Definition of heart...

**Chris Nagel** · 06-20-2007 03:04 AM

A fighter that's well prepared and trusts in their abilities. Or summed up in one word, "Confidence."

That about covers heart. That better defines it more than, "ability to absorb loads of punishment"; although they sometimes go hand in hand.

**tedsares** · 06-20-2007 03:07 AM

Acelino Feitas.....

**sexydarin** · 06-20-2007 04:11 AM

Snatching a win from the jaws of defeat.

**El Gamo** · 06-20-2007 10:39 AM

Heart-imo,coming through adversity successfully. Adversity which would defeat someone without heart. The willingness of a fighter to make tremendous sacrifice during a bout to win whether it be fighting through pain(ie broken hands) or ability to absorb large amounts of punishment and still win OR put up a good showing. Merely getting beaten up does not constitute heart all the time imo..

Good thread though,so going by our definitions,did Zab show heart v Cotto?

**JonesJrMayweather** · 06-20-2007 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Heart-imo,coming through adversity successfully. Adversity which would defeat someone without heart. The willingness of a fighter to make tremendous sacrifice during a bout to win whether it be fighting through pain(ie broken hands) or ability to absorb large amounts of punishment and still win OR put up a good showing. Merely getting beaten up does not constitute heart all the time imo..

Good thread though,so going by our definitions,did Zab show heart v Cotto?

even though zab pounded his fist against his chest trying to imply that he had heart..i felt he didn't show any heart..he just got beat up...and was looking for the ref to give him the DQ...he should have gotten mad and beat cotto up if he felt like mercante was letting him get fouled...

now had he overcome the blood, the fouls, and cotto's heart, and fought to the end, then win or lose it would have been heart..but to get the victory makes it better...

**LegendBoxing65** · 06-20-2007 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

What your definition of a fighter having heart?

I know most will say or have been saying that Zab showed a lot of heart against cotto..and that gatti has heart....

but imo i think that gatti showed heart when he broke his hand against ward and kept fighting to a victory..but didn't show "heart" against mayweather because it was just stupid to stand there and constantly absorb punishment...

also i think roy jones showed "heart" in the first tarver fight to fight through tremendous amount of fatigue to the victory...

basically i don't think a fighter shows "heart" when he's doing nothing but absorbing punishment..like zab did...I think a fighter has to over come a major set back during the fight and fight through it win or lose to keep fighting despite the setback is what exemplifies "heart" to me..not to just constantly show that you can absorb punishment...

what do you guys think?

I think if a guy is taking punishment that is more heart than if a guy is taking punishment but dishing it out also. To take a beating and still hang in there is incredible if the fight looks out of reach. At that point a good referee should help the fighter out.

**JonesJrMayweather** · 06-20-2007 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

What your definition of a fighter having heart?

I know most will say or have been saying that Zab showed a lot of heart against cotto..and that gatti has heart....

but imo i think that gatti showed heart when he broke his hand against ward and kept fighting to a victory..but didn't show "heart" against mayweather because it was just stupid to stand there and constantly absorb punishment...

also i think roy jones showed "heart" in the first tarver fight to fight through tremendous amount of fatigue to the victory...

basically i don't think a fighter shows "heart" when he's doing nothing but absorbing punishment..like zab did...I think a fighter has to over come a major set back during the fight and fight through it win or lose to keep fighting despite the setback is what exemplifies "heart" to me..not to just constantly show that you can absorb punishment...

what do you guys think?

I think if a guy is taking punishment that is more heart than if a guy is taking punishment but dishing it out also. To take a beating and still hang in there is incredible if the fight looks out of reach. At that point a good referee should help the fighter out.

that's not heart that's stupid...gatti didn't show heart against mayweather he was stupid to stand there even though it was hopeless...to just get beat up isn't heart imo..it's just stupid

**LegendBoxing65** · 06-21-2007 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

What your definition of a fighter having heart?

I know most will say or have been saying that Zab showed a lot of heart against cotto..and that gatti has heart....

but imo i think that gatti showed heart when he broke his hand against ward and kept fighting to a victory..but didn't show "heart" against mayweather because it was just stupid to stand there and constantly absorb punishment...

also i think roy jones showed "heart" in the first tarver fight to fight through tremendous amount of fatigue to the victory...

basically i don't think a fighter shows "heart" when he's doing nothing but absorbing punishment..like zab did...I think a fighter has to over come a major set back during the fight and fight through it win or lose to keep fighting despite the setback is what exemplifies "heart" to me..not to just constantly show that you can absorb punishment...

what do you guys think?

I think if a guy is taking punishment that is more heart than if a guy is taking punishment but dishing it out also. To take a beating and still hang in there is incredible if the fight looks out of reach. At that point a good referee should help the fighter out.

that's not heart that's stupid...gatti didn't show heart against mayweather he was stupid to stand there even though it was hopeless...to just get beat up isn't heart imo..it's just stupid

Maybe it is stupid, but if a fighter just quits people call him a quitter and it ruins his reputation. They hang in there because there is probably hope in their hearts that the opponent who is dishing out the beating will get tired and a punch will land which in turn wins them the fight.

**Scrap** · 06-21-2007 11:07 AM

Losers have heart Winners have bottle

**LegendBoxing65** · 06-21-2007 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Scrap

Losers have heart Winners have bottle

heart is something hard to figure out. You have guys like Duran who seem to have heart but if you look at his career whenever he took a beating he kept on taking a beating. I think a guy who has heart is a guy like Corrales or Gatti. Guys who were taking beatings and summoned up courage and came back to win. Anyone can be a bully and win a fight by overpowering like Duran did, yet then be overwhelmed by the good fighters and make excuses after. But to be losing and get the energy to land punches when it all looks like it is over is heart.