Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Evander Holyfied was undisputed at 2 weights and beat Mike Tyson as well as an old Holmes.

However, he was inconsistent as champ and lost to Bowe, Moorer and Lennox during his best years.

I think Evander would have won a great fight against Usyk at cruiserweight but lost to him at heavyweight.
I dunno, the hypotheticals and subjectivity is always magnified in atg list as stated earlier. I mean sure 'old Holmes' but also old Holmes who had just schooled Mercer off his destruction of Morrison. A gold medalist Mercer too . Mercer had just dropped his belt rather than fight Moorer. Thought he had hit the easy lotto with old Holmes, oops.

To each their own of course. But while Moorer will forever be known as the man who shared Foreman history while blinking at the lights, or was detonated by Tua later in career, or a certified terror train at lt hvy who never got his big shot, he wasn't completely crap either. Probably fought the most disciplined fight of his career with Holyfield behind his power jab...and it still should have only been a draw if not for the asinine round 2 scoring. Every single hvy has had their own inconsistency. I mean both Lewis and Wlad were poleaxed at their top and honestly imo by guys lesser than a top form Moorer. Lost to Bowe, then beat him. Lost to Moorer, then beat him. Lost to Lennox, then improved much and gave a very competitive fight. Respect to Lewis. I look at level of consistent top comp moreso I guess. Not running up standard defenses of belts we also dismiss as fans monthly. That's how I see Holyfield big picture. We can asterisk guys with points in respected careers, pick apart records as has been said. But Holyfield has the distinction of defeating and competing with 4 of the named greats on many fans ATG lists. If Tyson makes the cut for some. And people forget it was Tyson who got out of not 1 but 2 contracted fights with Holyfield prior to finally meeting. And I still say Holyfield beats him at any point . That's always been an unwarranted shadow over him I think.

Usyk-Holyfield would have been absolutely fantastic, and half inclined to agree. Can see Usyk mobility, upper body and rapid jab giving Holyfield hell. But also see combination punching and forced exchanges plus for Evander. Also think that as far as his much respected heavyweight run, Usyk with Fury or AJ or Dubois has not faced the same mental make up and overall resolve he would with Holyfield. Honestly two of the hardest wills and minds to compliment the division last two eras. We'll never know just great to have Usyk in company and almost feels like torch passed.