Andre Ward v these fighters

[Master]

I have been watching some Andre Ward episodes over the past few weeks and they are good. The one with Joe Calzaghe is excellent.

He does this one below with Roy Jones and they both ask some great questions of one another which is all honest and respectful.

Ward said that Eastern Europeans did not like to fight on the inside, Andre knew he would give the early rounds because he was setting up the pressure for the later rounds and he got stronger as the fight went on. Roy said he sparred with Leonard and improved even more, hardly threw jabs because they made him predictable and found fighting on the inside easy work.

It got me wondering how Andre Ward would have dealt with

B Hop
Golovkin
Joe Calzaghe
James Toney
Beterbiev
Bivol

[TIC]

andre loses to all of those fighters you listed

[Master]

I think Ward would work out a way to beat James Toney at Super middleweight.

I am sure Ward beats B Hop too.

Andre may have a chance against Beterbiev and Bivol. Remember what he did with Kov. That was unexpected and Ward took on the challenge of his career.

[TIC]

a switched on james would man handle andre. bernard would beat andre at his own game. andre chose to retire instead of fighting artur. dmitry would outbox him. andre lost the first fight to sergei but got a gift & then should have been dq'd in the rematch. sergei should have been given five minutes to recover at the very least. sergei was winning when it ended, although he was hurt

[Primo Carnera]

I have been watching some Andre Ward episodes over the past few weeks and they are good. The one with Joe Calzaghe is excellent.

He does this one below with Roy Jones and they both ask some great questions of one another which is all honest and respectful.

Ward said that Eastern Europeans did not like to fight on the inside, Andre knew he would give the early rounds because he was setting up the pressure for the later rounds and he got stronger as the fight went on. Roy said he sparred with Leonard and improved even more, hardly threw jabs because they made him predictable and found fighting on the inside easy work.

It got me wondering how Andre Ward would have dealt with

B Hop
Golovkin
Joe Calzaghe
James Toney
Beterbiev
Bivol

B Hop - Ward would bully him. Too big and strong

Golovkin - Ward pretty convincingly. Are we saying Ward can’t beat somebody that Canelo bested?

Joe Calzaghe - debatable because neither lost . There is an argument that prime v prime , Calzaghe would outbox and out score Ward to a points victory. But I would say Ward gets to Calzaghe on the inside and saps the strength out of Calzaghe.

James Toney - now it gets interesting. Toney had a lot of ring craft , but I keep thinking Ward always found a way, so how do we know he wouldn’t find a way?

Beterbiev - I actually think these 2 have taken the division to another level. Lots of power and speed, clinical, strong possibly strong enough to cope with Ward on the inside. But I’m just going to give it to Ward.

Bivol - as above , but I think Bivol might be able to move just about enough to not get dragged into an energy sapping clutch fest. Close as hell, but I just can’t go against Ward.

So as you can see, I rate Ward quite a bit higher than @TIC does.

[TIC]

andre wasn't too big & strong for bernard. the fight would be horrible to watch. full of headbutting & smothering. i could see someone getting dq'd. if it went to a result bernard would take the decision. he was too crafty for andre

i thought ggg beat canelo it the first fight & the second was a close war. i wouldn't be surprised if ggg knocked andre out

[Master]

Ward was big and strong at super middleweight and would handle B Hop. Andre would not allow Hopkins to slow the fight down and can get down and dirty himself if he had to handle Bernard's tactics.

Ward was too big and strong for Golovkin which is why triple G never moved up weights.

Ward took on the Krusher Kov at his peak and was the underdog coming into the contest. That takes balls and enhances his legacy. Yes he was fortunate to win but showed he has the heart, mindset and determination of a great fighter.

[Primo Carnera]

andre wasn't too big & strong for bernard. the fight would be horrible to watch. full of headbutting & smothering. i could see someone getting dq'd. if it went to a result bernard would take the decision. he was too crafty for andre

i thought ggg beat canelo it the first fight & the second was a close war. i wouldn't be surprised if ggg knocked andre out

If GGG Couldn’t knock Canelo out, how would he KO Ward? He was quite a small albeit powerful MW , hence why he stayed there until he cashed out with Canelo.
I agree Ward/BHop would be an ugly smotherfest, but Ward would be way too strong . Hopkins was a natural LMW/MW only moving up the weights with age. Ward was a natural LHW who came down to SMW once he turned pro and was training with a lot more intensity.

