Joe Joyce v Filip Hrgovic

[Primo Carnera]

The last judge got it right 98-92. 150 power punches landed to the head versus about 30.
Just because Joyce’s head is made of iron doesn’t mean he wins the round.
I would hate to see a brain scan of Joyce and I worry about where he’ll be in 10 years time.

i could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of ways

See in my my opinion “more active” s meaningless if your opponent is landing 5 times more punches.

more active for me means landing more punches

Well in that case the stats will show that Joyce wasn’t more active.

punch stats are rubbish. i trust what i'm seeing. joe was out landing filip in certain rounds

Nah he wasn’t . if you count “tippy tappies” versus full on shots on the head, maybe.
Punch stats can be bullshit, for example shots that just touch the target or go past.
But common sense will tell you that the less margin for error is with power shots landed, because they are clean.
Midway through round 6 (roughly halfway through the fight) Hrgovic had landed with 85 power shots JUST TO THE HEAD as opposed to 12 from Joyce.
That is a fucking ridiculous stat.
Let’s not forget that this is a sport and there have to be some acknowledgment to safety and wellbeing.
Joyce wins fights with a freakishly durable chin absorbing a crazy volume of shots, which tires the other fighter and he then bowls them over.
While you can applaud that if you like, for his own safety it shouldn’t be allowed.
Just because those shots aren’t concussing him like they would normal people, it doesn’t mean they are not damaging his head long term.

[TIC]

yeah he was. filip is very lazy & spent parts of rounds doing nothing. filip did land numerous head shots but fights are scored by rounds & joe was out landing filip in several rounds. it is a sport & if joe is passing the medicals then i have no issue. i'm not in the business of telling another man what he is allowed to do with his body

[TIC]

[Primo Carnera]

yeah he was. filip is very lazy & spent parts of rounds doing nothing. filip did land numerous head shots but fights are scored by rounds & joe was out landing filip in several rounds. it is a sport & if joe is passing the medicals then i have no issue. i'm not in the business of telling another man what he is allowed to do with his body

Exactly that! When do you think he had his last medical? Or any Boxers for that matter? They have to jump through hoops to get their licence, after that nobody gives a flying fuck.
As for “I’m not in the business of telling another man what to do with his body” , yep, the sort of people that say that are the sort of people who say “oh yeah that’s really sad , what a warrior!” When a fighter gets dementia and can’t remember his own name.

[TIC]

i think he would have had his last medical prior to this fight to be cleared. this fight was in the uk? so you should have a better idea than me. over here they are pretty strict, especially with a fight that is on the level of being televised. it is sad to see anyone suffer from any illness but that is not a reason for me to tell another man what he can & can't do with his body & life. people put their health/ lives at risk everyday in all sorts of ways but i'm not going to take away someone's freedom of how they want to live their lives because i don't agree with how they're living it. joe wants to box so he consents to the license & medicals that the sport subject him to, it is up to the sport, those involved & joe himself to make sure he meets those standards. we both know many fighters throughout history, even today that shouldn't have been cleared to fight, yes it's sad how some of them end up but if they chose to fight & weren't forced to, then i have no issue. i'd rather someone be free to choose how they live their life

[Denilson3.0]

what else can he do to make the sort of money he does fighting? i'm not sure if he has been smart with his money, hopefully he has. but if he hasn't then fighting is his best bet to set up his family

If you are 1-4 in the last 5 fights, it's time to rethink your position. Joyce said after he fight "I’ve still got my wits about me"

Isn't THAT the time to retire?

So you keep your wits about you?

He's already 39yo and has had a STELLAR amateur career has ALMOST won a world title having captured the WBO Interim belt.

He can retire knowing he STOPPED 2 former world champions in Parker & Dubois and the fact that someone as basic as Joyce has done all that ?

ASTOUNDING.

But that's HW boxing I guess, you don't have to be as skilled as the lower weights

I don't know his financial situation and yes I agree, I doubt he has made enough money to last him the rest pf his life but very few fighters do

[TIC]

"Isn't THAT the time to retire?"

for me the time to retire is when joe wants to or he can no longer get licensed. if he could get a comms job (not sure that's suited for him) or open a gym, that'd be great. these people saying joe needs to retire should stfu, unless they are offering him another means of income that is equal to what he makes in the ring

[Primo Carnera]

"Isn't THAT the time to retire?"

for me the time to retire is when joe wants to or he can no longer get licensed. if he could get a comms job (not sure that's suited for him) or open a gym, that'd be great. these people saying joe needs to retire should stfu, unless they are offering him another means of income that is equal to what he makes in the ring

Said by someone who doesn’t give a fuck about him or any other boxer as long as he gets to watch.
This ain’t the fucking colosseum mate, we’re supposed to have moved on by now.

[TIC]

i've never said i don't give a fuck about joe or any other boxer. i just prefer every adult be free to choose how they live their life. i can care & not agree with their choices, doesn't mean i want to take away their freedoms. as far as i am aware joe is not being forced to fight, he is making the choice to fight. you seem to think you have a higher claim over another man's life & can tell him what he's allowed to do with it. sounds like slavery, we're supposed to have moved on from that by now

[Primo Carnera]

i've never said i don't give a fuck about joe or any other boxer. i just prefer every adult be free to choose how they live their life. i can care & not agree with their choices, doesn't mean i want to take away their freedoms. as far as i am aware joe is not being forced to fight, he is making the choice to fight. you seem to think you have a higher claim over another man's life & can tell him what he's allowed to do with it. sounds like slavery, we're supposed to have moved on from that by now

1. You don’t have to say you don’t give a fuck, your comments make it blatantly obvious.
2. Not slavery at all. It’s not about a higher claim. All I’m saying is there should be more medical checks , brain scans etc. and if there was, he clearly wouldn’t be fit to fight. It’s called compassion mate.
Yes we all want to see good fights, yes we all want to see people show heart and courage.
But we don’t want to see deaths and people in vegetive states. At least I don’t , you’re clearly ok with it, and that’s fine because “ I can’t tell you how to think”

[Master]

It is not nice seeing Joyce getting hit so often and so cleanly. He has slowed down and he was never fast to begin with in the first place. His out put is not as prolific as it was before and he clearly is on the decline.

