Canelo vs Crawford getting closer..... (wink, wink)

[Primo Carnera]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

Ready for slaughter is correct.

Only casuals will try and argue that this is legit.

There are some hardcore fans that I normally respect which argue that this is a legitimate super fight and that we should not be so critical. They just can not see the manufactured nature of this event. So blatant and desperate and it needs to be called out.

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

A little bit harsh on Dubois. There have probably been way less worthy champions than Dubois, why pick on him.
Usyk is the man , we know that. But we also know there are usually multiple champions at every weight.
It’s not unusual that a 4th or 5th rated guy in the division becomes a champion .
Dubois beat Joshua, that’s not a bad scalp, and while I’m not saying he’s a World beater, he’s as deserving as anyone else in the division outside Usyk.

[Master]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

Ready for slaughter is correct.

Only casuals will try and argue that this is legit.

There are some hardcore fans that I normally respect which argue that this is a legitimate super fight and that we should not be so critical. They just can not see the manufactured nature of this event. So blatant and desperate and it needs to be called out.

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

A little bit harsh on Dubois. There have probably been way less worthy champions than Dubois, why pick on him.
Usyk is the man , we know that. But we also know there are usually multiple champions at every weight.
It’s not unusual that a 4th or 5th rated guy in the division becomes a champion .
Dubois beat Joshua, that’s not a bad scalp, and while I’m not saying he’s a World beater, he’s as deserving as anyone else in the division outside Usyk.

There is only one champion and that is Usyk, he already beat him, and that belt he has is not the real thing. He is a paper champion like Scull.

[TIC]

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

A little bit harsh on Dubois. There have probably been way less worthy champions than Dubois, why pick on him.
Usyk is the man , we know that. But we also know there are usually multiple champions at every weight.
It’s not unusual that a 4th or 5th rated guy in the division becomes a champion .
Dubois beat Joshua, that’s not a bad scalp, and while I’m not saying he’s a World beater, he’s as deserving as anyone else in the division outside Usyk.

i don't think master was being harsh on daniel, just highlighting a similar situation where there is already a recognized champion in the division

[Primo Carnera]

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

A little bit harsh on Dubois. There have probably been way less worthy champions than Dubois, why pick on him.
Usyk is the man , we know that. But we also know there are usually multiple champions at every weight.
It’s not unusual that a 4th or 5th rated guy in the division becomes a champion .
Dubois beat Joshua, that’s not a bad scalp, and while I’m not saying he’s a World beater, he’s as deserving as anyone else in the division outside Usyk.

i don't think master was being harsh on daniel, just highlighting a similar situation where there is already a recognized champion in the division

Like I said , there have been worse.

[Primo Carnera]

Btw I don’t know why I’m sticking up for Dubois. I don’t think he’s all that, but with what else is out there and I respect what he did to Joshua.

[TIC]

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

A little bit harsh on Dubois. There have probably been way less worthy champions than Dubois, why pick on him.
Usyk is the man , we know that. But we also know there are usually multiple champions at every weight.
It’s not unusual that a 4th or 5th rated guy in the division becomes a champion .
Dubois beat Joshua, that’s not a bad scalp, and while I’m not saying he’s a World beater, he’s as deserving as anyone else in the division outside Usyk.

i don't think master was being harsh on daniel, just highlighting a similar situation where there is already a recognized champion in the division

Like I said , there have been worse.

i think most would agree, the same could be said of william scull

[TIC]

Btw I don’t know why I’m sticking up for Dubois. I don’t think he’s all that, but with what else is out there and I respect what he did to Joshua.

i respect that william scull fought vladimir Shishkin, it was a close fight. i had it a draw, could have gone either way

[Master]

Point being that they sell these contests as unifications when really they should be title defences for the main man at the weight.

In the case of Usyk he has already beaten Dubois last year which they are conveniently trying to forget to sell that fight should he get through Parker.

[TitoFan]

Crawford is wrapped in cotton wool, training in the gym, putting on some weight and ready for slaughter in September. There is no risk of him facing anyone in the interim.

Ready for slaughter is correct.

Only casuals will try and argue that this is legit.

There are some hardcore fans that I normally respect which argue that this is a legitimate super fight and that we should not be so critical. They just can not see the manufactured nature of this event. So blatant and desperate and it needs to be called out.

Also Scull is much of a world champion as Dubois is at heavyweight. None.

Even some "hardcore fans" (quote marks on purpose) can suffer from a crass lack of objectivity. Calling this sham a "legitimate super fight" is being delusional at best. That's the problem with being a fanatic. You see everything through rose-tinted glasses, and are unable to call out garbage fights when they involve your object of devotion. So yeah... it needs to be called out.

And yes... we agree on Scull. Not sure I would dump on Dubois very much... but Scull is another story. A classic paperweight, holding onto a belt until he loses (probably by KO) to Canelo. Will obviously be dressed up as another legitimate championship fight. But we've already discussed why this isn't even close to being worthy.

[TitoFan]

https://www.tudn.com/boxeo/david-fai...varez-ya-basta



Classic.

This isn't me. This isn't Saddo'er Canelo hater, TitoFan. This is a respected fellow Mexican raking Ginger over the coals for his current and recent choice of opponents.

His own countrymen are just as fed up with the circus as the rest of us real boxing fans.

Priceless...

[TitoFan]

(ahem)

I was going to start a new thread, but no need.

