US Military - Boxing training manual

[Trainer Monkey]

He wrote a manual on boxing in 1940,that discusses the importance of balance,it was his writings on that aspect of the sport that would be a huge influence on the younger Bruce Lee

It wasn't a discussion on balance per say, it was aboxing manual that covered everything from punches, stance, counters/sequences and some nuances that are no longer taught today. Anyways Edwin L. Haislet was a boxing coach that trained golden gloves fighters and over the years had gathered what he new and wrote a boxing manual on it.

His book didn't influence a younger Bruce Lee either. Bruce Lee in the beginning was brought up in Wing Chun. He was very analytical and was interested in many books, practitioners, and different media covering the martial arts. As he grew older he began to phase away from Wing Chun forms and began incorporating a lot of boxing methods, even studying fights by Ali, Willy Pep, an other fighters. There's no point in making a discussion our of it.

He was no innovator or original thinker, but I believe he was objective enough as to see things as an original observer. In otherwords, asking the right questions and trying finding all the right answers.

He quoted Haislet's print almost word by word, along with copying the words of Jack Dempsey from Dempsey's manual and everything else that suited his interests. Fencing has a lot of applications that are suitable for boxing. Although much of the moves are different, some of the methods and tactics still apply. Example feinting to provoke a parry and preceding to counter, control of the distance/pace, and the tempo/cadence/rhythem these are things that great fighters like Pep, Ali, and other great fighters have found on their own. Bruce Lee was able to find it, it's not burried you can find them out for yourself. The moves and techniques are meaningless, knowing isn't enough as understanding them and being able to apply them on a moment's notice.

Actually Chris the things from his manual that seemed to intrest Lee the most involved balance
Honestly,fencing as its currently done,is for shit,youd be better off with the SCA which at least involves full contact

[Trainer Monkey]

And Lee was incredibly inovative at the time,not only in his training of caucasians,but also in his understanding of a simple fact,and one at the time only one other person agreed with him .
You arent JUST training an art form
The person your training needs to defend themselves with what your teaching,dogmatism is useless against a well aimed trash can

[Chris Nagel]

I'm not attacking your opinion, it's irrelevant. From what I noticed is how Bruce Lee's footwork and punching has changed. Before he drew from the manuals you could see from the training footage that he through WIng Chun punches, his footwork was also unorganised before his boxing influence. I read an account from Lewis who was one of his students saying how he spent hours at a time practicing footwork and incorporating the boxing punches. Balance was an interest as with all his attributes but it wasn't a single obssesion more like a culmination of elements. Fencing has a lot of positives, to discount them is simply being closed minded. Each style is constricted by it's own form, such as many people are through their own bias and opinions.

Personally I'd rather be an "al la carta" fighter, the bigger the menu, the more I can use.

[Chris Nagel]

What's your point.

[Trainer Monkey]

I'm not attacking your opinion, it's irrelevant. From what I noticed is how Bruce Lee's footwork and punching has changed. Before he drew from the manuals you could see from the training footage that he through WIng Chun punches, his footwork was also unorganised before his boxing influence. I read an account from Lewis who was one of his students saying how he spent hours at a time practicing footwork and incorporating the boxing punches. Balance was an interest as with all his attributes but it wasn't a single obssesion more like a combinations. Fencing has a lot of positives, to discount them is simply being closed minded. Each style is constricted by it's own form, such as many people are through their own bias and opinions.

Personally I'd rather be an "al la carta" fighter, the more I can use, then the bigger the menu.

Ever see the SCA?
Youd see where Id discount fencing,mind Fencing is part of it,but we discount the guys who only do that
Trust me son,I know very well what a gorget is,I have 4 different ones
I know what a halbred is,
I own a bacinet
My son is named after the king of the Visigoths
I know more different styles then just about anyone i know,thats not being cocky,that just is
Your 19 years old and cocky
Im alot older
You try to discount me,but Ive spent my whole life abtaining martial knowledge,and guess what? Ive had longer to do it.
The origin of the white and the black belt.
Novices where handed white belts,over time they dirtied as they studied

[Dadi Astthorsson]

Ever see the SCA?
Youd see where Id discount fencing,mind Fencing is part of it,but we discount the guys who only do that
Trust me son,I know very well what a gorget is,I have 4 different ones
I know what a halbred is,
I own a bacinet
My son is named after the king of the Visigoths
I know more different styles then just about anyone i know,thats not being cocky,that just is
Your 19 years old and cocky
Im alot older
You try to discount me,but Ive spent my whole life abtaining martial knowledge,and guess what? Ive had longer to do it.
The origin of the white and the black belt.
Novices where handed white belts,over time they dirtied as they studied

You are joke. If this is what you've come up with after spending your whole life "abtaining" (not a word by the way) martial knowledge, then your age is a badge of shame.

