Chris it was 87 , 88, the skipping ive dicribed toe and heel at speed its hard to do you have to practice great for timing. The thing is at that level he boxed you have to be fit and sharp, over a long career I suppose you have lapsess in motivation depending on your make up. What I saw was someone going through the motions with a good work ethic, doing a bottle of whisky a day in the process. probably pissed while training Whatever he signed autograths for 2 hours one day without complainet once and had a smile for every photo that was took. When asked if he minded his reply was they have come a long way to meet me its the least I can do, to me thats class.