Joyce still wants to continue boxing and could compete at British level but hopefully he will not want to go down this degree. The money will be low and may force him to retire.

I would hate for Joyce to face the younger, faster and harder punchers out there. That would be a painful watch for me.

[TIC]

i've never said i don't give a fuck about joe or any other boxer. i just prefer every adult be free to choose how they live their life. i can care & not agree with their choices, doesn't mean i want to take away their freedoms. as far as i am aware joe is not being forced to fight, he is making the choice to fight. you seem to think you have a higher claim over another man's life & can tell him what he's allowed to do with it. sounds like slavery, we're supposed to have moved on from that by now

1. You don’t have to say you don’t give a fuck, your comments make it blatantly obvious.
2. Not slavery at all. It’s not about a higher claim. All I’m saying is there should be more medical checks , brain scans etc. and if there was, he clearly wouldn’t be fit to fight. It’s called compassion mate.
Yes we all want to see good fights, yes we all want to see people show heart and courage.
But we don’t want to see deaths and people in vegetive states. At least I don’t , you’re clearly ok with it, and that’s fine because “ I can’t tell you how to think”

1, you're assuming i don't give a fuck. some of those rights joe took were sickening, i don't think he should be fighting but he should be free to make his own choices on how he lives his life
2, telling another adult what they are allowed & not allowed to do with their life is slavery. you're not his dad or his master. if joe wants to consent to a boxing license & whatever medicals they need him to pass to fight, that is his choice. you & i don't have to agree with that choice but he should be free to make it. i agree there should be more medical checks, brain scans etc. i'm not sure he still wouldn't be cleared to fight. greed & money always come into play. take muhammad ali, he shouldn't have been cleared to fight against larry but he was in that ring. it's not right but joe has to take some responsibility as well. he's an adult. if he's not being forced to fight then he is choosing to. i can have compassion for someone, that doesn't mean i want to trample on their freedoms because i disagree with their choices
yes we all want to see good fights, yes we all want to see people show heart and courage
i don't want to see deaths or people in vegetive states but i want people to be free to make their own choices on how they live their life. people put their health/ lives at risk everyday in all types of ways. i may not agree with the choices they are making but i respect their freedoms to make those choices

[Spicoli]

I think one unfortunate but all too real tragedy many of us if not all of us have witnessed is a fighter staying too long ignoring the signs and well...suffering permanent or fatal damage right before our eyes. We're all from different eras, experiences and time following the sport but I feel comfortable saying that each of "us" have seen the clear signs and red flags of fighters in steady decline and where it can-will lead to worst case scenario. Men are punching each other in the brain, with every single outing that is the goal. We just have to be straight about it. The sweet science, sure. Hit and not get hit, sure. The art of self-defense, ok. But this sport is the upside-down land of trying to civilize and regulate what is a violent sport also. Just fact. These are not tough man contests held in a parking lot absent guidelines and regulations and taking into account experiences. If I suggest as a fan that a certain fighter may want to see the exit door it's that I like the rest of so many fans has seen more than a few fighters with red flags have them excused away or even celebrated in some spots. Joe to me is a glaring red flag collecting lasting damage. The decline is obvious. If I'm to take the argument that a man has a right to make a living literal then who am I to say when a fight should be stopped in real time, let alone an entire career. We all know the signs in real time or at the downside of career.

[Spicoli]

yeah he was. filip is very lazy & spent parts of rounds doing nothing. filip did land numerous head shots but fights are scored by rounds & joe was out landing filip in several rounds. it is a sport & if joe is passing the medicals then i have no issue. i'm not in the business of telling another man what he is allowed to do with his body

Exactly that! When do you think he had his last medical? Or any Boxers for that matter? They have to jump through hoops to get their licence, after that nobody gives a flying fuck.
As for “I’m not in the business of telling another man what to do with his body” , yep, the sort of people that say that are the sort of people who say “oh yeah that’s really sad , what a warrior!” When a fighter gets dementia and can’t remember his own name.

It's always been the 800lb elephant in the room, who are doing these medicals and exactly what makes up a local commission. Majority are expected professionals but some not so much. Don't know about globally but here in the States some commissions are basically "borrowed" as not all States have them. At least serious ones. It's like a whispered joke that guys who cannot pass medical in one region/country just travel to another for the green light. Guys who have been reported to have suffered brain bleeds Stateside just travel down South and fight in Mexico. Just happened with El Venado Lopez 2 weeks ago. Doctor shopping has to be a real ugly thing in the sport . Not saying Joyce is anywhere doing that but topic just makes you think about the whole licensing process in general. I was sitting there asking what the normal medical protocols are in the UK, with the BBBC (?). Exactly what are the medical knockout protocols 30, 60 or 90 days ? after the whole Bakole vs Parker scenario.

[The Six Four]

Joyce performed far better than I expected. While he's still absorbing far too much punishment with his face, he looked more durable this time—possibly due to coming in at a better weight or Hrgovic’s lack of sustained pressure. If he can maintain this level, there’s still room for a few more competitive showings before he calls it a day.