You own a "halbred"? (another non-word) If you tell me you own a piano, am I to believe you are Art Tatum reborn? What the heck has ANY name you might have given your son have to do with anything? You know more styles than anyone you know of? What's the point? Want to get on the cover of a joke magazine like BLACK BELT? The origin of the black and white belt has nothing to do with the myth you perpetuate. The belt hierarchy was instated by Jigoro Kano as a way to help disseminate judo.

Chris Nagel is one of the most self-effacing people I have had the pleasure to observe on the internet, despite possessing a precocious boxing intellect. To attack him is just showing what a jackass you really are.

This is an old post, and I sure hope somebody already tore you a new A-hole somewhere else on the forum for being such a pompous turd.

[Chris Nagel]

Thanks Dadi. As you may have suspected, Trainer Monkey is no long an active part of this board. Eventually he started getting criticized for his comments and soon thereafter left of his own accord.

[WayneFlint]

Thanks for the Edwin Haislets e book, ive been looking for something like this for the last 3 years or so thanks alot guys

[Chris Nagel]

Thanks for the Edwin Haislets e book, ive been looking for something like this for the last 3 years or so thanks alot guys

You're welcome. It's a very good book, I refer to it often.

[Chris Nagel]

Easy Monkey, don't get me wrong I'm not shooting you down. You outta know that you're entitled to your opinions without worrying about what I think. I've been an objective enough not to accept things at face value, it's not too much learn what's out there, and to ask "Why?" I haven't criticized you, I've just put down what I know. Who's to say what's true and what really matters?

Cheer up, I'll give you a raincheck for a drink . No disrespect intended you just put the safety back on your halbred or bacinet back on safety before I have to take out my 9th dan dirty blackbelt and finish this mano y mano.

By the way your son's name is Al right? They did a special on the History Channel. And you're right I am Cocky, don't let that bother you, it's just further proof I have an opinion and enjoy a good joke.

[Trainer Monkey]

Easy Monkey, don't get me wrong I'm not shooting you down. You outta know that you're entitled to your opinions without worrying about what I think. I've been an objective enough not to accept things at face value, it's not too much learn what's out there, and to ask "Why?" I haven't criticized you, I've just put down what I know. Who's to say what's true and what really matters?

Cheer up, I'll give you a raincheck for a drink . No disrespect intended you just put the safety back on your halbred or bacinet back on safety before I have to take out my 9th dan dirty blackbelt and finish this mano y mano.

By the way your son's name is Al right? They did a special on the History Channel. And you're right I am Cocky, don't let that bother you, it's just further proof I have an opinion and enjoy a good joke.

Welp those are indeed my sons names first two letters
Funny I allways thought of myself as an intellectual
But Im allways studying a martial style,I can rarely think of a time when I wasnt
My aunt said to me recently"You must get that from your fathers side"

[Scrap]

Were not on about Bruce Again are we .

[Trainer Monkey]

Were not on about Bruce Again are we .

It was a blow by,were on to much more obscure things now

[Chris Nagel]

Well I don't consider myself intellectual, and anyways who doesn't have something to learn. If that was the case we'd all get busy dieing because if life is our textbook then after it must come our final exam. I wonder if God gives multiple choice because there's more than one route a person can go.

An ego makes people blind to other things out there, if we can't get past our egos then how are we to really learn, especially when it comes to learning from others where some humility is required. Now if you're a martial arts nut then you can appreciate this quote: "How can you expect to learn unless you first empty your own cup."

[Chris Nagel]

Were not on about Bruce Again are we .

I said that we shouldn't make a discussion out of it, now look what happened.