we know that. But we also know there are usually multiple champions at every weight.
It’s not unusual that a 4th or 5th rated guy in the division becomes a champion .
Dubois beat Joshua, that’s not a bad scalp, and while I’m not saying he’s a World beater, he’s as deserving as anyone else in the division outside Usyk.

i don't think master was being harsh on daniel, just highlighting a similar situation where there is already a recognized champion in the division

[TitoFan]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

Ready for slaughter is correct.

Only casuals will try and argue that this is legit.

There are some hardcore fans that I normally respect which argue that this is a legitimate super fight and that we should not be so critical. They just can not see the manufactured nature of this event. So blatant and desperate and it needs to be called out.

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

Even some "hardcore fans" (quote marks on purpose) can suffer from a crass lack of objectivity. Calling this sham a "legitimate super fight" is being delusional at best. That's the problem with being a fanatic. You see everything through rose-tinted glasses, and are unable to call out garbage fights when they involve your object of devotion. So yeah... it needs to be called out.

And yes... we agree on Scull. Not sure I would dump on Dubois very much... but Scull is another story. A classic paperweight, holding onto a belt until he loses (probably by KO) to Canelo. Will obviously be dressed up as another legitimate championship fight. But we've already discussed why this isn't even close to being worthy.

[TitoFan]

https://www.tudn.com/boxeo/david-fai...varez-ya-basta



Classic.

This isn't me. This isn't Saddo'er Canelo hater, TitoFan. This is a respected fellow Mexican raking Ginger over the coals for his current and recent choice of opponents.

His own countrymen are just as fed up with the circus as the rest of us real boxing fans.

Priceless...

[TitoFan]

Hate to be that guy but how was this not the intended path all along and predictable. I've seen so many people talking about "Scull who" and glossing over it's the very same Scull who the Ibf ordered on Canelo last year, but the belt got dropped by Canelo for a Berlanga match. Shit is priceless. Canelo forfeits the belt (or is stripped depending on what you believe), lets Scull literally hold it for a while and now suddenly Scull is worthy because he holds the trinket, Canelo needs a date and "well he's a champion at least" . They are looking at this as a glorified tune up w/ benefits. It's all about the hardware on display. The marketing of yelling "Canelo multi time undisputed" going into his next fight as such. Opponent is secondary and I'm sure Scull is a nice guy.

Bigger issues with Turki I think and the whole gamesmanship with Paul involved as a swerve. Set the bar low once again to point of fan backlash with Jake Paul circus, fake announcements and all this misinformation put out by Turki, the Ring and all involved only to reach some midnight earth shaking deal. They lied on Eddie and said the fight was flat off. Lied on Boots Ennis in the process saying he was facing Bud. Now everyone's like "at least it's not Jake Paul" in May. It's all very rinse and repeat. On a side, when do we announce dates and specific time frames left wide open like this. A four-fight deal and the only one I'm certain of is now Scull. Meanwhile Bud sits on the bench inactive over another year waiting on September. It just feels all very backwards. If anything, wtf isn't Bud fighting Scull to at least bring a belt to the table?! Quite the circus of its own doing.

Damn.

Agreed on SO MANY points. Not facing a Scull the first time and now having him as an opponent gives Canelo the chance at that "multi-time undisputed" you mentioned. It's not as sexy defending against the pedestrian Scull, as taking a belt from him in a championship fight. After all... Scull's now a (cough) champion.

The other point is setting the bar low, then swerving out of it. After the brief uproar over a possible JP fight... the calculated response is relief that it's now a legitimate champion in Scull. By comparison, the unworthiness of Scull is glossed over.
This is worthy of a marketing PhD.