Yeah I get your point now.

Guess what? The first time that he tried to do the shoulder roll he got nailed with a huge right. Eddy Futch corrected it the best he could. Roach was an ok fighter no contender or world beater though, but a few of the things he teaches are worth knowing.

I think one of the better trainers out there is Emanual Steward he only gives advice that he knows his fighter's will listen too. But I can't complain with the way Roach is training Pacquiao. Can you see Pacquiao doing the things that Mayweather is doing? Pacquiao has enough attributes and enough skill that he can upset a skilled boxer's rhythem without really outboxing the guy. It's like when Rocky Marciano fought guy's like Archie Moore.

The only guy that can give Pacquiao a lot of trouble is Marquez, and that's a fight we're all looking forward too.