[TIC]

canelo's chin is much better than andre's. bernard started out at light heavy & only remained at middleweight through dedication like marvin & gennady did. bernard could have remained at middle but there was nothing left for him to do there, so he moved up two weights for the antonio tarver fight

[iwng100]

I have been watching some Andre Ward episodes over the past few weeks and they are good. The one with Joe Calzaghe is excellent.

He does this one below with Roy Jones and they both ask some great questions of one another which is all honest and respectful.

Ward said that Eastern Europeans did not like to fight on the inside, Andre knew he would give the early rounds because he was setting up the pressure for the later rounds and he got stronger as the fight went on. Roy said he sparred with Leonard and improved even more, hardly threw jabs because they made him predictable and found fighting on the inside easy work.

It got me wondering how Andre Ward would have dealt with

B Hop
Golovkin
Joe Calzaghe
James Toney
Beterbiev
Bivol

B Hop - Ward would bully him. Too big and strong

Golovkin - Ward pretty convincingly. Are we saying Ward can’t beat somebody that Canelo bested?

Joe Calzaghe - debatable because neither lost . There is an argument that prime v prime , Calzaghe would outbox and out score Ward to a points victory. But I would say Ward gets to Calzaghe on the inside and saps the strength out of Calzaghe.

James Toney - now it gets interesting. Toney had a lot of ring craft , but I keep thinking Ward always found a way, so how do we know he wouldn’t find a way?

Beterbiev - I actually think these 2 have taken the division to another level. Lots of power and speed, clinical, strong possibly strong enough to cope with Ward on the inside. But I’m just going to give it to Ward.

Bivol - as above , but I think Bivol might be able to move just about enough to not get dragged into an energy sapping clutch fest. Close as hell, but I just can’t go against Ward.

So as you can see, I rate Ward quite a bit higher than @TIC does.

I'll switch your statements from the first two sentences between them : Andre is too big and strong for GGG, my vote : Ward

How can Bernard beat SOG if he couldn't bested JT ? my vote : Ward

I think the Brits will hate me but I have to be onest, Joe was good but Andre was just better. My vote : Ward

James Toney - I agree with everything you said, my vote : ? Ward ?

Beterbiev - I'll go with Andre too (yes , I know , I'm not a good patriot). I remember how Arthur KD Tavoris Cloud by punching him from the clinch, so I think SOG would have respected Arthur's power and would have fought from outside, like he did against Kessler. Of course AB could have KO Ward too, Im not so sure about this one. My vote : ? Ward ?

Bivol - Very close fight. Dmitry moving a lot to avoid clinches and winning the first half, and Andre adjusting and wining the second one. The fight would have happened in the SOG backyard, so .... my vote : Ward

Just because SOG won all these fights, I propose another one : prime Ward vs. prime Roy Jones
- My vote : Nobody would have beaten Roy in his prime -

[ykdadamaja]

Ward beats all of them...

[Primo Carnera]

I have been watching some Andre Ward episodes over the past few weeks and they are good. The one with Joe Calzaghe is excellent.

He does this one below with Roy Jones and they both ask some great questions of one another which is all honest and respectful.

Ward said that Eastern Europeans did not like to fight on the inside, Andre knew he would give the early rounds because he was setting up the pressure for the later rounds and he got stronger as the fight went on. Roy said he sparred with Leonard and improved even more, hardly threw jabs because they made him predictable and found fighting on the inside easy work.

It got me wondering how Andre Ward would have dealt with

B Hop
Golovkin
Joe Calzaghe
James Toney
Beterbiev
Bivol

B Hop - Ward would bully him. Too big and strong

Golovkin - Ward pretty convincingly. Are we saying Ward can’t beat somebody that Canelo bested?

Joe Calzaghe - debatable because neither lost . There is an argument that prime v prime , Calzaghe would outbox and out score Ward to a points victory. But I would say Ward gets to Calzaghe on the inside and saps the strength out of Calzaghe.

James Toney - now it gets interesting. Toney had a lot of ring craft , but I keep thinking Ward always found a way, so how do we know he wouldn’t find a way?

