Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

[dayo]

could we also do do a scoring debate on rjj-tarver 1 in the future? thanks

[killersheep]

One more thing Sweetpea, hope I'm not running your idea too much, but
You should modify the first post to have a spot that says
how many people voted each way and then list the peoples score card totals underneath

i.e.

Lewis UD -

Scores
Game: Lewis 117-Holyfield 112
Killersheep: Lewis 117 - Holyfield 111
ICE COLD BOXING: Lewis 116 - Holyfield 113

[SweetPea]

One more thing Sweetpea, hope I'm not running your idea too much, but
You should modify the first post to have a spot that says
how many people voted each way and then list the peoples score card totals underneath

i.e.

Lewis UD -

Scores
Game: Lewis 117-Holyfield 112
Killersheep: Lewis 117 - Holyfield 111
ICE COLD BOXING: Lewis 116 - Holyfield 113

That's a very good idea. I'll do that.

Mayweather-Castillo I is on my short list of fights to cover, we'll definitely get to it in plenty of time for Castillo-Hatton.

And for the others who suggested fights, Hagler-Leonard and Jones-Tarver I are definitely on the list.

I'll have our next fight posted in the next couple hours.

[SweetPea]

nm

[SweetPea]

Our next fight:

April 12, 1997: Pernell Whitaker (40-1-1, 17 KO) vs. Oscar De La Hoya (23-0, 20 KO) for Whitaker's WBC Welterweight Championship.

This is 24-year-old DLH's first fight at 147 after vacating his 140 pound title. Whitaker, now 33, has been welterweight champion for over 4 years, ever since he originally defeated Buddy McGirt for the title at Madison Square Garden in March 1993.
Both fighters are considered undefeated going into this fight, as Whitaker's one loss and one draw are heavily disputed. Despite being the challenger, DLH is the clear betting favorite due to his advantage in punching power and his 9 year age advantage over a past-his-prime Whitaker.

De La Hoya won by a controversial unanimous decision, by the scores of 116-110, 116-110, 115-111.

One thing to enjoy during this fight is the sound of Lampley and Merchant arguing with each other for almost the entire 12 rounds.

[frozensolid_702]

Our next fight:

April 12, 1997: Pernell Whitaker (40-1-1, 17 KO) vs. Oscar De La Hoya (23-0, 20 KO) for Whitaker's WBC Welterweight Championship.

This is 24-year-old DLH's first fight at 147 after vacating his 140 pound title. Whitaker, now 33, has been welterweight champion for over 4 years, ever since he originally defeated Buddy McGirt for the title at Madison Square Garden in March 1993.
Both fighters are considered undefeated going into this fight, as Whitaker's one loss and one draw are heavily disputed. Despite being the challenger, DLH is the clear betting favorite due to his advantage in punching power and his 9 year age advantage over a past-his-prime Whitaker.

De La Hoya won by a controversial unanimous decision, by the scores of 116-110, 116-110, 115-111.

One thing to enjoy during this fight is the sound of Lampley and Merchant arguing with each other for almost the entire 12 rounds.

damn............ i just watched this fight like 3 days ago again and deleted from my cpu.
i remember thinking pernell won it somewhat convincingly, but didnt keep score.
guess i gotta redownload it, watch it again, and score it



to be continued

[Bookkeeper]

Our next fight:

April 12, 1997: Pernell Whitaker (40-1-1, 17 KO) vs. Oscar De La Hoya (23-0, 20 KO) for Whitaker's WBC Welterweight Championship.

This is 24-year-old DLH's first fight at 147 after vacating his 140 pound title. Whitaker, now 33, has been welterweight champion for over 4 years, ever since he originally defeated Buddy McGirt for the title at Madison Square Garden in March 1993.
Both fighters are considered undefeated going into this fight, as Whitaker's one loss and one draw are heavily disputed. Despite being the challenger, DLH is the clear betting favorite due to his advantage in punching power and his 9 year age advantage over a past-his-prime Whitaker.

De La Hoya won by a controversial unanimous decision, by the scores of 116-110, 116-110, 115-111.

One thing to enjoy during this fight is the sound of Lampley and Merchant arguing with each other for almost the entire 12 rounds.

115-113 Whitaker. That's only because he gave the last round away while showboating. Oscar could never land a good punch, Oscar landed more power shots but I swear I never saw them as Whitaker was able to elude him all night. I think prime on prime Whitaker would have probably dominated him like he did Chavez. There was a small mouse under Whitakers eye due to a thumb. Whitaker landed 50 more punches and was the ring general in the fight. During the fight you could tell Whitaker was more skilled despite the physical deteriation due too old age. One of boxing's all time greatest boxers, deserved a rematch that Oscar promised in the interview after the fight, but it never happened.

