Exactly right my man!Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Exactly right my man!Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I agree... I would also add... β no excuses β.. nothing worse then theβ I broke my β, I this , I that... I think Cotto has shown good champion qualities in that regard.. fighting his last man while sick with Pneumonia and not making a issue on it... hell only outside sources picked up on it, as Miguel was rushed to the hospital after his match.... impressive mental toughness Cotto.. He gonna be waxing that Judah ass real soon .Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Exactly. Though he must possess the attributes of a good fighter, and a manager that helps get him those fights.Originally Posted by Fenster
If you hear a voice within you saying that I am not a painter, then by all means paint and that voice will be silenced.
Out of the ring doesn't matter to me unless it prevents them from getting fights.
I also agree with what Fenster said here. That is why I said my ultimate champion would "consistently" step up the opposition and not constantly.Originally Posted by Fenster
And I was "havin' a laugh" with the American thing, "don't cha know."
Somebody who gets to the top and stays there !!!
People always say Calzaghe has fought nobody ( Sheika ,Mittchell,Brewer,Lacy,Woodall,Reid,Eubank) but he has the resolve to stay at that weight and be a champion of that weight class to own that weight class to make his name synonymous with that weight !!
He fights his way the old fashioned way sometimes using Skill and sometimes using his fighting instincts which more often than not he has to reign in .
He may not be an alltime great but he is a the best champion out there today .
He's avoided nobody at Supermiddle he stood toe to toe with Vaunted punchers and boxed when he had to !!
I except Manfredo is a soft touch but he was willing to fight Hopkins FW made the fight.
He believes he's the best and whilst he has gone backwards technically and suffered injuries he'sstood up strong for 10 whole years and not BELLYFLOPPED through the divisions.
Being a champ for that long takes some doing.
You can't argue with his success.
Are you saying that he has faced better competition than ODLH or PBF? Moving up in weight is HUGELY taxing.Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
The problem with calling Calzaghe a good CHAMPION at this point is that there is another person that he has
yet to face....................Kessler...........who has a legitimate claim to the same Champion title.
I am not trying to discount what Joe has done, I think he is a phenomenal boxer, the last thing he has to do
IMO to be a good champion is beat Kessler, THEN he can claim he owns the division and move on to more
lucrative novelty money-making fights like Hopkins, Taylor etc. etc.
For every story told that divides us, I believe there are a thousand untold that unite us.
1. Takes on all opponents; ducks noone.
2. Enjoys the sport; gives back to the fans.
3. Leaves it all out in the ring; takes few, if any, rounds off.
4. Acts with CLASS, both in and out of the ring.
5. While focused on the task at hand while in the ring, shows respect for other boxers.
6. Has an exciting style for fans to watch.
There's others, but those are just a few off the top of my head.
Personally...
I like a champ to be the sort of guy to defend against all comers..
Not one of these fighters that skips through the weight classes earning different title after title...
Basically, To win the title off the guy who is considered the real champ, to be the man ya gotta beat the man.. and then defend against the top competition..
I would describe Tito, Bernard Hopkins, Duran, srl, hagler , hearns among many others as true champions..
None of these ducked another fighter and they wanted to fight the best...
I think hatton could be such a good champion if it werent for his brief outing at welter and the ibf..
I mean.. he won the title from the real champ, then beat another champ to unify, and hes been looking for the big fights since in all fairness.. The way it was supposed to go was to defend his titles against juan lazcano..A legitimate contender and great fighter with a name, then castillo would have come along.. so he wants these big names but cant seem to keep hold of a title
Immortal Technique
jus take a look at guys like muhammad ali and james toney, they'll fight anybdy, anywhere anytime. toney when he was younger was a very active champ, infact he fought 6 weeks after he won the title in a tough fight against michael nunn. not onli did he fight often but he fights the best no matter how dangerous they are. infact toney has fought arguably the most dangerous puncher in the world in sam peter.
i say a prime tyson,louis, leonard, ali, toney and ray robinsons come to mind as true champs.
imo calzaghe hasnt proven to me to be a true hamp. he has heart whilst he is fighting against empty tomato cans like mitchell. he doesnt fight often, and when he does he's fighting bika (a good fighter but he should have fought somebody like kessler) or manfredo, its ridiculous! i hope manfredo causes a huge upset, he definetly has the skill n power to do so, jus watch his fight against pemberton.
Cc.. Good point brother..Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
Toney in my opinion would make an excellent heavyweight champion..
The guy has a proven track record and has fallen just short of bieng heavyweight champ twice..
But its a proven fact that he will fight anybody anywhere anytime..
If only he had the discipline to get in shape then he would dominate the heavyweight division and could have been champ for a while now
Immortal Technique
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