Canelo vs Crawford getting closer..... (wink, wink)

[TIC]

canelo's ability to cut off the ring has deteriorated so much i'm starting to think bud might have shot

[Primo Carnera]

canelo's ability to cut off the ring has deteriorated so much i'm starting to think bud might have shot

The nearer the fight gets, the more I’m talking myself into a Bud win. Obviously the underdog, but Canelo has lost twice and both times they were Technically gifted boxers. Bud ticks that box, and also has spite.
The elephant in the room is the weight difference. Yes , it’s a biggie, but the extra weight only works for you if you make the weight work for you. An example , although massively exaggerated is Haye-Valuev.
Standing up against each other, there isn’t much difference size wise and I would guess Crawford even has a reach advantage.
Crawford is notoriously known for being freakishly strong in the gym for his size. My hope is that he has spent this time out of the ring building up his frame and muscle mass sufficiently without losing his advantages (speed, IQ).
Big question marks are.
1. He didn’t look great against Madrimov (who I think is underrated) 2 weights below.
2. He’s no spring chicken and it’s very difficult to make these changes to your body and retain your legs at his age. Make no mistake there are times he will have to dance around the ring, he can’t slug with Canelo for 12 rounds.
3. An unknown , will his chin stand up to Canelo’s power punches? Because sure as shit Canelo will be able to withstand Crawford’s. But nobody is expecting a Bud KO. He just needs enough power to keep Canelo honest, like Floyd and Bivol had.
Let’s not use the Khan fight as any type of yardstick , because it’s chalk and cheese. Khan was already past his best, with a suspect chin and it would’ve been impossible to run for 12 rounds without getting plugged. Even so, he had his moments .
In summary, I accept Canelo is favourite, but I’m going all in and tipping (a bit in hope) a Bud victory. I was one of the very few that felt Canelo had chosen badly when he opted to fight Bivol and got that spot on.
I hope I’m right again.

[TIC]

canelo is the obvious favourite but he's been fighting a long time, since he was around fifteen. canelo has always struggled with guys with good movement & fundamentals. the weight will be a big factor but to me canelo shouldn't really be above middle. you're right about making the weight work for you, canelo's style doesn't make it a huge advantage. only casuals will try to compare amir with bud. amir was getting knocked out at lightweight. it's debatable if bud has been hurt or dropped. some say he was hurt against yuriorkis & dropped against egidijus, both disputable. i think you & i were both calling out how difficult dmitry was going to be. i'm hoping bud brings out the best of canelo & he has one last explosive performance in him, he hasn't stopped anyone since caleb. i just hope it's a good fight

[TitoFan]

only casuals will try to compare amir with bud

Comprehension-challenged

[TIC]

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Let’s not use the Khan fight as any type of yardstick , because it’s chalk and cheese.

only casuals will try to compare amir with bud

my statement that followed primo carnera's chalk and cheese comparison highlights that only casuals will try to compare amir with bud. i could be wrong, maybe there are hardcore's comparing amir to bud

had to break it down & go slow for the comprehension-challenged

[TitoFan]

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Let’s not use the Khan fight as any type of yardstick , because it’s chalk and cheese.

only casuals will try to compare amir with bud

my statement that followed primo carnera's chalk and cheese comparison highlights that only casuals will try to compare amir with bud. i could be wrong, maybe there are hardcore's comparing amir to bud

had to break it down & go slow for the comprehension-challenged

Nobody's comparing Amir to Bud, bro. I doubt any hardcore fans outside the forum would do so, either.

No biggie. Just clearing up a point is all.

[Master]

There is a rumour that the fight may not be Friday 12th September but 13th and venue may be changed.

Also do not know what channel this is on, if net flicks then it will not be PPV.