[SweetPea]

115-113 Whitaker.

Do you have a round-by round scoring?
One more thing, each fighter had a point deducted, Whitaker because of a stupid head butt rule, and De La Hoya because of a knockdown (admittedly a cheap knockdown).
I know both points basically cancel each other out there, but all scorecards should have the points deducted.
So if you have one fighter winning 7 rounds to 5, it would be 114-112. You could still have 115-113 if you had two rounds scored 10-10.
I should have mentioned this thing about the point deductions during my last post.

[Lords Gym]

This is a great thread.. the ideas that both you (sweetpea) and killersheep are coming up with are f

fantastic ! see if you can get CutmeMick or Wacko to sticky this thread ! ~LG

[killersheep]

Thanks LG, CC for ya, but give the credit to Sweetpea, this is all his baby.

Whitaker / de la Hoya 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cn6TEHHyyA

Whitaker / de la Hoya 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMPQBCLa-jk

Whitaker / de la Hoya 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQTiXwIFkm8

Whitaker / de la Hoya 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5lLxrTIL2g

Whitaker / de la Hoya 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTpdN7javQ

Whitaker / de la Hoya 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y260CEVE840

Whitaker / de la Hoya 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwNhyRRqJK8

[Lords Gym]

Thanks LG, CC for ya, but give the credit to Sweetpea, this is all his baby.

Whitaker / de la Hoya 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cn6TEHHyyA

Whitaker / de la Hoya 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMPQBCLa-jk

Whitaker / de la Hoya 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQTiXwIFkm8

Whitaker / de la Hoya 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5lLxrTIL2g

Whitaker / de la Hoya 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTpdN7javQ

Whitaker / de la Hoya 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y260CEVE840

Whitaker / de la Hoya 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwNhyRRqJK8

o yeah brother.. Sweetpea got his coolclick too !! nice idea to post the links for the current match ! , one thing i love about this board is its all about team work everyone pitches in with ideas . and it evolves and becomes better and better !

[BIG H]

Good fight - always creates a good debate

De La Hoya Whitaker

9 1 10
10 2 9
10 3 8 (Point deducted for but)
9 4 10
9 5 10
10 6 9
10 7 9
10 8 9
8 9 10
10 10 9
9 11 10
10 12 9

114 - 113


I think if you were scoring more for power punches, you may give the edge to De La Hoya, if you were scoring for all punches landed, you may give the edge to Whitaker. I tried to be objective and take both into consideration and think that De La Hoya nicked it by virtue of the last round

The but and the knockdown cancelled each other out

[killersheep]

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Whitaker | 10 | 10 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 114
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX
de la Hoya | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 112


round 1 -Whitaker able to keep his distance and outland ODLH
round 2 -ODLH adjusting and looking better, still Sweetpea more in control
round 3 -ODLH had the more effective punches, Whitaker loses a point for head butt
round 4 -ODLH controlling the action
round 5 -Whitaker's jab took that round
round 6 -ODLH landing some great hooks
round 7-Whitaker able to match and exceed ODLH's punches
round 8-ODLH landed some good power shots, but whitaker landed cleaner
round 9 -ODLH Knocked down
round 10-ODLH countering effectively had a few good flurries
round 11-Whitaker's defense was incredible making Oscar miss like crazy
round 12-Sweetpea looks slow Oscar takes full advantage

I could definately see how judges could see most of these rounds going either way.

[killersheep]

Good fight - always creates a good debate

De La Hoya Whitaker

9 1 10
10 2 9
10 3 8 (Point deducted for but)
9 4 10
9 5 10
10 6 9
10 7 9
10 8 9
8 9 10
10 10 9
9 11 10
10 12 9

114 - 113


I think if you were scoring more for power punches, you may give the edge to De La Hoya, if you were scoring for all punches landed, you may give the edge to Whitaker. I tried to be objective and take both into consideration and think that De La Hoya nicked it by virtue of the last round

The but and the knockdown cancelled each other out

I think you're math is wrong you should have 112 for Sweet pea

[BIG H]

Good fight - always creates a good debate

De La Hoya Whitaker

9 1 10
10 2 9
10 3 8 (Point deducted for but)
9 4 10
9 5 10
10 6 9
10 7 9
10 8 9
8 9 10
10 10 9
9 11 10
10 12 9

114 - 113


I think if you were scoring more for power punches, you may give the edge to De La Hoya, if you were scoring for all punches landed, you may give the edge to Whitaker. I tried to be objective and take both into consideration and think that De La Hoya nicked it by virtue of the last round

The but and the knockdown cancelled each other out

I think you're math is wrong you should have 112 for Sweet pea