It's finally official.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...clash-crawford

"Canelo Alvarez cruises, locks up Sept. 12 clash with Crawford"



So he dispatches that worthy and "oh-so-dangerous" opponent ... William Scull was it?

And now sets his sights on yet another opponent from several divisions south of him.


LET THE HYPE GAMES BEGIN!!!!!!!! (drum roll, please)


This would be what... the THIRD little guy Canelo will be feasting upon? (Someone help me out here).

Let's see... first there was Khan, that annoying mosquito buzzing around the ring until Canelo connected one meaningful punch and... end of fight.

Then there was Jermell, who promised great things but was still coming from two divisions down. Predictable borefest.



And now here comes Bud trotting in. With yet ANOTHER FUKKING two division jump.

Wait... it's actually THREE divisions. As only deluded fans will say that Bud is actually a super welter... WHERE HE ONLY HAD ONE FIGHT... and looked less than his dominant welter self.



A Hollywood ending to a Hollywood script. (Can't afford having a real opponent ruin the movie rights that are sure to come, am I right?).


Let's recap...

1. Ginger gets humiliated by Bivol when he tries to go up to light heavy.

2. He then drags a 40-year old man to super middle, for a third go-round, even though the first two times the judges robbed the other guy of a deserved victory.

3. Fights John Ryder. Fair enough. Let's not hate for the sake of hating. But this is the guy who had previously lost to that "ATG", Rocky Fielding.

4. Fights little Jermell (see above).

5. Beats Mungia. WAIT!!! Isn't Mungia Mexican?? I'm confused. Didn't Ginger say he doesn't fight Mexicans when he DUCKED David Benavidez??

6. Beats Berlanga. Nice one for the movie. Plays into the Mex-PR rivalry thing. Except Berlanga was always overrated. Gave it a good effort, though.

7. Beats William fukking Scull. No comments necessary, right? Even ardent Canelo fans know this was a piece of shet fight. (Predictably so, I might add).

8. THE GRAND FINALE!!! The great welterweight (but soon to be hyped as a real danger to Canelo).... Bud Crawford.



Grand finale, did I say? You bet. After beating the mega-hyped Crawford, does anyone in their right mind think Canelo is going to risk damaging the end of his career with a real challenge?? Much less a (shudder) LOSS??

No. The script is written. The money's on the table. Hell... the only question is whether they'll find a credible actor to play Canelo's part... or whether Canelo will decide no one is handsome enough and take acting lessons himself.


I'll keep on repeating what I've said for years.

I CAN'T WAIT TILL THIS OVERHYPED BOZO IS GONE FROM BOXING.

[Master]

I just can't see Crawford winning this. It is too high a jump. I would love it if Crawford could pull it off but it will not happen. This had a long run of promotion, hype, and build up that it will end up as an anticlimax.

[Spicoli]

I honestly might do my best to ignore this entire lead up and "event" as just not much positive to say. After Canelos last abysmal outing it's abundantly clear he's fighting with one foot out of the door and this Turki deal may very well will be his career grand finale come May/Sept of 2026, if not sooner. And Crawford coming off yet another year of inactivity two divisions removed unlikely to go back down going on 38 years old may be eyeing the same sort of finale. It's just disappointing on both fronts and trust me when I say...the massive hype and promotion leading up will be like nothing we've ever seen. Can easily see the fight being billed a "let down" simply because it will almost be over shadowed in some ways. I'm talking literally comic book shit on a bad acid trip goes to the astral circus type nauseating hype train. This is the inaugural intro of Dana White promoting and fluffing Turki both backed fully by the TKO group, and if you think the "historical" Times Square complete bust, um card, was too much and completely over the top of reality...well buckle up.

[TIC]

canelo's ability to cut off the ring has deteriorated so much i'm starting to think bud might have shot

[Primo Carnera]

canelo's ability to cut off the ring has deteriorated so much i'm starting to think bud might have shot

The nearer the fight gets, the more I’m talking myself into a Bud win. Obviously the underdog, but Canelo has lost twice and both times they were Technically gifted boxers. Bud ticks that box, and also has spite.
The elephant in the room is the weight difference. Yes , it’s a biggie, but the extra weight only works for you if you make the weight work for you. An example , although massively exaggerated is Haye-Valuev.
Standing up against each other, there isn’t much difference size wise and I would guess Crawford even has a reach advantage.
Crawford is notoriously known for being freakishly strong in the gym for his size. My hope is that he has spent this time out of the ring building up his frame and muscle mass sufficiently without losing his advantages (speed, IQ).
Big question marks are.
1. He didn’t look great against Madrimov (who I think is underrated) 2 weights below.
2. He’s no spring chicken and it’s very difficult to make these changes to your body and retain your legs at his age. Make no mistake there are times he will have to dance around the ring, he can’t slug with Canelo for 12 rounds.
3. An unknown , will his chin stand up to Canelo’s power punches? Because sure as shit Canelo will be able to withstand Crawford’s. But nobody is expecting a Bud KO. He just needs enough power to keep Canelo honest, like Floyd and Bivol had.
Let’s not use the Khan fight as any type of yardstick , because it’s chalk and cheese. Khan was already past his best, with a suspect chin and it would’ve been impossible to run for 12 rounds without getting plugged. Even so, he had his moments .
In summary, I accept Canelo is favourite, but I’m going all in and tipping (a bit in hope) a Bud victory. I was one of the very few that felt Canelo had chosen badly when he opted to fight Bivol and got that spot on.
I hope I’m right again.