[TitoFan]

canelo's ability to cut off the ring has deteriorated so much i'm starting to think bud might have shot

The nearer the fight gets, the more I’m talking myself into a Bud win. Obviously the underdog, but Canelo has lost twice and both times they were Technically gifted boxers. Bud ticks that box, and also has spite.
The elephant in the room is the weight difference. Yes , it’s a biggie, but the extra weight only works for you if you make the weight work for you. An example , although massively exaggerated is Haye-Valuev.
Standing up against each other, there isn’t much difference size wise and I would guess Crawford even has a reach advantage.
Crawford is notoriously known for being freakishly strong in the gym for his size. My hope is that he has spent this time out of the ring building up his frame and muscle mass sufficiently without losing his advantages (speed, IQ).
Big question marks are.
1. He didn’t look great against Madrimov (who I think is underrated) 2 weights below.
2. He’s no spring chicken and it’s very difficult to make these changes to your body and retain your legs at his age. Make no mistake there are times he will have to dance around the ring, he can’t slug with Canelo for 12 rounds.
3. An unknown , will his chin stand up to Canelo’s power punches? Because sure as shit Canelo will be able to withstand Crawford’s. But nobody is expecting a Bud KO. He just needs enough power to keep Canelo honest, like Floyd and Bivol had.
Let’s not use the Khan fight as any type of yardstick , because it’s chalk and cheese. Khan was already past his best, with a suspect chin and it would’ve been impossible to run for 12 rounds without getting plugged. Even so, he had his moments .
In summary, I accept Canelo is favourite, but I’m going all in and tipping (a bit in hope) a Bud victory. I was one of the very few that felt Canelo had chosen badly when he opted to fight Bivol and got that spot on.
I hope I’m right again.

On the bolded part... I'm sure you're not alone. Pretty sure Vegas will see it your way also. My reaction? Same ol' story. As the fight nears, fans will look for reasons to "make" this a legitimate fight, as well as a (cough) dangerous fight for Canelo. The reality is, it's not. The size difference and weight division jump just CANNOT be ignored. The wishing part in all of us kicks in, and "wishes" that Bud will "add muscle mass without losing his advantages." So how did his lone foray into super welter work out? Exactly. We can logic the hell out of the performance, but the overwhelming reaction to the fight was that Bud left his power back at 147. Now he's going up to SUPER MIDDLE. Two divisions higher than the one Bud didn't impress in.

The growing sentiment that this is an actual (cough) challenge for the much heavier Canelo will play nicely on the morning after the fight, after Canelo has either earned (due to an overly cautious Bud), or stolen (due to the historical pro-Canelo bias in Vegas) a decision win.

And yes... Bud is also old. (But since when has size or age stopped boxing from hyping the hell out of a Canelo fight?)

Khan was mentioned for a reason, and it wasn't to compare him to Bud. Only comprehension-challenged readers will read that interpretation into what I said. Khan was mentioned to illustrate Canelo's penchant for picking on undersized fighters and claiming some sort of impressive victory.

What nobody seems to understand is that Canelo has only twice miscalculated on his (very careful) cherry-picking choice of opponents. Both times he was embarrassed.

[Yuzo]

Bud is also old.

roberto duran was 37 years and 8 months old when he beat iran barkley.

[TitoFan]

Bud is also old.

roberto duran was 37 years and 8 months old when he beat iran barkley.

Yes. He was old also. Admirable that he beat Barkley. Not many elite fighters can do that.

But... how many quality wins against top opposition did he have after he beat Barkley?

Answer: none

[Spicoli]

Bud is also old.

roberto duran was 37 years and 8 months old when he beat iran barkley.

Crazy thing is Duran had absolutely nothing to lose going in and had to scratch back from the brink of career dismissal by then. Literally and mentally, he was very hungry for one last stand at the very top, title wise. More importantly...he was an active 37. At respected age he and Bud were polar opposites really. Bud is basically acting as a content fighter and was talking guaranteed HOF'er even 2 years ago. I just really do wonder about the appetite of both Bud and Canelo in this.

[TIC]

this doesn't really interest me but i guess it's boxing news. tko (dana) are no longer promoting this fight. there are also rumors that canelo is not happy with turki saying there are other potential sites, when apparently vegas was the original agreement

[Primo Carnera]

this doesn't really interest me but i guess it's boxing news. tko (dana) are no longer promoting this fight. there are also rumors that canelo is not happy with turki saying there are other potential sites, when apparently vegas was the original agreement

Maybe it won’t go ahead. Boxing is in a mess man.

[TIC]

Let’s not use the Khan fight as any type of yardstick , because it’s chalk and cheese.

comprehension-challenged?