Gaining Position and circling to the right (counter clockwise)

[Austin_B]

to fix that what you probably want is a step around. a step around (which is just a hop step) can get you there more suddenly. but its sort of a party trick. that is, whenever you step around him he can step around you too.



he can get smart to it. therein is your conundrum. you have to get to your position faster than he can get to his position and reset everything back. but to get there faster than he can you need some kind of a break away action, like a step around, but even that can be completely counteracted too.

you can't completely take away his right hand going to your right, but staying out on the end of his right hand and going to your right can greatly compound how hard that punch can be to throw at you. you can't completely stop him from restoring his and yours position, but whenever you do gain that position on him, and you will, even when you aren't deliberately trying to, the punch that you should want to throw is your hook inside his right elbow.



that should be a great punch for you.

Another position which also try to gain , but also have trouble acquiring is shown below. In position 4, I am also circling right , but have more of an inside position.
https://i.postimg.cc/13MGGwmt/boxing-1-to-4.png

that looks like you got the ring cut off on you. when that happens it creates a lot of open space for you to move into and in this case that open space is to your left. how comfortable are you doing that?

Wow, great info here. Thank you so much for sharing. The Hatton video shows this step around you are speaking about quite well. Okay wow, I have only used the hop step in forward advancing, or retreating. I never put together that the "hopping" footwork I am seeing people do in close, is that same, skipping, hop step mechanic.


That hook inside the elbow is great, that is a new one for me as well. Very cool, I only ever thought about throwing the left hook outside the elbow. Yes, your description of having the ring cut off on me is accurate. In regards to your question, I am comfortable while circling jabbing left, although I think my toolset is limited in how to make stuff happen off of that jab. I suppose I have just been quite focused on getting the angle circling right, as it seemed more defensively sound given that you circling towards the opponent's back, however the clip with Joshua provides good caveat that notion, and underscores the importance of good foot position if circling to my right.

Maybe I am trying to force the angle going right to much if I am having to cover so much distance. Could one hop step from a position facing and orthodox opponent's right side (open side) , all the way to a position facing their left side (closed side)? Or would such a distance and cutting across their center like that in range be a mistake? I noticed in the video, Hatton is performing a step around while starting from a position in the of his opponent center, then moving to either side, while I was trying to find some maneuver from an angle on their right all the way to an angle on their left.
Alternatively, perhaps I should just develop more skill use the angle on their right (open side) instead of trying to force the angle on their left.
Thank you again for everything you have shared, very helpful!

[Yuzo]

you are basically trying to get around his shoulder the same way that you'd drive a car around a bend in the road. the difference is the bend in the road is always moving around with you too. when you are further away you can skip around his shoulder faster than you can walk there in your stance (but this puts both of your feet in the air and they have to come back down to the ground to punch) and when you are near him you can step around (a hop step) to get around his shoulder more suddenly. step arounds work the best on a guy that is standing still. when you think you got a guy standing still, say, to rest, thats your cue.

you are basically jockeying for position. you won't always be in position, but when you do gain your position back, and you will, put your hook inside his right elbow.

Maybe I am trying to force the angle going right to much if I am having to cover so much distance. Could one hop step from a position facing and orthodox opponent's right side (open side) , all the way to a position facing their left side (closed side)? Or would such a distance and cutting across their center like that in range be a mistake? I noticed in the video, Hatton is performing a step around while starting from a position in the of his opponent center, then moving to either side, while I was trying to find some maneuver from an angle on their right all the way to an angle on their left.

you seem to me to be trying to force your way through instead of just taking what he is giving you and using all of that big open space. my advice is to take the open space. when you get that much room you can basically reset the ring and space everything back out the way you want.

Alternatively, perhaps I should just develop more skill use the angle on their right (open side) instead of trying to force the angle on their left.

a jab circling to your left is a punch that makes boxing very, very easy. should that appeal to you the best advice that i can ever give you is to get really good at throwing that punch.

[Austin_B]

you are basically trying to get around his shoulder the same way that you'd drive a car around a bend in the road. the difference is the bend in the road is always moving around with you too. when you are further away you can skip around his shoulder faster than you can walk there in your stance (but this puts both of your feet in the air and they have to come back down to the ground to punch) and when you are near him you can step around (a hop step) to get around his shoulder more suddenly. step arounds work the best on a guy that is standing still. when you think you got a guy standing still, say, to rest, thats your cue.

you are basically jockeying for position. you won't always be in position, but when you do gain your position back, and you will, put your hook inside his right elbow.

Maybe I am trying to force the angle going right to much if I am having to cover so much distance. Could one hop step from a position facing and orthodox opponent's right side (open side) , all the way to a position facing their left side (closed side)? Or would such a distance and cutting across their center like that in range be a mistake? I noticed in the video, Hatton is performing a step around while starting from a position in the of his opponent center, then moving to either side, while I was trying to find some maneuver from an angle on their right all the way to an angle on their left.

you seem to me to be trying to force your way through instead of just taking what he is giving you and using all of that big open space. my advice is to take the open space. when you get that much room you can basically reset the ring and space everything back out the way you want.

Alternatively, perhaps I should just develop more skill use the angle on their right (open side) instead of trying to force the angle on their left.

a jab circling to your left is a punch that makes boxing very, very easy. should that appeal to you the best advice that i can ever give you is to get really good at throwing that punch.

Thank you for the advice regarding taking the open space, and really working on my left circling jab-I appreciate it! The earlier tip provided on the jab have already proven useful. Much appreciated!