Beterbiev - I actually think these 2 have taken the division to another level. Lots of power and speed, clinical, strong possibly strong enough to cope with Ward on the inside. But I’m just going to give it to Ward.

Bivol - as above , but I think Bivol might be able to move just about enough to not get dragged into an energy sapping clutch fest. Close as hell, but I just can’t go against Ward.

So as you can see, I rate Ward quite a bit higher than @TIC does.

I'll switch your statements from the first two sentences between them : Andre is too big and strong for GGG, my vote : Ward

How can Bernard beat SOG if he couldn't bested JT ? my vote : Ward

I think the Brits will hate me but I have to be onest, Joe was good but Andre was just better. My vote : Ward

James Toney - I agree with everything you said, my vote : ? Ward ?

Beterbiev - I'll go with Andre too (yes , I know , I'm not a good patriot). I remember how Arthur KD Tavoris Cloud by punching him from the clinch, so I think SOG would have respected Arthur's power and would have fought from outside, like he did against Kessler. Of course AB could have KO Ward too, Im not so sure about this one. My vote : ? Ward ?

Bivol - Very close fight. Dmitry moving a lot to avoid clinches and winning the first half, and Andre adjusting and wining the second one. The fight would have happened in the SOG backyard, so .... my vote : Ward

Just because SOG won all these fights, I propose another one : prime Ward vs. prime Roy Jones
- My vote : Nobody would have beaten Roy in his prime -

Yep, and I very nearly put the same last sentence as you did with RJJ. 👍

[Primo Carnera]

canelo's chin is much better than andre's. bernard started out at light heavy & only remained at middleweight through dedication like marvin & gennady did. bernard could have remained at middle but there was nothing left for him to do there, so he moved up two weights for the antonio tarver fight

canelo's chin is much better than andre's.

How do we know this? No doubt Canelo has a great chin. We know that because it’s been tested on a number of occasions.
But we don’t know about Ward because quite frankly, I’m not sure he’s ever been tested in that department. He’s never looked uncomfortable in a fight from what I can remember.

[/QUOTE]
bernard started out at light heavy & only remained at middleweight through dedication like marvin & gennady did. [/QUOTE]
And the exact same could be said about Ward.

[/QUOTE] bernard could have remained at middle but there was nothing left for him to do there, so he moved up two weights for the antonio tarver fight[/QUOTE]

Again, the exact same could be said about Ward. Ward beat everyone.
It’s very difficult to surmise about a fighter when he’s never been beat, because you’re in unknown territory. And Ward was unbeaten since he was 11.

[Master]

Ward was hurt in the first fight against Kovalev. He had a bloodied nose in the first round with the jab and knocked down with a right hand in the second round. Ward got up and took the fight to Krusher and dug up a win. If he can do that against an unbeaten and avoided light heavyweight he could do it against Beterbiev.

[TIC]

canelo's chin is much better than andre's. bernard started out at light heavy & only remained at middleweight through dedication like marvin & gennady did. bernard could have remained at middle but there was nothing left for him to do there, so he moved up two weights for the antonio tarver fight

canelo's chin is much better than andre's.

How do we know this? No doubt Canelo has a great chin. We know that because it’s been tested on a number of occasions.
But we don’t know about Ward because quite frankly, I’m not sure he’s ever been tested in that department. He’s never looked uncomfortable in a fight from what I can remember.

bernard started out at light heavy & only remained at middleweight through dedication like marvin & gennady did. [/QUOTE]
And the exact same could be said about Ward.

[/QUOTE] bernard could have remained at middle but there was nothing left for him to do there, so he moved up two weights for the antonio tarver fight[/QUOTE]

Again, the exact same could be said about Ward. Ward beat everyone.
It’s very difficult to surmise about a fighter when he’s never been beat, because you’re in unknown territory. And Ward was unbeaten since he was 11.[/QUOTE]

if andre has never looked uncomfortable to you in a fight then you haven't watched enough of his fights

you said

"Hopkins was a natural LMW/MW only moving up the weights with age"

i disagree with that & pointed out that bernard started out as a light heavy. i think bernard was more a natural light heavyweight

i watched andre lose, although he got the decision. andre's record is also very decptive. his best wins are over overrated carl & mikkel