Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Duke McKenzie said Usyk deserves to be in the all-time top 20 [best] heavyweights in the world, but we don't know where he sits in that top 20,"

"Your Fraziers, Foremans, Alis - then you have Lennox Lewis, your Tysons, Riddick Bowe, your Evander Holyfields, there's a lot of guys that would've given Usyk a lot of trouble that aren't the real big names."

Spencer Oliver chimed in: "Someone like Joe Frazier, who was relentless, but was a little bit predictable... Someone like Usyk who had that skill set, and you're talking about size and all that, you have to put Usyk as a massive favourite over Frazier.

"Usyk puts his name in that argument, even with the Muhammad Ali's, because of what he's done.

McKenzie concluded: "That's what I'm saying, he's in the top 20!"

https://talksport.com/boxing/3436880...-muhammad-ali/
totally get this view ! It's very difficult - especially given his contemporaries

AJ, Dubois and Chisora are nowhere near an all time top ten - and Fury is his best win and that was razor thin the first time and I still say the second could have gone either way despite the four points the judges gave. We have to be thankful we got the last 20 seconds of round 9 in the first fight to give us something to differentiate them (and without it Fury would have won the first one). I would love to see a third and Fury getting KTFO now.

I get sick of other, less knowledgeable casuals, thinking Tyson in his prime would have destroyed Ali. Tyson wouldn't have got anywhere near him and would have looked an embarrassed pathetic, sorry figure by the later rounds

so for me it's

1) Ali
2) Lewis
3) Louis
4) Holmes
5) Foreman
6) Frazier
7) Johnson (basing that of course on what I've read not what I know !)
Holyfield
9) Liston
10) It's tough here - any from Usyk, Tyson, Dempsey, Bruno, Marciano etc etc....

And then again I think a prime Fury gives anyone on that list major problems - as I've said before imo the Fury who beat Wlad and Wilder II beats Usyk.

I can't see what Usyk can do to get himself any higher really - there's no challenges there

Top four easy to select though !