Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

[GAME]

How do yall justify giving Round 1 to Delahoya?? just curious I felt it was an easy round for Quartey. Ike dominated the majority of the round backing Delahoya up using his jab and left hook.. Oscar had a few flurries at the end of R 1 , but landed nothing except on the elbows. The majority of the round was dominated by Ike

I just notice VD is in agreement. anyone else ? look at R 1 again and see what you think !

Hearld must have been watching the ring card girls during R 1 .

The first round was pretty close, but then again most rounds were . The 1st half minute it was all Ike . He was on the front foot and Oscra was just taking a long look but when he got to work he was letting his shots go to head and body . Ike was coming forward with a high guard but throwing single punches . Oscar let his combinations go several times so I scored the round to him based on that . Its also the reason that he clinched the fight by 1 point . He was willing to take a chance in the last round. Ike boxed like the classier fighter but Oscar was letting his shots go in flurries so it was this effort that swayed the first to Oscar on my card .

[BIG H]

Would be interesed to see peoples cards for Eubank v Watson I

Anybody got a link?

[ICB]

Would be interesed to see peoples cards for Eubank v Watson I

Anybody got a link?

no but i have the fight i could upload it but ill have to find different uploader because my other one expired but from what i remember watson derserved the nod

[BIG H]

I think I had it 115-114 for Watson - gave Eubank 5 of the first 6 then Watson pulled it back.

[SweetPea]

I gave the 1st to DLH based on activity level. Quartey was effective at the beginning, but he didn't throw much at all toward the end, and DLH let loose with a bunch of flurries. They weren't that effective, but some landed.
Definitely a round that could go either way or be called even. If I went back and watched it again, I might change my mind, but I had Quartey winning anyway, so it wouldn't change the outcome for me.
I may be wrong, but I think Merchant may have scored that round for Quartey, or had it even. I think Merchant said at some point that he had one more round for Quartey than Lederman did.

[SweetPea]

Ok, good discussion on Quartey-DLH. We've got some other DLH fights that we can discuss later, but I don't want to do them for a little while because I want to try to space out fights with the same fighters.

I originally wasn't planning on doing the next fight I'm going to list, because I thought the real outcome was clear, but a discussion of it came up in another thread the other day, and it seemed like there were actually one or two people who didn't see it as a robbery, so I decided we should take a look at it and settle the debate. I don't think it's on youtube but I'm sure it's available for download somewhere.

September 10, 1993. Julio Cesar Chavez (87-0, 75 KO) vs. Pernell Whitaker (32-1, 15 KO) for Whitaker's WBC Welterweight Title. This fight was also for the unofficial title of #1 Pound-for-Pound, and was fought in front of the 2nd largest indoor crowd ever at a boxing event.

The three judges scored the fight 115-113 Whitaker, 115-115, 115-115. Majority Draw, Whitaker retained his title.

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Whitaker | 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 117
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Chavez | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 111

[SEANIE]

I beleive in the chavez whittaker fight that one of the judges. micky vann took a point of whittaker without the referee instructing him to do so. apparently its not illegal. how about honeygan vaca 1. honeygan lost his title because of an unintentional clash of heads. but WBC rules stated that the boxer who never received the cut loses a point. if it wasnt for this rule honeygan would have retained his title with a draw.

[BIG H]

I beleive in the chavez whittaker fight that one of the judges. micky vann took a point of whittaker without the referee instructing him to do so. apparently its not illegal. how about honeygan vaca 1. honeygan lost his title because of an unintentional clash of heads. but WBC rules stated that the boxer who never received the cut loses a point. if it wasnt for this rule honeygan would have retained his title with a draw.

Honeyhan was never the same after that either - sorry to stray from the thread

[ICB]

Ok, good discussion on Quartey-DLH. We've got some other DLH fights that we can discuss later, but I don't want to do them for a little while because I want to try to space out fights with the same fighters.

I originally wasn't planning on doing the next fight I'm going to list, because I thought the real outcome was clear, but a discussion of it came up in another thread the other day, and it seemed like there were actually one or two people who didn't see it as a robbery, so I decided we should take a look at it and settle the debate. I don't think it's on youtube but I'm sure it's available for download somewhere.

September 10, 1993. Julio Cesar Chavez (87-0, 75 KO) vs. Pernell Whitaker (32-1, 15 KO) for Whitaker's WBC Welterweight Title. This fight was also for the unofficial title of #1 Pound-for-Pound, and was fought in front of the 2nd largest indoor crowd ever at a boxing event.

The three judges scored the fight 115-113 Whitaker, 115-115, 115-115. Majority Draw, Whitaker retained his title.

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Whitaker | 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 117
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Chavez | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 111

cc sweetpea ill do my card soon

[ICB]

rd1 10-10 even
rd2 chavez 10-9
rd3 whitaker 10-9
rd4 whitaker 10-9
rd5 chavez 10-9
rd6 whitaker 10-9
rd7 whitaker 10-9
rd8 whitaker 10-9
rd9 chavez 10-9
rd10 whitaker 10-9
rd11 whitaker 10-9
rd12 chavez 10-9

116 whitaker 113 chavez first 6 rounds were quite close but after that i think whitaker won most of rounds and definetly derserved the nod i give chavez the 12th round because even though it was close chavez was bit more aggressive so being bit fair to chavez i give him 12 th round i was fair to both fighters but no way in hell should chavez got a draw

[p4pking]

There is nothing contraversial about this fight aside from the blatant robbery. I may go back and watch this again but I have seen it many times and maybe it's simply my taste, but I saw no possible way to give Chavez more than 2 rounds. I believe the 2nd and maybe the 12th. Whittaker dominated some rounds so badly it was tempting to score them 10-8 even though he never hurt Chavez. But anyways my score was 118-110. It was a complete robbery any way anyone could slice it.

[Bookkeeper]

There is nothing contraversial about this fight aside from the blatant robbery. I may go back and watch this again but I have seen it many times and maybe it's simply my taste, but I saw no possible way to give Chavez more than 2 rounds. I believe the 2nd and maybe the 12th. Whittaker dominated some rounds so badly it was tempting to score them 10-8 even though he never hurt Chavez. But anyways my score was 118-110. It was a complete robbery any way anyone could slice it.

I agree, we should not even waste our time scoring this fight.

[CutMeMick]

Julio C. Chavez vs. Pernell Whitaker

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[Purist]

Post the fight but Chavez got dominated

[CutMeMick]

Post the fight but Chavez got dominated

My love, I posted the fight for those who would like to contribute to the thread and don't have the fight or have it but would make it easier to view the fight in the thread as you can type your rd. by rd. as your watching the fight.

But you knew that those were my intentions right?